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Changes in Sub. S-hldr's Int (Section 138 of CA 2016)
ICAPITAL.BIZ BERHAD
Particulars of substantial Securities Holder
Name CITY OF LONDON INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT COMPANY LIMITED Address 77 Gracechurch Street London EC3V 0AS United Kingdom. Company No. 2851236 Nationality/Country of incorporation United Kingdom Descriptions (Class) Ordinary Shares
Details of changes
No Date of change No of securities Type of Transaction Nature of Interest 1 30 Oct 2019 65,000 Acquired Indirect Interest Name of registered holder Cartaban Nominees (Asing) Sdn Bhd Address of registered holder Mezzanine Floor, 30, Jalan Sultan Ismail, 50250 Kuala Lumpur. Favour: RBC Description of "Others" Type of Transaction
Circumstances by reason of which change has occurred Open Market Purchase Nature of interest Indirect Interest Direct (units) Direct (%) Indirect/deemed interest (units) 28,316,200 Indirect/deemed interest (%) 20.226 Total no of securities after change 28,316,200 Date of notice 30 Oct 2019 Date notice received by Listed Issuer 30 Oct 2019
Remarks : The shares are held as follows:- (1) DB (Malaysia) Nominee (Asing) Sdn Bhd - Favour: The Bank of New York Mellon - 24,332,900; (2) HSBC Nominees (Asing) Sdn Bhd - Favour: Northern Trust - 2,892,800; and (3) Cartaban Nominees (Asing) Sdn Bhd - Favour: RBC - 1,090,500.
Changes in Sub. S-hldr's Int (Section 138 of CA 2016)
ICAPITAL.BIZ BERHAD
Particulars of substantial Securities Holder
Name CITY OF LONDON INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT COMPANY LIMITED Address 77 Gracechurch Street London EC3V 0AS United Kingdom. Company No. 2851236 Nationality/Country of incorporation United Kingdom Descriptions (Class) Ordinary Shares
Details of changes
No Date of change No of securities Type of Transaction Nature of Interest 1 30 Oct 2019 65,000 Acquired Indirect Interest Name of registered holder Cartaban Nominees (Asing) Sdn Bhd Address of registered holder Mezzanine Floor, 30, Jalan Sultan Ismail, 50250 Kuala Lumpur. Favour: RBC Description of "Others" Type of Transaction
Circumstances by reason of which change has occurred Open Market Purchase Nature of interest Indirect Interest Direct (units) Direct (%) Indirect/deemed interest (units) 28,316,200 Indirect/deemed interest (%) 20.226 Total no of securities after change 28,316,200 Date of notice 30 Oct 2019 Date notice received by Listed Issuer 30 Oct 2019
Remarks : The shares are held as follows:- (1) DB (Malaysia) Nominee (Asing) Sdn Bhd - Favour: The Bank of New York Mellon - 24,332,900; (2) HSBC Nominees (Asing) Sdn Bhd - Favour: Northern Trust - 2,892,800; and (3) Cartaban Nominees (Asing) Sdn Bhd - Favour: RBC - 1,090,500.
I oredi got said mani times London tak bolih tahan seeing our Malaysian beautiful ICap. I think London will keep on wallop our beautiful ICap until London succeed taking ICap back to UK !
Cheoky, when you mentioned ICAP has underperforming "your figureless ETF" for the past 5 years, where you get the date from? any reliable sources to refer to. if not, let me bring you to page 4 of ICAP 2019 AR. Its stated clearly that from 4 Jul 2014 to 31 May 2019 (around 5 years), ICAP NAV appreciated about 5% and its share price decreased by 2.81%, while during the same period, KLCI lost around 13%. If this is the “5 years underperforming” that you meant to, it proved you are a LIER and fail your mathematics study. i feel sad for your kindergarten teacher anyway. if you are not using klci, do provide me a valid example and figure, don’t copy and paste text here and there.
There is this funny story i read ytd night. A businessman went to the mountain to buy monkeys for $100 each. The villagers caught a few and sold them for a profit. The businessman then raised the price to $200, and the whole village went to catch the monkey. The monkey was hard to catch now. He raised the price again to $500, but there were no monkeys left. Few days later, businessman's assistant sneaked back to the village and sold a monkey for $300 each, which was snapped up by every villager. They all are now waiting for the businessman who never comes again. You think that you are the villager but who know, you’re just the monkey.
@ahbah why is it his responsibility to protect the poor / novice / retail investors' interest? Especially when some poor / novice / retail investors' rather heed stockraider's baseless claims?
______________________________________________________________________________ ahbah "I am invested for the long term aiming to build wealth over the long term through long term compounding. I will vote for icap.biz fund tenure to be renewed next AGM for my own selfish reasons."
Sifu 3iii will vote for icap.biz fund tenure to be renewed next AGM BASED ON HIS OWN SELFISH REASONS ONLY - NOT BASED ON PROTECTING THE POOR / NOVICE / RETAIL INVESTORS' INTEREST LIKE ahbah.
ahbah, resolution for liquidation only come in 2025, not 2020 - please refer back to icap prospectus, and there is many comments up there explained this as well see, you proved you're a monkey again referring to evelyn11 comment, you will get 20% return only in 5 years later, equivalent to average 4% per year. you better invest your money in fd, don't cone people here
@ahbah I showed you Berkshire Hathaway Class A and S&P500 annualized and moving 5-year compounded annual growth rate from 1976 to 2018. Even on an annual basis, Warren Buffett underperformed the market based on you people's "alpha" calculation. BRK.A underperformed the market for 11 years. Still, over 42 years, $1 invested in BRK.A grows into $3,416 while S&P500 would grow only from $1 to $26. Notice in most periods, BRK.A grows / outperform when the benchmark declines (1977, 1978, 1982, 1988, 2001, 2002) and it does not matter for BRK.A that much a single year of decline since they are long-term investor that will render the annual book loss irrelevant. The key here like @JohnDough mentioned, do not lose money.
Now let's look at the 5-yr moving CAGR, realize how there is suddenly only one year that you will experience a down year in 2012? In contrast, you would experience seven down years with S&P500 (2003, 2004, 2005, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012)? Notice how these periods extend from an initial phase of euphoric market speculation? Notice how BRK.A now only underperformed the market in three years (1999, 2000, 2015)? According to stockraider's logic, BRK.A is trash in 2003, 2005, 2009, 2011, 2012? How much would I have made on a CAGR basis if I invested in BRK.A in these periods until end of 2018? 2003: 10%; 2005: 10%; 10.9%; 2011: 14%; 2012: 17.6%. I will miss out on all these gains just because at one particular 5-year period, someone like stockraider tells me BRK.A is trash. For your information, icap NAV's moving 5-year CAGR stood up considerably well despite the plunge in KLCI. Think about it another way, you sell icap at RM2.80 at the end of 2017, the peak of icap share price. Then, you listened to stockraider, bought Heng Yuan at RM15.00 waiting for it to reach RM35 - RM45. Today, you will have ~RM0.80 for yourself.
The point is to have a long-term vision, discipline and trust in the right person. I am not saying TTB is the best but I am definitely more inclined to trust him and 3iii than stockraider.
@ahbah I am fairly amazed how you can understand stockraider's long and inaccurate posts but not 3iii and my posts that are more factual. Please don't view me as selfish if you intend to when you are not interested in helping yourself. 3iii and me are generous enough this time.
@ahbah if you follow through my comments and 3iii's comments properly, we did not intend to protect / defend icap. We were merely stating the facts as well as experiences of other super-investors so that people are not deceived by stockraider. Please be objective.
@ahbah you ignore Quincy's post simply because you think it is long and complex, not because it is right or wrong, that's amazing!
I can do you a favor by summarizing Quincy's main point: Berkshire Hathaway underperformed the market for 11 years. Still, over 42 years, $1 invested in BRK.A grows into $3,416 while S&P500 would grow only from $1 to $26. The main reason is that for a long-term investor, some annual underperformance is not relevant, the key is: do not lose money.
Posted by ahbah > 31/10/2019 12:34 PM | Report Abuse I thank U for stating the facts. Please state your facts "short n simple" so that all including novice investors got understand your facts lah. ................................................................................................................................
If London comes rescue full force,I will assist 100%. Gods help those who helps themselves. I help him, he helps me earn an artibrage. Holders get realized value.
Only losing is poor manager lose its fee generated from holders FD.
In investment, you are only as good as your next decision making. Want long term buy index fund. Buy asn.
Crybertropper rmb find a new employer. Reckoning coming maybe sooner then expected oh....Rumors that your current employer is eccentric and oppressive on its workers. Rumor I heard from his ex workers la. Maybe I heard wrongly. If it is real then post reckoning, it is good to stop it la.
Search for Areca equityTrust Fund fact sheet. And make comparison....
I personally am uncomfortable with the fund you recommended – look at what is in the top 5 holdings, this tells me how the FM thinks – it may suit some people, but it does not suit me. Also, it charges a bomb (1.9% mgmt. fee plus 2 to 4.5% entry fee) and the fund is a lot smaller (<RM100 mln) than ICAP.
As I said – safe, transparent, perform – the three needs to come together, and most important of all, integrity. To repeat – to make wealth, one must not lose it first. Those that have been with ICAP since inception has done well – 9% compound return, safe (value investing with no derivatives, borrowing etc), low mgmt. fee, zero entry/performance fee, transparent reporting.
When you are placing your life savings with someone, trust in who you place your money with matters a lot – in a way, it matters the most. This is perhaps what ahbah, stockraider, stkstudent, cheoky etc. do not understand.
Like 3iii said, the proof is in the pudding – every year at AGM London has failed, and support for TTB is huge. This is perhaps what you are all most salty with. Jealousy is unhealthy.
Same same. I listen to ex worker. You listen to monkey. 2020 is gonna be a drama year for monkey. I look forward for monkey crossing london bridge safely. Dont fall down ya. We argue here till dawn useless la. Wait smart money outsmart monkey. If he can, i will ride on it. If u under monkey paycheck rmb monkey story oh. The boss might not come back and you might holding rm500 monkey and find no buyer oh. Or you are the monkey itself?
"When you are placing your life savings with someone, trust in who you place your money with matters a lot – in a way, it matters the most. This is perhaps what ahbah, stockraider, stkstudent, cheoky etc. do not understand."
When Icap make money n give me money, then I sure trust ICap lah.
When ICap make money, whose gaji got naik ? I got nothing lah !
If you are holding the stock since inception, you should be making money. How come you got nothing? Did you own any share to begin with?
At one point, you say ICAP has great NAV and London is drooling ... blah blah blah,, then you say you get nothing... what are you talking about?
ahbah "ttb did grow the NAV from RM 1 to RM 3.21 + 9sen paid dividends. No complains from some of those who have been long term invested in this fund."
Great NAV ! Congratulations to ttb n co. London came, saw n their mouth salivate. Now London want to eat Rm 3.21. I also want a share of it !
Not very good analysis loh....it should be measure this way loh..!!
"THE EXISTING SHAREHOLDERS AS AT TODAY 1-11-2019 ARE THEY MAJORITY MAKING MONIES OR LOSING MONIES LEH ??"
BASED ON PROMINENT PROFESSOR FEED BACK THERE ARE MUCH MORE LOSERS THAN WINNER FOR ICAP SHAREHOLDER LOH....!!
Posted by ahteck85 > Nov 1, 2019 11:58 AM | Report Abuse
If you are holding the stock since inception, you should be making money. How come you got nothing? Did you own any share to begin with?
At one point, you say ICAP has great NAV and London is drooling ... blah blah blah,, then you say you get nothing... what are you talking about?
ahbah "ttb did grow the NAV from RM 1 to RM 3.21 + 9sen paid dividends. No complains from some of those who have been long term invested in this fund."
Great NAV ! Congratulations to ttb n co. London came, saw n their mouth salivate. Now London want to eat Rm 3.21. I also want a share of it !
THATS WHY IT IS MUCH MORE VALUABLE FOR ICAP TO BE DEAD THAN ALIVE, IN ORDER TO END THE SUFFERING OF THE MAJORITY OF ICAP SHAREHOLDERS...!!
THE MAJORITY OF ICAP SHAREHOLDERS SHOULD JOIN LONDON TO CLOSE DOWN ICAP IN 2020 LOH.....!!
THEY AT LEAST GET A 30% GAIN LOH....!!
Posted by stockraider > Nov 1, 2019 12:03 PM | Report Abuse X
Not very good analysis loh....it should be measure this way loh..!!
"THE EXISTING SHAREHOLDERS AS AT TODAY 1-11-2019 ARE THEY MAJORITY MAKING MONIES OR LOSING MONIES LEH ??"
BASED ON PROMINENT PROFESSOR FEED BACK THERE ARE MUCH MORE LOSERS THAN WINNER FOR ICAP SHAREHOLDER LOH....!!
Posted by ahteck85 > Nov 1, 2019 11:58 AM | Report Abuse
If you are holding the stock since inception, you should be making money. How come you got nothing? Did you own any share to begin with?
At one point, you say ICAP has great NAV and London is drooling ... blah blah blah,, then you say you get nothing... what are you talking about?
ahbah "ttb did grow the NAV from RM 1 to RM 3.21 + 9sen paid dividends. No complains from some of those who have been long term invested in this fund."
Great NAV ! Congratulations to ttb n co. London came, saw n their mouth salivate. Now London want to eat Rm 3.21. I also want a share of it !
i copy your pattern a stockraider: YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THIS SOHAI STOCKRAIDER TALK? HE GO TO ANY FORUM HIS COMMENTS EITHER KENA FLAGGED OR REMOVED. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ONLY THIS FORUM. HE GOT 31 COMMENTS FLAGGED AND 38 COMMENTS REMOVED IN ONE MONTH. ONE MONTH ONLY YOU KNOW LOL. LET ME SHOW YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF HIS "GLORIOUS" PAST.
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IN ONE DAY 7 OF HIS COMMENTS KENA REMOVED. I WONDER WHY?
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Oct 9, 2019 9:54 AM | Report Abuse
Please think rationally loh....!!
Yes calvin is one of the biggest and one of the most important contributor in i3 mah...!!
If i3 members think calvin is useless......the simple solution is just ignore him loh.....but why alot i3 members spend thousands of hours and thousand of pages attacking calvin leh ??
THE REST IS BLAH BLAH BLAH
"If i3 members think calvin is useless......the simple solution is just ignore him loh.....but why alot i3 members spend thousands of hours and thousand of pages attacking calvin leh ??"
LET ME REPHRASE ABIT. NAH YOUR WORDS NOT MINE: If i3 members think icap is useless......the simple solution is just ignore him loh.....but why alot i3 members spend thousands of hours and thousand of pages attacking icap leh ??
"LET ME REPHRASE ABIT. NAH YOUR WORDS NOT MINE: If i3 members think icap is useless......the simple solution is just ignore him loh.....but why alot i3 members spend thousands of hours and thousand of pages attacking icap leh ?? "
I no think icap is useless. I think icap now is so very attractive even London from UK so very far away from Malaysia no got able to ignore our stunning icap now !
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Posted by ahhuat56 > 2019-10-30 18:51 | Report Abuse
ahbah your identity has been exposed, game over, stop humiliating yourself here.