If perodua can make money but proton cannot then the cause of bleeding is the management of Proton itself. Perhaps Proton should stop from wasting time and money in engine design. Proton should focus on validating and customizing imported cars and also on quality improvement on their down stream suppliers.

How to explain why VSOLAR another company in solar panel business until today price like shit ? Hope to get experts' opinions and views. TQ

who the hell did epf sell these few millions share to ? No morons would buy at current price if they think the price will drop further.

Seems like Shell mgmt still not telling what Bursa and public want to know. http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed-companies/company-announcements/4996261

For these few days, epf had disposed (sold) 1-2 millions shares, assuming it price at RM3, who the hell willing to spend RM 6 millions to buy Shell now, knowing that its price will drop further ? Who is that "clever" party ? (Would we be moron to buy at current price if we "know" it will drop further ? Even a year one econ/finance student will say no)

The logic is buyer and seller come in as a pair, otherwise no deal done. Who are the buyers now, retailers, institution or major share holders ? HY could get 51% from ammore, do they need to desperate buy the remaining at current price ? Do not forget the S&P has not been officially approved yet.

Ask ourselves these questions :
1) Why Dutch wants to sell 51% to HY ?
2) Why HY wants to buy from Dutch the 51% even though they knew there is hidden debt of USD350m due soon ? Are they moron or idiot to sign this deal ?

皇帝不急太监急？

So many desperate to ask holders to sell but no one asking buyers not to buy ? If Shell is like Ebola infected dead corpse, logically no one would want to touch it but why still have buyers keep buying ? Obviously these buyers are not from institution since no announcement of share holding change except from epf. Why ?

Kumi_Duit, what signal ?

It should be renamed Shell Refinery Bhd instead of just misleading Shell. Sleeping Bursa not doing their job.

踏进股市的人，几乎个个都想赢钱，但大多数都不愿意花时间学习，更别想他们愿意花钱去学习关于股票的知识和技术。 在离我家不远的咖啡店，里面总坐着几位老uncle，个个每天看着ONLINE TRADING的股市价格上上下下， 走过去想劝告他们去学点TA的知识，想不到却碰了一鼻子灰，自讨没趣一场。 去过TA课程的，几乎每位老师在没教你赚钱前，会先叫你怎样有限度输钱或止损。

MSWG’S COMMENTS:

Minority shareholders of Shell Refining were shocked with the proposed transaction by their majority shareholders, Shell Overseas, as reflected in complaint letters MSWG received.

The sale transaction to Malaysia Hengyuan is at an approximately RM1.80 per Sale Share. Although it is only 7 % discount to the latest net asset value of RM1.93 per share as at September 2015, it was a huge discount of 63.6% to the market price of RM4.94 as at 29 January 2016 prior to the release of the announcement.

For information, other substantial shareholders are EPF (15.71%), Amanah Saham Malaysia (11.09%) and other minority shareholders are KWAP (2.38%), PNB (1.12%), Khazanah Nasional (1.12%) and Others (17.58%) as per shareholders’ listing as at 30 April 2015.

The negative impact this transaction has on minority shareholders is already happening. Shell Refining shares have plunged from RM4.98 to RM3.68 on 29 January 2016 and would possibly drop further to the SPA price of approximately RM1.80 per share.

We urge the Board of Shell Refining look into the interest of minority shareholders in respect of this acquisition and the subsequent Mandatory General Offer which is expected to be triggered by the new major shareholder.

As for the major shareholder, no doubt the transaction is a private one, but one would expect that certain care and obligations to the existing minority shareholders by the majority considering that they had been with them for a long period of time. Thus, a longer time for more offers to come by so that transaction can be done at a more equitable level to minority shareholders.

So many good men who are so caring and worry about Shell share holders losing money and advise them to cut loss. TQ

Anyway if this China man company cancel the deal and ammore decide to bungkus and go back to Holland. Will Malaysian have enough petrol and diesel ? How manyy refinery companies does Malaysia have ? If it is only Petronas left, will they monopoly everything and slaughtering us like what shit moktar in bernas ? We can choose not to eat rice but our cars cannot run on water.

Angmo did not sell Shell petrol station chain, I can confirm this point. Actually refinery is also profit making at present but our stupid government want them to upgrade, that is the reason angmo run away.

So now how many kena tipu to sell out ?

Anyone who know how to file complaint to Bursa please help to file a complaint to Bursa for HY and angmo have made a very misleading announcement regarding this S&P.

HY is like buying a "SAMBUNG BAYAR" car from angmo. It is like they are try to mislead the public HY bought a BMW for RM1.80 from angmo but they did not announce HY need to pay the hidden deby of USD350 millions.

Clearly they have intention to create fears to public so that panic share holders throw their shares cheap to them.

Hope Bursa suspend SHELL until HY and the Shell angmo make clearer statements.

Posted by Probability > Feb 2, 2016 09:59 PM | Report Abuse

http://www.financeasia.com/News/405642,hengyuan-buys-shell-refining-malaysia.aspx

It depends on how we look at the real cost HengYuen going to pay to the angmo.
1) HY pays angmo USD66million in order to get 51% of Shell
2) HY also has to bear future debt of USD350 millions
3) HY also will spend in upgrading the plant to meet new requirements.
All of above will sum up to USD480 at the maximum. HY claims they can upgrade the plant at much cheaper cost , true or not true we dont know but do remember when Lenovo took over IBM, they also claimed they can be profitable with the profit margin which IBM would make lose.

If we see HY only pays (1) then HY really pays dirt cheap at RM1.80 per share. However if we take USD480 millions as total cost then what they pay might not be cheap. The key things is what are the T&C set in this S&P, if it allows HY to issue new share for their spending on USD350 or plant upgrading cost then definitely not good for the rest of share holders including EPF and PNB, hope they seek clarification now before the regulator approve this S&P. Why most press make big title on RM1.80 but not much talk regarding USD350 millions debt which HY need to settle. (We need to know whether T&C forbid HY to issue new share issue or not, why there is not reporters check or question this part ? I hope EPF and PNB are not sleeping)

Has Shell made this offer Rm1.80 to Petronas ? Is it base on PE 1 ?

I am just a pasar malam layman and not expert, shell and petronm business models are quite similar with shell may be one extra business in o&g exploration and extraction. both companies do refinery and trading but shell storage size should be much larger. When o&g drops, shell will get more losses because their inventory larger than petronm. Shell business in o&g exploration and extraction also get hit due to crude oil drop, so this part definitely it contribute losses. On the other hand, shell refinery and trading are larger than petronm, if petronm can make money, shell sure will make more. Whether the losses in extraction and exploration bigger or profits on refinery and trading bigger, that will decide whether this company make money or not. If shell hq still can go and acquire bg group, it should mean they are still cash rich and company is stable. If they need money may be they will sell their branch in m'sia to china hengyuan, also not bad for those who hold its shares. (ideally if they sell only exploration and extraction then we can get more). Changing shell brand to hyuen make no different like from mobil to petronm.

Why petronm price always up and shell usuallyy down ? epf is the culprit for they also throw other companies shares as well like drbhicom, etc. Either they need cash badly to feed ahjib or it is their strategy to reduce foreign funds attacks by dumping m'sia stocks. Ideally if china government funds adopt same approach, it will be more efficient than melt down system. Imagine if the stock is dumped until mother cannot recognize son like what hokkien said, foreign funds will be locked up, if they dump after epf they will make bigger losses.

I am purely doing logical reasoning and i might be wrong. Do not take my comment seriously. What the truth is I do have a relative who is shell's employee, the company treat the employees well, every well they provide allocation for employee to have dinner with their family members.

It would be great if I3 administrator can add in and display the date each user who joined the forum, that can help to identify accounts which added in to spread rumors.

Seems like there are many fake accounts who come here to tell everyone not to buy Shell. If you throw your shell at low price at seller side at top lowest price, immediately an invisible hand come and swallow it. Strange .

http://www.cggthinktank.com/2016-01-18/100075067.html

At current market trend, keep real money is better than keeping the money printing machine.

Is the margin call finished or will start again in afternoon ? Any one can confirm ? TQ

Anyone hear there is a China company collecting it ?http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kianweiaritcles/90099.jsp

since hopeless and useless why u still waste time here ?

Shell could make money buy what if they do not want to declare dividend ? All the o&g have high accum lost in past.

How to trade crude oil future ?

Is Shell Malaysia and Shell oversea same ?

WTF, when whole world up we were down ; when whole world down we also down.

马来西亚最失败的地方可能就是只想卖原料原产品，CPO, CRUDE OIL, BAUXITE。 原油价格跌超过一半（100USD--30USD），汽油却只跌二三十仙。 PETRONAS有没有自己的炼油厂 ？

请教MR　TAN和其他高手，　如果石油价格再度涨高，哪一些马国的油气股比较有希望受益？　　谢谢

Can Syed Moktar privatise DRB HiCOM ? Anyone knows ?

EPF throw again .......

The post office business is good. more and more people choose to buy and renew road tax there, that including me. (buy insurance and get road tax and same time)

http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/hleresearch/85268.jsp

I think it already form bolingger band squeeze breakout, rebounce started.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/airasia-jumps-56-after-japan-unit-gets-operator-certificate .
As usual people like to count chickens before they hatch.

I am confused, when was Nestle sold around 30 ?

If goes kaput, why major share holders not selling ?

Is the boss sick or caught for illegal logging, why drop so much ?

with 2 b?y election, will they ?

Gopiwira must be talking about chewing gum, littering and vandalism.

I read this post again and again and yet I could not find any part really talking on politic, neither could I find any statement criticize any race. KYY is merely compare S'pore to M'sia and make proposal to sell Kelantan sand in order to solve Kelantan recurring flood problem. What is going wrong ?

Up_down, I heard from my relative who is small holder to oil palm estate, for the past many months, harvest or not harvest fruit make no different because the profit just enough to cover wages pay to workers. Unless they use fixed wages workers, they would rather leave fruit not harvested. This might be the explanation why FFB data declines.

Anyone knows about this news http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed-companies/company-announcements/1912769 ?

Are they going to run the share or run away ?

same boss like rsawit ?

why today drop so much ?

Who is the guy so desperate just to sell 1000 units at 1.22 ?

if big fish dumping should have announcement on subst holding change, this one nothing is mentioned.

"只有21家油氣公司被泛馬傘計劃選中" --- who are these lucky companies ?

should change the marketing chief, launch irix to compete with myvy, wat a joke. perodua is smart to check mate using axia.