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2021-08-26 15:54 | Report Abuse
You Reap What You Sow, If You Think Of Slander Others
Serba Dinamik Holdings Bhd (Serba Dinamik) is putting to test the wisdom of renowned Chinese philosopher Lao Tzu – the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step – by battling the odds to achieve solid revival in the days ahead.
Serba Dinamik has initiated a legal action against the owner and operator of KLSE Screener for publishing false and defamatory comments posted by a user account impersonating its head honcho.
Serba Dinamik is also monitoring several other platforms and will initiate similar legal actions against them in due course if they continue to publish falsehood or defamatory information against the company.
This comes to light after Serba Dinamik taken legal action against its external auditor KPMG, claiming for substantial damages for alleged negligence and breaching contractual and statutory duties.
Some readers at forum.lowyat.net, read here, said that Serba Dinamik is in 'butthurt syndrome' when the company sued KLSE Screener. However, everybody will take the same action when their company have been slandered with accusation that lead to drop of huge share price, tarnished the company's reputation and downgraded of international rating.
Quoted blog nuclearmanbursa, read here, stated that,
Notice how in the early days when the Serba Dinamik issue first propped up, there were a lot of rumblings on chat sites on the emergence of a new shareholder and that a new management was about to come in. Notice how, most of that mummers have now been deleted.
As we at Depa Katalah said earlier, Serba Dinamik is on the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step to reveal the insidious hands operating against the company. Serba Dinamik cannot stop the public from badmouthing the company, but they can take action to anybody who has cross the line.
https://depakatalah.blogspot.com/2021/08/you-reap-what-you-sow-if-you-think-of.html
2021-08-26 12:28 | Report Abuse
PPIM?
Not a good move to get endorsement from that NGO actually.
Posted by thor85 > Aug 26, 2021 11:43 AM | Report Abuse
Ppim already told before about this thing. I believe in Ppim so I follow their suggestions to buy and support serba.
2021-08-26 11:34 | Report Abuse
We can see some of them in here too.
Heee
Bisnes
Wujud ‘tangan ghaib’ nak sabotaj Serba Dinamik, portal
Sebuah portal mengesyaki terdapat kolaborasi di antara beberapa pihak dalam usaha mensabotaj syarikat perkhidmatan minyak dan gas, Serba Dinamik Holdings Bhd.
Portal Sarawak Kini mengesyaki demikian berikutan tindakan undang-undang yang diambil oleh Serba Dinamik ke atas platform bincang saham, KLSE Screener.
“Terdapat posting di dalam ruang bincang KLSE Screener yang meragukan dan seolah-olah disumbang oleh tangan ghaib yang bertindak mensabotaj kepentingan Serba Dinamik,” kata portai itu.
Isnin lalu, Serba Dinamik dan Pengarah Urusan Kumpulan dan Ketua Pegawai Eksekutifnya (CEO) Datuk Dr Mohd Abdul Karim Abdullah memulakan tindakan undang-undang ke atas pemilik dan operator KLSE Screener.
Mereka memperoleh injunksi ad interim terhadap dakwaan penerbitan komen palsu dan fitnah yang disiarkan menerusi akaun pengguna yang menyamar sebagai CEO Serba Dinamik.
Sarawak Kini berkata dalam laporannya hari ini: “tindakan (pensabotaj) ini mungkin untuk mengenakan kerosakan teruk ke atas Serba Dinamik sebelum mereka ini ambil langkah untuk menguasai syarikat itu.
“Tindakan terbaru mereka ialah untuk mendapatkan pembabitan sebuah agensi penarafan antarabangsa.”
Artikel berkaitan: Penurunan penarafan Serba Dinamik hanya sementara pemilik yakin
Selain KLSE Screener, menurut Serba Dinamik beberapa platform lain juga dipantau syraikat itu dan tindakan undang-undang akan diambil terhadap mereka, jika didapati menyebar berita palsu dan menabur fitnah.
Artikel berkaitan: Serba Dinamik ambil tindakan undang-undang ke atas portal saham
https://updatesmalaysia.com/wujud-tangan-ghaib-nak-sabotaj-serba-dinamik-portal/
2021-08-25 20:09 | Report Abuse
The news on SIR or any other news?
Posted by InterFund > Aug 25, 2021 7:46 PM | Report Abuse
When is the news...........
2021-08-25 18:05 | Report Abuse
https://dagangnews.com/serba-dinamik-beri-impak-besar-dalam-bidang-keselamatan-siber-menerusi-espc-8527
Another good business news done by SD
Tomorrow will be another good business day i think
2021-08-25 12:51 | Report Abuse
How fast is that 'soon'?
End of this month?
If yes, then it is good to HODL
Posted by anemon > Aug 25, 2021 12:06 PM | Report Abuse
BUY CALL now, Good news coming, heard the External Auditor report coming out soon.
2021-08-25 12:46 | Report Abuse
Such a great performance at 1st half of today.
Really meet Public Bank's prediction, the target price of 0.44
Always trust Public Bank
2021-08-24 15:10 | Report Abuse
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Serba obtains interim injunction against KLSE Screener for defamation
By FocusM
4 hours ago
in Markets, Top
FOLLOWING its recent decision to initiate legal action against the owner and operator of KLSE Screener, Serba Dinamik Holdings Bhd has won an order for interim injunction against the online stock market forum. The injunction was made over a user comment posted on the klsescreener.com portal.
The order for interim injunction was sought ex-parte by the global integrated oil & gas (O&G) outfit and its group managing director and CEO Datuk Dr Mohd Abdul Karim Abdullah against Lim Kai Yang, the owner and operator of the portal, who conducts his business under the name Neobie Enterprise.
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The ex-parte interim injunction order that was granted by the court on July 27 and extended on Aug 5 serves to restrain the website or its agents or representative, from any publication of false comments by any account impersonating Serba Dinamik’s CEO.
Datuk Dr Mohd Abdul Karim
It was reported yesterday (Aug 23) that a user account which goes by the name “Dato’ Mohd Karim” had posted a comment on the website that led to unwanted speculations on Serba Dinamik’s share price.
Henceforth, the interim injunction was important to stop further dissemination of injurious words against the company, according to Serba Dinamik’s chairman Datuk Mohamed Ilyas.
“The company views such impersonation and publication of false comments as serious offences against the company and its CEO,” he pointed out.
“These false comments have created unwanted speculations on Serba Dinamik Holdings which jeopardizes and destroys the goodwill and reputation of the company as well as that of Abdul Karim.”
Mohamed Ilyas further noted that Serba Dinamik will continue to monitor several other platforms and necessary legal actions will be taken in due course if any false and defamatory information is made against the company.
The application for injunction was obtained on the ground that the statement published on klsescreener.com were false, defamatory and had tarnished Serba Dinamik and its group’s CEO reputation locally as well as internationally.
The inter parte hearing of the injunction is set on Oct 15.
“This application for injunction order is by Serba Dinamik is a right step to make it clear to the public that the company does not tolerate any statement that is untrue or intended to harm the company as well as the reputation of its officers,” opined a commercial lawyer who spoke on condition of anonymity.
“Serba Dinamik’s proactive approach on the issue by closely monitoring any publication that relates to them indicates good company governance and awareness of its legal rights. The public must be made aware about the consequences of making a defamatory or false statement against others whether in personal capacity or in a public setting.”
At 10am, Serba Dinamik was down 0.5 sen or 1.2% to 41 sen with 7.6 million shares traded, thus valuing the company at RM1.53 bil. – Aug 24, 2021
2021-08-24 13:53 | Report Abuse
2nd half start with green.
Will still playing within the range
2021-08-24 12:08 | Report Abuse
No Najib anymore please
I think Datuk Jo is good for Finance Minister
Posted by RJ87 > Aug 24, 2021 11:37 AM | Report Abuse
Hahaahha…the one that stole 2.6B as finance minister.
Then we can worm our way out of malaysia dy. Give another 50 years. Malaysia will be the taliban of the east.
==========================
pearlwhite .
The presentation of the new cabinet to Agong will happen tomorrow.
And the swearing in will be held at istana Negara on Friday.
Who would be in the cabinet? Here are some hints (please ignore what is being circulated). I will highlight only 2 important ones : Finance Minister and "Covid" Minister.
Please do not question why and accept and move on. Immediate continuation of work for existing projects (covid) and Finances are No. 1 priority.
1) Finance Minister - Najib Razak or Hishamuddin
2) Covid Minister - Khairy J
2021-08-24 11:24 | Report Abuse
Nice.
Thanks for sharing the tips.
Posted by RJ87 > Aug 24, 2021 10:50 AM | Report Abuse
Go buy armada la...Solid profit from now on.
No hanky panky anymore at PE5.
2021-08-23 22:11 | Report Abuse
The best plot twist is if screener also sue that Uncle who disguise as Karim.
Hihi
Posted by Stockisnotfun > Aug 23, 2021 9:47 PM | Report Abuse
Lets see what's the reply from klsescreener
2021-08-23 13:39 | Report Abuse
MOF also suing KPMG.
So, MOF also at fault?
And how about many other companies that are suing KPMG around the world?
Posted by RJ87 > Aug 23, 2021 1:23 PM | Report Abuse
if they drag their feet on appointing SIR. Waste their time and resources to sue KPMG. Replace KPMG with actual shot lot auditor. What does it tell u?
No man standing straight do shit like this. You over-leverage, and market call ur bluff.
Time to go down.
2021-08-23 13:18 | Report Abuse
Just wait and see when the SIR from EY come out.
Let see if those EPF, PNB or other big GLC will buy or sell later.
Posted by RJ87 > Aug 23, 2021 1:15 PM | Report Abuse
Tunggu EPF and PNB habis jual. Kasi suspend je la sehingga 3 stooges dipecat.
Klu tak, Sapura jadi nya. CEO senggal, ambik gaji buta.
suprnoob suspension coming aaahh? sure or nottt?
23/08/2021 12:37 PM
2021-08-23 13:14 | Report Abuse
Agree on this.
Hahaha. Suddenly remember the song - Who lets the dog out? Hoo hoo hoo
Posted by Stockisnotfun > Aug 23, 2021 1:10 PM | Report Abuse
Usually the one who did something wrong bark the loudest. Never fail to disappoint me.
2021-08-23 13:02 | Report Abuse
I really confuse now.
Are you the top fan of Karem or just teasing the fan of Karem?
Hahaha
Posted by DannyArcher > Aug 23, 2021 12:15 PM | Report Abuse
Karim is the best CEO in the world.
Karim is innocent.
Karim is a hardworking person.
Serba is the best O&G co in the world.
2021-08-20 14:03 | Report Abuse
The SIR still need some coordination with the KPMG too.
Maybe that is the reason.
However, hope they can settle in very soon.
Don't be too late
Posted by cn21 > Aug 20, 2021 1:58 PM | Report Abuse
SIR (special independent review).....why take so long??.....SIR is NOT full audit....... Why all I.Directors resign?......Why Rating agency downgrade SD?......Why KWSP sold their shares?...... The above mentioned professionals have better access to SD accounts than most of the retail investors in this forum.....right?
2021-08-19 19:50 | Report Abuse
With just only 1mil ++ trading volumes, really show that many are buying insas now.
Better queue to buy now.
It will up again soon
2021-08-19 19:48 | Report Abuse
Such a high liabilities they have.
AA need drastic plan to handle this
Posted by PSAi3alert > Aug 19, 2021 1:59 PM | Report Abuse
As of Mar 2021, AA's liabilities were:
Lease liabilities _____ RM12.5 billion (includes deferred aircraft leases, aka defaulted lease payments, of approximately RM1.8 billion)
Sales in advance ___ RM908,448M
Other payables ____ RM111.1M
Borrowings ________ 1,136.1M
When MYR depreciates against USD, the lease liabilities will increase further.
PN17 AirAsia (Underperform, TP: RM0.19). (The Edge)
19/08/2021 1:29 PM
2021-08-19 19:46 | Report Abuse
Yes. Agree on this.
Everyone waiting for it actually
Posted by wolfbroker > Aug 19, 2021 6:14 PM | Report Abuse
With the current progress done by Serba, appointing new good committees, new management, plus with new business coming in, actually they are doing quite well too.
The only thing that will boost up their price later, will be the outcome from EY.
It will give huge impact. Everyone know this
2021-08-19 19:45 | Report Abuse
This ratings will change if the EY report is good later.
Believe me
Posted by Vicky > Aug 19, 2021 7:16 PM | Report Abuse
Now Pak Karim must know this; https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sp-downgrades-serba-dinamiks-ra.... It is time to come out with the accounts so that Serba can sail again. More bad news will continue to bash down the stock price if continue to delay and procastination.
2021-08-18 19:47 | Report Abuse
By friday, maybe will be a big buying once the news come out from istana
Stay tune.
2021-08-18 19:44 | Report Abuse
Airasia will survive under any PM.
Because it has become like national airlines image for the country.
No matter who is the PM, the PM will continue supporting AA.
2021-08-18 14:31 | Report Abuse
New potentials for Serba to rise again.
Serba pins high hopes in its European renewable energy conquest
By Cheah Chor Sooi
5 hours ago
in Markets, Top
LOOKING beyond oil & gas (O&G), Serba Dinamik Holdings Bhd is optimistic of becoming a major player in the international renewable energy (RE) sphere by riding on its acquisition of Aberdeen (Scotland)-based Wellahead Engineering Ltd.
Despite volatile economic conditions and external challenges, the Malaysian O&G titan is pressing ahead with plans to expand and make its mark in this business segment.
The Wellahead acquisition is just the beginning of Serba Dinamik’s venture into an energy segment that is set to grow exponentially in the long term, according to its group managing director and CEO Datuk Dr Mohd Abdul Karim Abdullah.
“There are huge business opportunities in the renewable energy sector, especially with windmill farms,” envisages the Serba Dinamik founder.
Datuk Dr Mohd Abdul Karim Abdullah
“Wellahead has been tasked to establish links and identify opportunities for the Serba Group in this segment and act as a facilitator to penetrate the channels into this potentially lucrative sector. Plans have been initiated to make this possible.”
To re-cap, Serba Dinamik acquired an 80% equity interest in the precision engineering service provider for the North Sea O&G industry for £1.5 mil (RM8.09 mil) on June 12 last year in its quest to further expand its geographical footprints.
Tapping RE opportunities
A major hub for major O&G multinationals, Wellahead’s home base in Dyce, Aberdeen has recently emerged as a centre for major players in the offshore windmill farm industry. Aberdeen is not only a centre for O&G activities but massive growth of the RE sector is expected to bloom in this part of the UK.
“Aberdeen has traditionally enjoyed strong links with the Scandinavian countries and there are huge opportunities to penetrate these markets via our base in Dyce,” Abdul Karim pointed out.
“Serba Dinamik also enjoys Platinum membership status in the Aberdeen Chamber of Commerce which has global links to the O&G and renewable energy trade associations to tap into business opportunities.”
Wellahead has been in business for over 30 years with a good reputation and track record in the industry for design and the manufacturing of specialised and high precision parts for the upstream O&G sector. Many of Wellahead’s manufactured products are exported to Europe, ASEAN countries and Australia.
Moreover, the company has maintained a profitable operations in the last 12 months despite extremely challenging market conditions. Its clients include major O&G players such as Expro, Technip, One Sub Sea, BP, Baker and Schlumberger. The company was founded in 1998 by Mike Coutts who is the current managing director with 20% stake.
Strategic European presence
According to Abdul Karim, Serba Dinamik aspires to set up a strategic presence in Aberdeen which is deemed the O&G capital of Western Europe.
Another of Serba Dinamik’s 100% owned subsidiary is in the process of setting up its offices and test workshop in the same facility at Kirkhill Drive. Quantum Pump specialises in the packaging, testing, and commissioning a complete range of water pumps, fire water pumps and related products.
“Wellahead’s base in Aberdeen will allow easy access to the UK and European markets. It also plans to access the global market for Wellahead’s products. Early success has resulted in orders from Bangladesh and Oman,” said Abdul Karim.
Although activities in the O&G sector experienced some serious downward trends with Wellahead having to fight hard to sustain its operations, the company’s good reputation and capabilities have helped it to weather the current storm.
“Although business recovery has yet to complete, market conditions are gradually improving,” noted Abdul Karim.
Serba Dinamik has plans to further improve Wellahead’s capabilities in anticipation of further market expansion.
As of end 2020, Wellahead moved into new premises acquired outright by Serba Dinamik. The premises are located on a three-acre site with a total built-up area of 15,000 sq ft comprising workshop and offices.
Further investments in the latest high-tech five axis machinery have enhanced the capacity, capability and productivity of the company. Moreover, Wellahead’s location in Kirkhill Drive, Dyce is close to the Aberdeen International Airport with many key O&G industrial players having offices within its proximity.
In essence, Serba Dinamik’s acquisition of Wellahead is seen as offering multiple positive factors in the long term, including the latter’s profitable operations which contribute the most tangible benefits.
Wellahead’s high-level technological skills and know-how can also add to Serba Dinamik’s overall capability in precision machining and related spin-offs.
2021-08-18 14:29 | Report Abuse
This is real conspiracy.
Hahaha
Posted by EmperorFund > Aug 18, 2021 2:09 PM | Report Abuse
Address
Corporate Headquarters
8-5, Pusat Dagangan UMNO Shah Alam,
Lot 8, Persiaran Damai, Seksyen 11,
40100
Shah Alam
Selangor Darul Ehsan
Malaysia
Tel: 603-5511 3213
Fax: 603-5511 3212
Email: serbadk@e-serbadk.com
Web: www.e-serbadk.com
http://serbadinamik.com/contact/
2021-08-17 14:37 | Report Abuse
Me also agree on this.
Just let him give the reason.
Me be open
Posted by hanna20 > Aug 17, 2021 2:34 PM | Report Abuse
Maybe he has his own observation.
Relax
Posted by straightarrow > Aug 17, 2021 2:30 PM | Report Abuse
Dicky missed the bus
2021-08-17 14:14 | Report Abuse
Generous base on what reason?
May i know
Posted by DickyMe > Aug 17, 2021 1:04 PM | Report Abuse
30 sen is already too generous.
2021-08-17 13:03 | Report Abuse
I don't why people really want this counter to fall til 0.30
Despite the report that is currently view bg EY, what another issue arise?
SD even got big contracts last week
Please share info that i missed out
2021-08-17 13:01 | Report Abuse
Again?
Posted by DickyMe > Aug 17, 2021 12:53 PM | Report Abuse
30 sen coming soon.
2021-08-16 11:38 | Report Abuse
Hope the report will not be delay.
Posted by leno > Aug 16, 2021 9:38 AM | Report Abuse
Insas 4th Quarter report will be out in 10 days time.
Meaning FY 2021 result will be known as well.
FY eps 42 sen.
PE 2.2
La La LA LA LAAAAAAAA ...
CANTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKK !!
2021-08-16 11:36 | Report Abuse
Agree. The fundamental of AA is strong.
If they can survive this pandemic season, they will surely be great again.
The main problem now is - TIME
Posted by Karlos > Aug 16, 2021 10:39 AM | Report Abuse
Air Asia has been awarded for 11 years in a row as the world best low cost air line. Certainly it carries some value especially in this competitive service industry and this value as I said earlier is no where written as an asset in the balance sheet. Many other world class companies too even have negative net worth. Don't you think if Air Asia is for sale, the value would most likely to exceed the current value? To run a service biz such as an airline, it take more than just tangible assets such as cash and planes.
2021-08-16 11:34 | Report Abuse
Unless if DSAI really can get his numbers.
Want to see if he can handle the country or not.
He was a good financial minister before this.
2021-08-16 11:32 | Report Abuse
Still not finish meeting in Putrajaya.
What do we really want to avoid now is General Election.
Hopefully YDPA will make his decision wisely.
Interim Prime Minister is the best option for me.
2021-08-13 15:09 | Report Abuse
There is no reall opportunity offers to the external investors.
No wonder even big foreign company also run to other Asian countries.
Malaysia no longer their main option.
Posted by bilisutara > Aug 13, 2021 12:51 PM | Report Abuse
Sedih tengok total vol tak sampai 2billion setakat tengahari.. Foreign fund managers tak masuk.. Harap ikan bilis dan local institutions nak invest mana nak cukup..!!!
2021-08-13 15:07 | Report Abuse
Foreign funds will not come in until we have a really solid government.
And this is real prove that Azmin is a lousy minister
Posted by bilisutara > Aug 13, 2021 12:51 PM | Report Abuse
Sedih tengok total vol tak sampai 2billion setakat tengahari.. Foreign fund managers tak masuk.. Harap ikan bilis dan local institutions nak invest mana nak cukup..!!!
2021-08-13 12:16 | Report Abuse
Frankly, i think that there will be a minor pull back soon.
And only after that pullback, the price will be straightly hiking up
Let see if i am right
Posted by bilisutara > Aug 13, 2021 10:13 AM | Report Abuse
Hope price will up to 0.47-0.48 at 1st level and then to 0.50 for 2nd level..
2021-08-13 12:15 | Report Abuse
This record, we don't want.
We must avoid that
Posted by Steady Punpipi > Aug 13, 2021 9:53 AM | Report Abuse
Another Record Covid Numbers again today ?
2021-08-12 15:24 | Report Abuse
Yet to hear any plan from AA or Tony himself.
Until then, i will just stay aside from AA
2021-08-12 15:23 | Report Abuse
For scalper, can already cashing out.
Unless decide to hodl.
2021-08-12 15:05 | Report Abuse
Warning for what?
Posted by TOP WIN > Aug 12, 2021 2:52 PM | Report Abuse
Warning ... Last Call ... Last Call
2021-08-12 15:01 | Report Abuse
Until now, still no sign that we can fly.
And even AA price also going landed.
Posted by Mak_kiah > Aug 12, 2021 2:50 PM | Report Abuse
Everyone can fly~
2021-08-12 13:58 | Report Abuse
Everyone is buying now
Posted by solomolo > Aug 12, 2021 11:40 AM | Report Abuse
11.39 am...800 counter buy...414 counter sell
2021-08-11 18:38 | Report Abuse
That maybe for the next generation.
But the concern is now, current situation.
I agree that we will have to accept covid as other disease too in the future.
Posted by i3lurker > Aug 11, 2021 6:19 PM | Report Abuse
1 generation [20 years] of adaptation means the 10 to 20% unable to mount any antibodies to covid will no longer be around.
10 to 20% of global population will be culled off.
The babies of the next generation will all contain the DNA to produce covid antibodies from vaccine.
Gerrardo Adaptation will take longer time.
Equal to revolution and also mutation.
For quick win, vaccination still is the best option
Posted by Sslee > Aug 11, 2021 12:41 PM | Report Abuse
Human has always find a way to live with all type of virus, bacterial and etc since time immemorial.
Our body will find a way to adapt/resist/immune this covid virus. It will end as another seasonal flu.
But till then you still need to follow the SOP to prevent spreading the virus and allowed our body to adapt/resist/immune to this virus.
11/08/2021 2:21 PM
2021-08-11 14:21 | Report Abuse
Adaptation will take longer time.
Equal to revolution and also mutation.
For quick win, vaccination still is the best option
Posted by Sslee > Aug 11, 2021 12:41 PM | Report Abuse
Human has always find a way to live with all type of virus, bacterial and etc since time immemorial.
Our body will find a way to adapt/resist/immune this covid virus. It will end as another seasonal flu.
But till then you still need to follow the SOP to prevent spreading the virus and allowed our body to adapt/resist/immune to this virus.
2021-08-11 14:20 | Report Abuse
For me, i just follow which counter is good.
And currently, insas is good to follow
Posted by rchi > Aug 8, 2021 2:34 PM | Report Abuse
Leno focus on one ctr.Thats why he is extra good.Unlike someone who has a finger in every pie.Hahaha.
2021-08-11 12:32 | Report Abuse
I guess that the price will remain sideways for another weeks.
Definitely will downtrend a lil bit by this week too
2021-08-11 12:30 | Report Abuse
Take the opportunity of this uptrend moment.
Posted by eat9797 > Aug 11, 2021 11:53 AM | Report Abuse
the price will tell u in advance b4 the report out. up trend now..
2021-08-09 20:35 | Report Abuse
If that so, then it is good for SD.
Maybe some communication breakdown happen to the previous situation with kpmg
Posted by Pennyloo > Aug 9, 2021 7:56 PM | Report Abuse
EY will find some agreement to that earlier auditor's report but rules that it is trivial and easily fixable. No malicious intent on the part of SB. Price will go
Stock: [SERBADK]: SERBA DINAMIK HOLDINGS BERHAD
2021-08-27 11:01 | Report Abuse
Countdown to another Kerajaan Gagal or Kerajaan Bagus?
Haha
Posted by hello > Aug 27, 2021 10:50 AM | Report Abuse
10 mins count down.....Hoot ahhhhhhhhhh