Position sizing is one of the key factors in succeeding in stock trading yet lots of people overlook position sizing or do it the wrong way.
So what exactly is the problem for person A, B & C?
Let's assume our initial capital to start stocks trading is RM100,000 and we are keen to trade 5 (or 10 to further diversify) stocks, which you have been monitoring for a while.
In addition, we will ignore scaling in/scaling out during the trading process.
Let's take these 5 stocks JHM, PRESTAR, YONGTAI, PESONA & HIBISCS as an example for position sizing. We will allocate RM20,000 for each of the stock.
Assuming we enter these 5 stocks based on today's closing price.
Before we buy the counters, we need to first work out the stop loss point for each stock so that we know how many lots can we buy. This is a critical step and lots of people overlook this and end up miserably in stocks trading.
There are many ways to determine the stop loss for a stock. And this will be a great topic to discuss in my future post.
For now, I will just refer back to my previous analysis and set the stop loss based on the pattern.
For JHM, 1.45 is the stop loss and it is below the second rounding bottom, as marked in brown colour.
For PRESTAR, the stop loss will be 0.76, below the red circle as illustrated in the PRESTAR analysis.
For YONGTAI, the stop loss will be 1.16, just below the uptrend line and the blue circle as shown in the YONGTAI post.
For PESONA, the stop loss will be 0.56, below the previous swing low.
For HIBISCS, the stop loss will be 0.36, below the resistance turned support trendline.
After determining the stop loss, it is time to calculate the maximum lot size we can buy based on our previous allocated fund RM20,000. Assuming we only risk 5% on each stock, i.e. not losing more than 5% of the allocated amount (RM20,000), which is RM1000.
JHM: 1000/(1.7-1.45) = 4000 shares, spent RM6,800
PRESTAR: 1000/(0.97-0.76) = 4761 ==> 4700 shares, spent RM4,559
YONGTAI: 1000/(1.24-1.16) = 12,500 shares, spent RM15,500
PESONA: 1000/(0.61-0.56) = 20,000 shares, spent RM12,200
HIBISCS: 1000/(0.445-0.36) = 11764 ==> 11,700 shares, spent RM5,206
The lot size is determined based on the stop loss price. So, in case the price turn against us and hit the stop-loss, the maximum amount we will lose is the risk we are willing to take, in this case, 5%, or RM1000 for each stock. If all 5 stocks hit the stop-loss, the maximum loss is RM5,000, i.e. 5% of the trading capital
What about the rest of the money? You can use it if you spot other trading opportunities or scale in the same positions when they go up.
Are you still confused? Let's look at another scenario below:
JHM: 20000/1.7 = 11764 ==> 11,700 shares, potential loss = 11,700*(1.7-1.45) = RM2925
PRESTAR: 20000/0.97 = 20618 ==> 20,600 shares, potential loss = 20,600*(0.97-0.76) = RM4326
YONGTAI: 20000/1.24 = 16129 ==> 16,100 shares, potential loss = 16,100*(1.24-1.16) = RM1288
PESONA: 20000/0.61 = 32786 ==> 32,700 shares, potential loss = 32,700*(0.61-0.56) = RM1635
HIBISCS: 20000/0.445 = 44943 ==> 44,900 shares, potential loss = 44,900*(0.445-0.36) = RM3816
If all 5 stocks hit stop-loss, the maximum loss is RM13990 or 14% of the trading capital.
Some of you might be wondering what about using Person C's approach? i.e. to spend all RM20,000 on each stock but limit the stop loss to 5% by working backwards to determine the stop loss.
For example, HIBISCS: 20000/0.445 = 44,900 shares, limit potential loss to 5% of RM20,000, i.e. RM1,000, the stop loss of HIBISCS will be 0.445*0.95 = 0.42275 ==> 0.425
Yes, you can set this super tight stop loss but do you think the price of HIBISCS can easily retrace 0.02 before resuming the bullish momentum and trend higher? Your tight stop loss will be easily hit.
Am I comfortable to lose 5% of my invested capital? Is this within my threshold? Can I sleep well at night if one stock hits the stop loss and I lose RM1000? What about all 5 stocks hit the stop loss and I lose RM5000?
If the answer is NO. You can always adjust the risk you are willing to take for each stock until you are good with that. The smaller risk you are willing to take, the smaller lot size you can buy for each stock. Else you can adjust your risk higher.
I recommend not to risk more than 20% (for the super aggressive trader) of your trading capital, i.e. should all stocks hit the stop loss, you will at most lose 20% of your trading capital.
Think about it this way, if you lose 20% of your trading capital, you will need to earn 25% to recover your lost capital. The more you lose, the harder you will recoup the losses.
You will notice that the lot size is a dependant on the amount you are willing to risk, your entry price and your stop loss. If you would like to buy more without enduring higher risk, you can always enter at a better price, i.e. lower price, or to have a tighter stop loss.
However, bear in mind that you will need to have some buffer to let the price to fluctuate. If you have a super tight stop loss, you will be easily stopped out before the price turns in your favour. The stop loss should be set at a point where it violates the bullish structure, which I will elaborate more in my future posts.
How to determine the "bullishness" of the patterns- https://www.facebook.com/BursaSGXcandlestick/videos/378260995905662/
The Trade Management Technique You Need To Know - http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/candlestick/114496.jsp
Best Way To Learn To Trade Without A Mentor - http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/candlestick/113821.jsp
Entry Illustration - http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/candlestick/113605.jsp
Stop Loss & Safe Trading - http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/candlestick/113510.jsp
Come Up With Trading Ideas & Turn Them Into Investing Ideas - http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/candlestick/114110.jsp
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@R3D3 Thanks for your input. I totally agree that execution is not easy. That's why it is essential to have a trading plan to cure the "what if" mindset. We can't predict what the market does but to only anticipate and react based on our trading plan. The idea is to take care of the downside with the stop loss.
Aas much as we can do to select the "right stocks", there is no guarantee and that's why a stop loss is important, as we do not want to have the mindset that "it can't happen to such a good stock".
The idea is we don't want 1 or 2 stocks to wipe out all our gain just because we are so confident in the technical/fundamental analysis so we trade without a stop-loss.
If we have continuously lost 5 out of 5 or even 10/10, then we will need to re-examine our method and also the market condition.
Like you mentioned, position sizing is only part of the story. There are other key factors like entry point, stop loss stock selection, etc...
Yes, once we have enough data for our trading expectancy based on different setup and quality, we can incorporate to vary our risk per trade.
2017-01-05 09:28
another good read is alexander elder come into my trading room, read it and you will never regret
2017-01-10 23:47
stockmanmy
Excellent
2017-01-04 23:48