Picked up some rhonema. I think the results are quite good and there is a comparative growth from their joint venture with kulim on getting A2 cow milk production increase supply in the coming year. Will invest and take a look at the longer term progress.

Good job. What's are your stock holdings?

I support gloves. Bought hartalega.

https://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/pfs/120720.jsp

Why are you posting at 3 in the morning? Where are you now?

hi OTB,
if steel price drops, how about the existing inventory price, does it go down also or they can still sell at higher price? you will have 1-2 months of inventory that is done using high prices, will buyers want to buy that inventory or wait for lower prices to do their contract purchases?

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Posted by OTB > Nov 2, 2021 12:44 PM | Report Abuse

Coal and iron ore are raw material required in steel production.
Cheaper raw material will reduce the production cost.
Steel price drops, the profit margin is still the same or better if the drop in the raw material cost is more than the drop in the steel price.
Shouting loud does not guarantee you will win.

How did you derive rm3?

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wallstreetrookie High inflation environment, gradual rise in raw material prices. Strong SELL.

Long term price target (adjusted): RM3.00

https://www.upstreamonline.com/exclusive/petrobras-u-turn-yinson-back-in-the-picture-for-parque-das-baleias-floater/2-1-1089896

Finally confirmed and signed.

Yes the key thing is workers. Luckily in Sabah I have access to Indonesian and Philippine 3rd generation workers locally. Among the interesting things to look at, innoprise plantations will be declaring a 20% dividend this year at least. Based on cost basis.

And speaking of dividends, I am looking forward to 2 years of uoadev dividend of 8%, my largest holding pchem at cost basis rm6.1 will be looking at a windfall of 50 cents dividends for the year, and I can also look forward to good growth in capital gain.

In fact, in my 2 years of holding pchem I have received a total of 51 cents in dividend. With a company payout policy of 50% of profit, I am definitely happy to buy and hold this amazing company. I am looking forward to when pic becomes fully operational, and I am receiving 61 cents of dividends every year to invest into more stocks every year.

Don't forget netx

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I have all the intention to warn all others not to chase Holland companies like Seni Jaya, tafi, bsl Corp, tocean, Malaysia genomics, gets and many others with very inferior earnings or even no earning at all in some cases and yet the maddening crowd chased them up the sky
26/10/2021 4:50 PM

Your comments on ays and lionid shows that you are nothing but a small time trader trying to profit by speculating on penny stocks. The obvious plot here is that you are proud of making 2% on lionid shows that you only discuss your profits instead of looking at your losses, something which kyy and otb to his credit is clear cut about and their articles and remarks. Are you honest enough to discuss your full " speculative performance"? You seem to have been around since 2013, how have you really fared in the market?

In fact, results like yours are a dime a dozen. Here is details you can pull from my publicly tracked portfolio ( which obviously I post after it is done), the date it was done, how much was the volume and the return.

This was for harbour link recently. This was tracked, verified and actually the product of research from the analysis of good readers here on i3 who have left because of constant trolling from individuals like you and joined telegram where the GOAL is to discuss stocks analysis and buy/sell. I participated in this analysis sharing and made off with 27% without needing to be a troll


Date
Type
Shares
Unit Price
Net Amt.
Balance Shares
Realized Gain
Average Cost
Per Share
Balance Cost
Per Share
29-Sep-2021 Buy +200,000 1.15 +230,878.50 200,000 - 230,878.50 1.154 230,878.50 1.154
29-Sep-2021 Buy +150,000 1.18 +177,699.15 350,000 - 408,577.65 1.167 408,577.65 1.167
01-Oct-2021 Buy +150,000 1.30 +195,770.25 500,000 - 604,347.90 1.208 604,347.90 1.208
04-Oct-2021 Buy +250,000 1.32 +331,173.50 750,000 - 935,521.40 1.247 935,521.40 1.247
07-Oct-2021 Sell -300,000 1.62 -484,366.30 450,000 +110,157.74 561,312.84 1.247 451,155.10 1.002
12-Oct-2021 Sell -150,000 1.57 -234,605.27 300,000 +47,500.99 374,208.56 1.247 216,549.83 0.721
13-Oct-2021 Sell -300,000 1.59 -475,392.85 0 +101,184.29 0.00 0.000 -258,843.02 - ∞


The lesson to learn here is to stop wasting time being a troll, and start spending time learning how buy stocks.

You gain nothing ARV18 by reposting vicious comments on OTHER peoples articles.

Maybe there is a reason why kyy is a millionaire, while you are still up at 1017 PM trying to find reasons to insult him.

The reason could be you.
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Posted by arv18 > Oct 26, 2021 9:41 PM | Report Abuse

All these ppl, Phillip, "HonestInvestor88", OTB are all crooks. Never will debate or address points raised, but seek to resort to personal attacks, pretending to know something.

Sad state of affairs.

It also makes to me even more confident of my decision to sell out of AYS & Lion. I'm not looking for the Top. Happy with my profit.

The worse thing to do is to feed a troll. He hides behind a moniker arv18 which no one knows and believes he has the privilege to insult or make fun of anything and anyone. Whatever you say will be used as fuel to give even more insulting remarks.

To be honest I also do not like how koon yew yin almost skirts the line of illegality of buying stocks and inside information to buy stocks and influence with articles.

However: it is obviously NOT illegal as SC know exactly who kyy is, where he lives and how much he invests. And let's be honest, he loses money just the same as you arv18.

The difference is he is a KOL, a public personality that everyone knows.

So leave him be.

Start your own stocks articles instead of hijacking others with troll remarks and insults.

In fact, maybe instead of insults you can start with your name.

That way you can start taking responsibility for your insults and remarks right? If you dare to go around calling people cons and names, perhaps you can leave your real name so we can know who is actually leaving the insults.

Or do you just like trolling from the shadows?

Koon yew yin also doesn't go around being a troll and trying to bully people on a investment forum.

Something only kids with too much free time and no money will do.

You should grow up. Go to member services and look at all your comments. You will find that you contribute nothing to this website except vitriol and insults and being a downright troll.

Why are you being a troll on an investment website? Most likely because you lost money following their picks and are feeling testy and angry for acting like a fool and losing money gambling on their picks.

I don't bother with kyy or otb on their picks and make my own decisions in life. I comment positively on stocks I pick and why I pick them and follow closely their results.

Why do you feel the need to insult everybody on the forum with your comments. You can scroll to you comments and find zero positive remarks.

You are a troll, plain and simple. If you have nothing constructive to contribute, being silent can be an alternative option.

Being a troll is your privilege. Handle with care.

I'm sure in real life you might be a nice, respectful and intelligent person. But hiding behind an internet avatar, you seem to think you can insult everyone and anyone just because people cannot identify you.

Shameful.

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Posted by arv18 > Oct 26, 2021 3:54 PM | Report Abuse

Phiilip, OTB, and Con Man Koon. Stop spending time attacking me and put more effort with your team to MARGIN up and push up Hiap Teck to RM1.16. Your very specific TP.

Regarding trackable portfolio, I don't work for free. I don't give stock picks for free.

Do your own stock picking yourself, Phillip. Don't be lazy.

Where is Con Man Koons i3 trackable portfolio? I don't see it anywhere, now you've mentioned it.

aren't you the one talking KOK? what you posted is bullshit.

https://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/pfs/120720.jsp#tabs_group2

this is how you do it. a trackable portfolio of what you buy, when you buy, how much you sold and what P&L is done.

Talking nonsense like what you are doing is a waste of effort and just for you to show off. if you click in portfolio, under transaction group you will see what you actually bought, what your position is, what your actual profit is.

And best of all, you can't just delete and replace information as you please.

FYI, I think OTB actually started his position at the 50 cents range, and I am not sure if he sold at 69, but the profit there is more than whatever profits you are talking about.

you are a short term trader who thinks he is an investor talking about time will tell, without any telling of yourself.

Grow up troll.

are you a child arv18? You talk and act like one. Please be more matured and discuss on this forum with facts and results. I think YOUR language reflects negatively on you, especially for someone without any portfolio to track, any history of stock analysis, and only a list of flaming and trolling remarks. I think you should either start to discuss more on stocks that you are holding and why you are holding them, instead of just being a troll on every page you are on.

Please, do share your history of stock performance. You seem to have been an avid poster since 2013, and yet you have never posted a portfolio or write any positive analysis on any stock ideas.

I can only conclude that you full time job on I3 is to be a troll.

Waste of time.

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arv18 Your language reflects negatively on you. Not me. How old are you? Learn to control and behave yourself sir!
25/10/2021 4:42 PM

Yes, the riskiest stocks to buy is those that you do not understand

Started a position in hiaptek thanks to indepth research from otb and Jack yap. Thanks!

RM406mil by 2025 translates to 2x increase from their existing revenue of 160 million. At current 30% margin. By 2025, if they increase their revenue to 320 million at 30% margins, they will be making 90 million earnings a year. At a valuation of 4.5 billion it will still be pe50 for a slow 300 million growth rate, aren't we overpaying a lot for it buying at current prices? Is brahmal effect that good?

If it has 70% market shares didn't that mean it can only grow another 30% before it will have 100% market share?

At pe100, are we aiming that CTOS will be able to be used in other countries like Singapore, China, Philippines and Indonesia which already have their credit reporting agencies?

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Goldberg CTOS's Potential & Strength

- Its monopolistic qualities.
- Has nearly 70% market share.

what profit? imaginary profit? from where? insas? what kind of advise given, only buy insas?

I put 40% of bursa portfolio into pchem, earn 50 cents dividend a year, buy price average rm6. now laughing to the bank especially being paid a lot of money just to sit and wait.

follow calvin into palm oil stocks also better, earn 100% double in returns. palm oil 5000 per ton.

even buy steel is better, I already took choobee and pmetal and ran with the wonderful profits.

Insas Caaaantteeeek? bullshit la, have to go to other groups to promote like crazy, in the end insas still doesnt crack rm1.

And they just sold their business again, this time their money making one.

so sad, canteek apa? even sslee is smart enough to know how to trade, unlike leno, keep talking nonsense at other stock channels and promote promote like no tomorrow.

When is RM5 coming?

tesla I bought at 575 now already 811... TESLA caaannntteeeekkk. more importantly all tracked and logged in a proper portfolio,

bukan sekadar cakap saja, any cat and dog can talk. but who maintain portfolio for 3 years now on i3 with every single transaction and profit/loss column? rugi besar serba i record, untung besar Mr DIY i record,
leno? leno talk talk talk. how we know you got "profit?"

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Posted by leno > Oct 14, 2021 1:10 PM | Report Abuse

what kok u tok about sslee ?
leno "profit" this year alone already worth more than your whole potato portfolio value.
Leno and raider are giving u a very sincere and good advise lor.
FOC some more.

What about the risks in investing in Kanger?

the simple fact is there are very few companies in bursa that specializes world dominating exports that come from malaysia and can compete with the world stage. Harta is obviously one of those few companies, and I am very happy to go onboard at cheap prices.

harta is now my fourth biggest position, and building up at the rm5+ range

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/business-news/2021/10/09/harbour-link-bullish-on-containerised-shipping-operations

It's good if they really go forward with it. They are just asking for mandate.
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random123 all sifu, company proposed to buy back share is good or bad?

Bought some sop at a fair value price. Sometimes have to admit when Calvin tan can be right. Last week sold fruit bunches at the collection center and realized the price increase has been steadily going up far beyond the shortfall, not helped by the weather and soybean prices. At 5k per metric ton, and called up a friend working at Sarawak palm oil, it seems their production is not as affected as my Sabah side.

Seems like a good cyclical trade after all going in at fair prices.

Looking from a trading point of view, with 32 million in earnings, we can expect 120 million in profits for this year. Taking a 50% conservative view, at 60 million a year, the speculative value goes from 600 million to 1.2 billion in market cap trading value as safe due to the 100+ million net cash in hand. As management has guided to at least another quarter or so of outsized earnings, good management and a history of never meaning a loss, I think risk is still very low to trade up to 1.7.

Good luck to all holders.

I remember a situation a long time ago when my ex boss was played out of the Sarawak oil palm m&a activities. One of the holdings of which he had a 25% share in was diluted and spread out as more investments were required to "grow" and build the business which he started with his own blood and tears. Even though he started with a 25% share, with private placements and warrants and share dilution he was diluted down to 3% from his initial ownership, after which his plantation was absorbed and sold by majority shareholders for a few hundred million, of which he earned very little compared to his initial investments before being diluted out.

Very sad but true story. There are multiple ways to lose on your stock investment without even knowing why.

So the first inversion on why the general public does not invest in jaks is the historical propensity of the company to not use internally generated funds for investments, but their history of diluting the earnings due to shareholders by making them pay more to keep that same share of cake?

So the question would be how much more dilution will there be in the future which will reduce the excitement of holding this stock?

Interesting point indeed.

Very interested to know your view on this. Thanks

PleaseTeachMe, you mean that rm1.50 is a conservative estimate? The moon conservative estimate is rm6?

How about we invert this, and we look at the current situation of rm0.425. why is the entire market, investment bankers and retailing public leaving rm2.65 on the table? What issues are giving the investing market such worries and fears even after cod and successful running and profit earning of the public?

What is their worries? I'm sure you are very well versed and know the reasons why we should be buying,

But if we invert, can you share what are also the reason why we are NOT buying currently?

Then we can compare the pros/cons of investing in jaks and realize what is going on as there is no such thing as a perfect investment.

What risks are currently involved that is making institutions leave rm2.55 off the table?

But still, I will not buy based on dk conclusion on this

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This article concludes that JHDP is expected to deliver EPS of between RM0.30 to RM0.40 to Jaks. At PE of 10 to 15 times, Jaks is worth between RM3 to RM6.

Ok sir aseng, you have my full apologies. Jaks is a wonderful company and everyone in bursa had lost much in not investing in it. Good luck with your investment.

I hope your wish comes true and jaks will really become a 3 billion ringgit company one day.

Good luck and all the best.

How much is your analysis, at rm1.5?

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Posted by Aseng > Oct 6, 2021 9:25 PM | Report Abuse

300m-400m is icon8888 IRR analysis .
I had not seen any Dk report mentioned the 300-400 M . Have you ? If yes please show me .

I see, thanks for the clarity.

So am I right to say that the profit from JV now is justified. At rm37 million per quarter for 30% ownership, the total returns let year to owners of the power plant is 500 million per year (100%). At construction costs of 1.87 billion USD, for a 25 year bot, 5 year tax free on earnings, we are spending 8 billion for a 500 million a year share of profit.

That sounds very good actually. How much interest, dilution and pp had been done to cover the 30% so far? So currently we are looking at 148 million in earnings from JV per year, 24 million in interest charges per year, 300 million in debt. 270 million in warrants and pp.

Seems like a good deal. Sounds like a very good buy there

I wish everyone luck with jaks.

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/2021 8:57 PM

Just88 Philip, 300m is free cash flow not profit.
06/10/2021 8:58 PM

So you still agree on his valuation and calculation that jaks jhdp earnings will be 300-400 million a year 30% of the joint venture from power plant despite what we are seeing now after cod?

If you believe that, where is the balance? Latest qr was 37 million, if we assume 300-400 million, there is still a shortfall of 63 million earnings this quarter from the JV? Any idea where and when is that coming?

I am very much interested in jaks because I read all the qr reports of all the companies I am interested in bursa every quarter.

I would like to know if more revenue and earnings coming from jaks after the total investment of 1.6 billion USD.

If you are confident that we will still get 300-400 million a year of earnings from the 30% JV or 12% IRR, then jaks is definitely a buy at these low prices.

But qr results are out and different from DK66 projections. I would like to know why such a huge gap in difference?



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this argument is very misleading and irresponsible
because you are not interested in Jaks .
you do not bother to spend your time to do a serious homework to verify how the BOT is signed. moreover you are not an accountant , DCF valuation and comparative value may look very is not your field of expertise .

I seem to recall a long time ago as well the rosy predictions by icon8888 and dk irr calculations on how much return they will get from the power plant in 30% ownership of joint venture. So how accurate had it been since then.

The facts are jaks owes 300 million in long term debt, took a few hundred million in private placements, warrants and debt raisings to dilute shareholders of the jhdp joint venture, and in the end, we only get 37 million per quarter of earnings instead of the previously acclaimed 300-400 million calculated with multiple spreadsheets by DK66 back then.

Now power plant up and running, still no big jackpot in view.

How now? Wait for next promise, bait and switch?

Obviously Dennis Koh had now deleted all his articles and calculations.

Very sad. Shows how spreadsheets never survive the first cash flow report.


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Philip, if you have a better evaluation method, I would appreciate if you can share it here. I m doing a task that so far no one is doing better in Jaks - trying to FORECAST the future earnings of JHDP.
Please take note of the word "FORECAST"
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Aseng, remember I told you that the 12%IRR is based on Capacity payment alone ? The IRR has not considered the Energy payment. That is precisely the reason why Vinh Tan 1 has achieved 16% IRR as pointed out by probability.

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Fixed Capacity Price is a fixed number which is pre-determined throughout the entire economic life of the project. Fixed Capacity Price is calculated so that the internal of return of the power plant project will not exceed a regulatory rate (i.e. 10% or 12% depends on each case).
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This was the article written by icon8888 long long time ago on the profit he expects to get from Jake post power plant cod run.

300 million a year!
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https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/icon8888/2020-05-01-story-h1506818792-_Icon_Jaks_Resources_IRR_Model_Shows_That_RM300_mil_Net_Profit_p_a_For_.jsp

Dear aseng, this case was the item I pointed out few years ago when everyone was writing very rosy future for jaks earnings after cod, including DK in his articles which he has since deleted.

So for you, how much do you think jaks will earn in future after the engineering works have been completed, and the earnings from 30% power plant has been reflected for 2 quarters.

How much are you willing to pay for 800 million market cap valuation? Where will the future earnings come from, now that we know exactly how much jhdp is earning?

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Aseng I can wait 2 years ,

Can you ?

2 years 300%

Therefore 1 year 150%


06/10/2021 1:51 PM

Aseng just88,

put it in a very straightforward manner , you mean Phillip is not aware that the revenue of the group does not include the revenue of the associate . that is why he feel the figure very funny .am I right ?
06/10/2021 2:15 PM

How is it misunderstood when the results from qr versus the stories told by everyone is at odds?

https://www.nst.com.my/business/2020/11/641387/jakss-jv-vietnam-generate-rm28bil-year

This is what everyone was told.

It is now q3 2021, coming to q4 2021.

KUALA LUMPUR: Jaks Resources Bhd believes that its joint-venture (JV) company in Vietnam can generate between RM2.4 billion and RM2.8 billion annual revenue, from the first quarter (Q1) of 2021.

The bullish forecast is due to Jaks Pacific Power Ltd's coal-fired power plant there.

Jaks Pacific, a 30:70 per cent JV between Jaks Resources and China Power Engineering Consulting Group Corporation, is the owner of Jaks Hai Duong power plant (Hai Duong) with 1,200 megawatts capacity.

This is what was said.

Despite the lower revenue, the Group recorded a profit before tax of RM23.9 million
in the current year second quarter as compared to a loss before tax of RM8.4 million
in the preceding year’s corresponding quarter. The turnaround to profitability was
mainly due to the share of 30% profit in JAKS Hai Duong Power Company Limited
(“JHDP”) of RM37.5 million following the commencement of commercial operation
(“COD”).

I'm sure someone can help to explain the differences between qr reported results and the marketing results prior to pp from jaks management.

Can anyone explain the discrepancy?


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Posted by Just88 > Oct 6, 2021 1:10 PM | Report Abuse

Jaks is the most misunderstood stock in Bursa. How many actually know that JHDP in actual fact benefits from higher coal prices ???

One thing Calvin always fall to reveal is the most important fact, what is the average ffb yield of sop per hectare?

It is always important to note how much production, instead of just repeating on revenue, as fixed costs, efficiency and production is the key reason why united plantations is 6 billion and Sarawak palm oil barely 2 billion.

The same as Calvin promoting jtiasa another Sarawak company without truly understanding the entire structure of business in Sarawak.

There are qualitative reasons why they are "undervalued" other than simply on qr reported results.

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calvintaneng Out of 300,000 acres of Lands SOP now has more than 200,000 Acres matured

Very Best Potential & Safe Oil Palm Companies

https://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/forum/600603518.jsp
03/10/2021 4:50 PM

Yes in the end this is a investing forum, not done silly forum for name calling and showing off. This is why I find myself gradually moving away from i3 to telegram due to the bad moderation of childish behaviors of creating new ID just to insult people, and trying to talk about everything else except investment decisions and results.

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PleaseTeachMe Philip,do carry on with your sharing. Ignore comments that are unfair and learn from those that are helpful. It would have been better if critics point out why the stocks u buy are not good. This will benefit readers more. Hopefully, critisicms will be more constructive
05/10/2021 12:51 PM

You sound like a recent graduate from sunway university who lost money playing stock market and feeling bitter about it.

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If you are not happy look me up for a debate. Just look for the
millionaire finance lecturer in Sunway.
05/10/2021 5:11 AM

It is funny how some people would rather concentrate on the leaves instead of the forest. How does it benefit you by concentrating on details which are unimportant versus the important facts.

You could have started by asking why I bought awc, or you can look to share why you think AWC is a bad trade, which is more information worth learning from. You can look at my long term results to say that my investment methods are lousy and not with listening to and rationalizing which is the better method of investment.

More importantly, you can look at the 3 year history of every single transaction I have made and study what I did wrong and point out your own trading/investment methods which you think works better.

Instead you seem to emphasize on the word "small" and show off wealth.

Very sad mental view. But what can we expect of those who are not interested to look at the purpose of the page ( a full trackable portfolio of performance from 2019-21) and instead engage in petty things like showing off wealth? What wealth? Digital numbers on a toxic forum?


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KevinL I agree on the part that Philip seems to likes to show off his wealth.

You can see it from his choice of words like "Started a small trading position on AWC, around 200k shares". Considering the median net worth of a typical Malaysian is around USD8900, I don't see the necessity mention the word "small" though.

We should all be humble and share our stories/success with the intention to inspire and educate rather than for self-centered purposes.
05/10/2021 10:25 AM

Well written article lee, you have summed things up very well, except for one more important point. A lot of the new bonds raised can be called up at any time by the banks if they view it as a lost cause. Especially the recent loan by sabah development bank of 300+ million. If aa cannot pay that interest lien on that soon, Kevin Fung will be very very stressed out haha, he will probably have to call in the chips to get back whatever they can and watch the dominos fall. As the saying goes, when a margin call comes you need to act decisively and fast and not delay. The longer you wait the worse it will get.

It's amazing that people still believe in icapital. Tan Teng boo is actually worse than mutual funds, because you can at least sell those for nav value. The very fact that Icap is selling for below nav shows that majority do not view ttb actions of putting 60% money in fixed deposit instead of making it work during cheap sales period. If you are not buying when prices have crashed, then you will probably never be buying.

I don't think anybody associate it with tech. It's in the EMS industry designation.

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Posted by OldWiseMan100 > Sep 28, 2021 9:50 PM | Report Abuse

SKP not even a tech stock. I still dont know why people associate it with tech.

Please show me where I boast and boast?

And for your information I have results to show of my investment returns, and proper risk management to display how I put big sums of money on high conviction bets and smaller sums on riskier investments.

You can see the long term results since I started putting up my portfolio online in 2019.

Is i3 only value is to be a platform for abuse and trolling?

Please show your own investment thesis and trackable portfolio to see how your returns work out over time.

If you are not willing to do so, please stop posting and commenting further, people are here to look at how I invest and the portfolio returns, not to simply waste time talking.

The difference between me and you is that results good or bad is here to show how I invest. So far my results are still good. The difference for you is when times are good you talk a lot, when you don't do well you just go quiet and disappear. It seems you never made a mistake in buying stocks or trusting people before in your 20+ years. Good lah.

Are you w billionaire yet?

Taking a big hit on serba dinamik shares and sold fully to reduce further exposure long term. I think their inability to improve cash flow via borrowings and the red flag of 10% receivables uncollected more than 3 months is going to be the back breaker for me. Short term debt and inability to collect money are worrying signs indeed.

The first thing one should ask is not how much cash a business has, but what the business is going to grow the cash pile it has. Because as a minority shareholder you have no access to that cash, but simply whatever forms of dividends or share buybacks that the company is willing to do.

In this case the correct question is to ask why is the company valued lower than the nett cash it has?

The simple answer I can find is simply that the company doesn't make much money at all, and the earnings it has right now is simply by selling the plantations that it has for more prices instead of growing more (a trick that the old tradewinds manager seems fond of doing before, selling).

In any case would you buy a company whose central business model 77% is in the lpg business, and yet from 456 million in revenue, only makes 11+ million in profit? That is a gross profit of 2.4%.

Their ict telecommunications business is losing money, they are selling off the plantations they do have in agro.

So since we will not be able to access that pile of cash at all, and I fully believe management will be using that money to finance new business models( which may or may not be successful), the simple fact is you cannot value the company simply based on the cash they have which is the past, but try to estimate the future cash flow it will have.

That would be the real possibility of looking at why the share price will go up and how you will really benefit.

My 2 cents.

Bought some harbor thanks to Ryan bringing up some ideas on logistics arbitrage.