Actually if u are rich n have lots of bullets, it's very easy to be a long term value investor....

Price drops more u buy more u scare the Co can close shop meh (unless u r very cute very innocent very soi u bought Aokam or Serbak or Xinquan etc lah)

Or else just buy n hold for 10 years or 20 years or 50 years or 100 years (say for Harta' case etc etc)...

Why worry leh?

Deja Vu???

If my memory is correct....

Philip's Pchem V1.0
Started to buy Pchem at Rm7-RM8+ during 2019/early 2020....then price plunged all the way to RM4+ during Mac/Apr 2020, then Philip used his unlimited funds (some of the money fm the sales of his in law's PB Bank n his Topglove) to average down his cost to the current RM6.00+. Since then price rebound to Rm10+ n Philip was very very happy for the last 2 years+....

That was the history....

Now, could it be the beginning of Philip's Pchem V2.0 now? Will price drops lower to RM5+ or even RM4+ in the coming months? Will Philip buy then to average down his cost to RM5+ or even lower.....n then happily wait for the rebound, just like V1.0???

Dont worry lah if Pchem continue to plunge Philip will buy more....He is a real long term value investor unlike most of u here

Warren Buffett has unlimited bullets fm his insurance company while Philip has unlimited funds from his rich in law n wife....

Drops more buy more lah...U think Pchem will close shop meh???

Still got 2m+ paper profit as buffer....

Unless it drops another 60 cents more lah

Wah Philip's paper gain in Pchem evaporated very fast this few days...

Again, long term value investors never scare never lut on this kind of short term price movement....unlike u guys short term traders

Only God n insiders will know....lol

The Esos price of rm2.55 seems to be a strong support for the last 2 years+.

However, the coming Q results will tell n decide future price movement

I panic bought at 3.00+....its ridiculous...ex div 0.21= rm2.80+ only

touch 2.98....quite a sharp drop of 47 cents..

At this level of RM3.00+, after ex div of 21 cents = RM2.80+...quite close to their ESOS level of 2.55...should be quite safe for now

Then depends on their coming Q results

Div 0.21...also worse than my expectation...

Forex loss rm13m+ in Q4...worse than my expectation

I think they also have free toilet papers

Time for Koon to do a stem cell treatment for alzheimer

Anyway, Harta has never ever posted any Q with losses since their day 1 in Bursa.

Seems it will be a new normal (Q or yearly losses) now. Get used to it.

But fm now to the next 10 to 20 years?

Let's c loh

Posted by YourQuirkyWays29 > 6 minutes ago | Report Abuse

CharlesT, are you saying Harta was dying before the previous pandemic? Not everyone is waiting for windfall.

Dude, the game changer now is China....prior to 2020 China is only a small player...

Glove Co in Msia enjoyed a good 20 golden years prior to that

Fatty Liew boh tai chi ah?

I think Q4 likely to be so so, with lower sales....likely to see millions RM of Forex Loss too

How much is their current plant utilization rate?

50%?

If only the next Pandemic happens earlier, not 100 years later

But be careful of what u wished loh

Seriously, U think Harta will close shop in the next few years meh?

With net cash of Rm1B+ in their hands, even if every Q they lose RM30M to RM40M or abt RM150M+ a year also can last for many many years lah

If u are a long term investor like Philip, even share price drops 50% fm yr average price also no worry no sweat and can always sleep well at night

Thats' the beauty of long term investment.

Posted by Philip ( buy what you understand) > 2022-08-29 15:40 | Report Abuse

As you already know by now, I always buy with a 5-10 year outlook on the long term viability of the business. Kid max say 6 years, harta say 2 years. I say harta is still flush with cash, still profitable, no chance of bankruptcy on the horizon. So my expectation of investment of 3 years is more than enough to wait, as I am enjoying dividends every quarter anyway. The question to ask is 3 years from now do you you can still buy harta at 1.6?

Posted by MG9231 > 6 hours ago | Report Abuse

Well said Charles T, happy new year to you

Same to you MG9231...nowadays hard to see old timer here

U invest in ICAP then TTB invest in FD....

He gets RM6M+ fee in return every year n u get free Angpao package n annual investment forum in return.

Win Win situation n everybody is happy

If u are looking for highest FD interest then ICAP is the right choice. U put yr money in ICAP n TTB will help you to invest in the highest FD in town.

TTB is an expert in FD Investment as he has more than 10 years experience in so.....

Lousy counter

Why the Boss is so generous leh?

Risk Trader

The balance of 70% will be subscribe by major shareholder....

NOPE. They didnt subscribe so.

On behalf of Industronics, TA Securities wishes to announce that as at the close of acceptance, excess application and payment for the Rights Issue at 5.00 p.m. on 11 January 2023 (“Closing Date”), the Company has received valid acceptances and excess applications for a total of 270,058,985 Rights Shares, representing a subscription rate of 30.86% over the total number of Rights Shares available for subscription under the Rights Issue.

The minimum subscription level for the Rights Issue had been achieved notwithstanding the under-subscription for the Rights Issue.

The total number of excess Rights Shares available for allocation is 742,090,073. In view that the total number of excess Rights Shares applied for was 137,088,510, the Board has decided to allot the excess Rights Shares to all the entitled shareholders and/or their renouncee(s)/transferee(s) who have applied for the excess Rights Shares

RI seriously undersubscribed....only abt 30%

Is his Sifu the famous Dr.Edwin?

So many loyal shareholders r paying RM7M+ a year to TTB for helping to invest lots of their money in FD for years

2023 will be better for sure, after picking 2 banking stocks....

Unlikely to see losses of 20% to 30% like last 2 years

But our aim is to make money....not to see less losses

Posted by stockraider > 26 seconds ago | Report Abuse

Put it this way , if u measure from base yr 2013 at Rm 204k- The performance is consider good loh!

No one will argue on that, even Philip.....

But what's next? After a 3 consecutive years of losses.....will it become a new long term down trend?

What is going wrong with Sifu?

Fengsui no good?

Koon Bee no more?

Karma no good?

From a very concerned poor RM1k subscriber who dont hv good income fm remote Sabah or remote Indonesia and hands stop mouth stop one.....

2013 - 104% ROI - My total value is now RM 204,000.00.
2014 - 61% ROI - My total value is now RM 328,440.00.
2015 - 129% ROI - My total value is now RM 752,128.00.
2016 - 22% ROI - My total value is now RM 917,596.00.
2017 - 87% ROI - My total value is now 1,715,904.50.
2018 - (42%) ROI - My total value is now 995,224.60.
2019 - 175% ROI - My total value is now 2,736,867.60.

2020 (0.26%) ROI - total value is now 2,729,751.74
2021 (27%) ROI - total value is now 1,922,718.77
2022 (35%) - total value is now 1,295,767.20

Packaging Co not so sexy

Posted by rr88 > 15 minutes ago | Report Abuse

Turun balik 0.42.
Later below 0.40.

I hope yr half past 6 TA prediction really work this round ...lol

OTB plays safe this year by picking 2 banks.

Many bought Harta at rm10+ happily during End 2020/Early 2021 after a hefty 50% plunge fm its peak of rm20+ in Aug 2020.

It plunged another 50% in 2021.

Again, many bought happily at RM5+ during End Dec 2021/Early 2022

Then it plunged another 60% in 2022.

Again many bought happily at rm1.70+ during End 2022/Early 2023 n how it goes......

At current price of Rm1.70+, it has dropped more than 90% fm it's peak of RM20+ in 2020.

TQ

Many bought Harta at rm10+ during early 2021 happily after a hefty 50% plunge fm its peak of rm20+ in Aug 2020.

It plunged another 50% in 2021.

Then many bought happily at RM5+ during early 2022 n ops it drops another 60% in 2022.

Again many bought cheap cheap happily at rm1.70+ at early 2023 n how it goes.

The faster it spreads in China, the faster it will be over

The rest of the world went thru the same cycle

I will certainly buy some to support for TTB's retirement then

When can the shareholders hv the chance to decide whether to dissolve the funds or not? 2023 or 2024?

Mensiasoikan the Tans

ICAP's sustained performance, whether in terms of share price or NAV, is not a fluke shot. Take a look at the share price of Malayan Banking. On 19 Oct 2005, Maybank closed at RM8.26. By Nov 2022 or 17 years later, Maybank's share price has hardly moved.

TTB has the thickest face skin in our local stock mkt

Not sure if my above statement is sarcasm or compliments......

By making tens of thousand USD a month fm remote Indonesia, SSLee certainly afford to have this hobby

He is the first of such rare species I have seen in Bursa, hopefully he will not be the last.