haha... sxckperformer must be blind.. i have told him that the Evergreen management just announced their dividend policy (paying out at least 25% of net profit) but he ignored that...

come on la.. i do not want to make me stupid by repeating same thing over and over again...
i know u like this shxt... that is why u r manipulating ur words over and over again...

he does not know how evergreen will grow but acts like he knows everything... many of us here already pointed out to him and shown him proof of the expansion/internal restructuring plan that evergreen is doing.. he just pretends did not see that... sad for loser like him...

and he still talks about those nonsense 200 average moving price etc...

He claimed himself as a fundamental follower but acts like speculator...

he rather buy over-valued shares that is touching new high than buying share that is under-valued.. genius...

if not, why is he avoiding to answer my question?
and then continue with his old grandma manipulated story?

I asked him: why he purposely ignored the >RM160M cash that Evergreen has?
What is the net debt (cash - long & short term debt) / equity ratio?
I have actually told him that is about 0.039 or 3.9% of net debt/equity..

where is the so called massive debt.. until today, he still acts like pondan who avoids my question...


i feel sad for him to be such a no-bxll loser...

his manipulated words are definitely serving his own agenda to sabotage evergreen.
why would he wanna do this?

2 possible reasons:

1) Want to promote HEVEA (where he is probably stuck in) by sabotaging evergreen
2) Want to pull down Evergreen share price so that he can buy cheaply...

annoyed1, we need you back... this sxckperformer needs to be scolded by ppl like u and me...

haha... this sxckperformer talks like expert but actually knows nothing...

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he keeps running away from our valid questions/challenges, but continues his grandma manipulated story...

typical LOSER!!!

sorry guys... pardon me for reposting what i mentioned earlier on...


just want to show this idixt sxckperformer again.. since he has no balls to answer yet as of today

having said so above, if 2017 operation cash flow improves similar like what it did in 2016... it will have offset all debts with its cash & cash equivalents....

sxckperformer... where is ur so-called "MASSIVE" debts?

stop manipulating info with your bad own agenda (trying to sabotage evergreen, then promote HEVEA)...

that is a very mean way... pui...

Based on latest Q4 2016 report:
Net debt (cash - long term debt - short term debt) = -44.95M

Net Cash flow generated from operations = 238.368M...

net change in cash & cash equivalents (from 2015 to 2016) = 43.737M

wow... so-called "MASSIVE" debts...

haha... mr debt aka sxckperformer becomes the unanimous enemy of this forum now, bcoz of his cxck-talking...

answer me first,


Based on latest Q4 2016 report:
Net debt (cash - long term debt - short term debt) = -44.95M

Total equity = $1151.217M

net debt/equity = 0.039 or 3.9% gearing only


why is this called "MASSIVE" debt?

no-balls to answer?

monkey calling human beings as monkeys....

yes, that is the deed of a loser monkey

having said so above, if 2017 operation cash flow improves similar like what it did in 2016... it will have offset all debts with its cash & cash equivalents....

sxckperformer... where is ur so-called "MASSIVE" debts?

stop manipulating info with your bad own agenda (trying to sabotage evergreen, then promote HEVEA)...

that is a very mean way... pui...

this is for the idixt sxckperformer who classified evergreen's debt as MASSIVE:

Based on latest Q4 2016 report:
Net debt (cash - long term debt - short term debt) = -44.95M

Net Cash flow generated from operations = 238.368M...

net change in cash & cash equivalents (from 2015 to 2016) = 43.737M

wow... so-called "MASSIVE" debts...

RAIDER... a minor correction for you... the latest report shows that total debts have reduced, while total cash has increased...

Based on latest Q4 2016 report:
Net debt (cash - long term debt - short term debt) = -44.95M

Total equity = $1151.217M

net debt/equity = 0.039 or 3.9% gearing only (not 6%)

haha... hi annoyed1... good one...

sxckperformer is indeed a loser... i have proven his multiple times that the net debt/equity is very very low.. but he just ignored that and keeps repeating the old grandma story...

this guy has his own agenda...

trying to promoto HEVEA by sabotaging EVERGREEN...


that it too obvious...

loser acts like loser...

that is why many of us are MAD at him!!!

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he must be too worried that Evergreen will eat into HEVEA's RTA market so he is trying to sabotage evergreen with all sorts of nonsense...

caught red-handed again!!!

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great record TheContrarian if that is real...

but u probably just missed a great chance by not investing in Evergreen...

nvm, no point arguing now.. time will prove.. let's see..

sxckperformer.. why u so double standard one?
I thought you said cash rich company must be good and must buy (regardless of its current share price whether it is already overpriced or not)...

on one side, u r promoting HEVEA (net cash) so badly (as you are stuck and are looking for an exit)... on one side, you are asking ppl to sell another cash rich company (HOMERIZ)...

ur intention and motive is very clear...

1) HEVEA - stuck.. needs help to lift the price to exit
2) HOMERIZ - trying to enter at cheaper price (just like what u did on Evergreen?)

caught red-handed!!!!!!!

he is deeply stuck in HEVEA so he is promoting this share so badly... and is trying to sabotage other share just bcoz he thinks this would help lift the HEVEA price... so idixtic... haha

loser sxckperformer is here singing his clown song again... how pathetic he is...

Dear TheContrarian:

You mentioned that "For the past six months I have not made less than 30% in any counter I have invested"... i would choose to believe that... but what is your track record beyond six months of time?

I am not challenging you but since you are boasting on your "current" achievement, i would like to understand more.. yes, i noticed that you earned a big chuck back in 17 years ago but anyone "betting" right that time would make millions of dollars...(and many who bet wrongly went bankrupt too as share market was then too volatile with too much "frying" as info was not easily obtained)

I am not sure if there are too many stale bulls who bought at higher price and are unable to exit.
I do not care all this too.

What I care is whether the company can deliver and bring us profit on the share price appreciation..

if you had done sufficient homework (instead of making decision just based on the comments here), you would not have said so...

just my 2 cents...

p/s: I have also been in the share market for many years with commendable return so far... but i am not going to boast on that unless really needed to...

csan, how did you come up with yr TP of RM4.28?

Mind to share?

everyone has own way of calculating the intrinsic value. I have shown mine above.. would like to see how you got to yours...

what we commented here can give u a ground to start off your own analysis.. that is the point here..

haha... i looked into "TheContrarian" profile and he claimed himself as "advanced investor"...

haha... so-called "advanced investor" can be so easily influenced by the nonsense/cxck-talk of sxckperformer?

if that is the case, everyone can be "super advanced investor".... haha


Dear TheContrarian,
Do you really understand investment?
have you studied Evergreen's every quarterly report and annual report for at least 5-7 years?
Have u done any own analysis or just listen to others to decide?
I am not asking you to trust me or sxckperformer or anyone else here 100%.. but pls do ur own homework before u even talked some rubbish:

I had earlier wanted to buy Evergreen but after reading comments I decided otherwise

so r u saying that you just buy/sell shares based on others' comments? no own analysis? pitiful enough...

RAIDER... what u just said, i have said it many times... but this stupid sxckperformer is such a loser who never wants to admit his mistake in investment...
loser like this will never learn new things and will never improve.. sometimes i pity him a lot...

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stockraider: When u just start expand business of course margin is lower mah....bcos the profitable business subsidize the start up like particle board and rta mah.....!!
Once acceleration start u would see....the great expansion of profit loh....!!
Buy when it is cheap & undervalue mah....!!

hi farker sxckperformer... this is evergreen forum.. what the fx r u doing to promote ur HEVEA here?

u can discuss evergreen here but dun use this channel to talk about ur rubbish stock HEVEA...

as I have mentioned and proven it many times that HEVEA is over-valued...


At least i can see that our new-comer "coecoe" has some wisdom over you (pure stupidity)...

coecoe agrees that Evergreen has much room to grow as compared to HEVEA...

still dun get it? really idixtic...

haha... balvin71 is very sarcastic, i like that....

this means what?

2016 net increase in cash and cash equivalents is almost equivalent to 2016 net debt...

and dun forget if their revenue and cash flow improve in 2017/18, the net increase in cash will be higher can offset net debt... and maybe will have net cash...

brilliant sxckperformer... learn thing and stop ur cxck talk...

this is for the idixt sxckperformer who classified evergreen's debt as MASSIVE:

Based on latest Q4 2016 report:
Net debt (cash - long term debt - short term debt) = -44.95M

Net Cash flow generated from operations = 238.368M...

net change in cash & cash equivalents (from 2015 to 2016) = 43.737M

wow... so-called "MASSIVE" debts...

suggest me to cut loss? I am not making any paper loss, where to cut loss? funny...

even if i am making paper loss, i wont cut loss...
Evergreen is a potential share with >50% gain by end of this year/early next year.. just wait and see..

haha... Mags is another joker + loser, add a number to Sxckperformer's gang...

Mags, let me ask u... did u really study Evergreen's past reports?

Who told you that the debt is ballooning? just bcoz u listened to this idixt sxckperformer? or r u the same person using different ID?

Look at their latest report, both short term and long term debts have reduced, but cash has increased...

where is such nonsense the debt is increasing?

their cash from operation is also increasing...

use ur brain a bit la.. dun just listen blindly to idixt.. unless u r another bigger idixt...

u better sau pei la...

u have been saying that you are givng facts...
come on la. dun laugh die me...

even new-comer myongcc5 can tell who has wisdom and who is just a jerk...

very obvious la.. stop tweaking and manipulating ur so-called "facts" la plz... it is very digusting u know?

to me, u r just a low-class kindergarten kid who does not even understand basic accounting ratios, but boasts like a PHD graduate... not disgusting meh? pui!!!!

and again ya.. ur grandma story:

- look at the massive DEBT now...
- look at the share price now...

are u blind or what?

U have not read my explanations?

Massive debt? r u kidding me? what is its net debt/equity ratio?
share price now? SPECULATOR... i dun care the price now.. i care when it can reach in mid to long term...

this is the main difference betw me (value investor) and you (loser speculator)

haha... sxckperformer aka know-everything-god...

how did u know someone here used margin/borrow money to buy evergreen?

you must be GOD.. haha...

then why u dare not swear with ur balls on all the fake accusations you had made?

where are ur balls? eaten by doggies?

u r right myongcc5.. i seldom trust analysts from any investment banks...
most of the time they are helping some tycoons to promote shares... but u can read as reference.. then analyze on ur own to decide.. no harm..

just like what i tell u.. dun trust me.. do ur own homework... ^^

there are 2 things that i can understand from what you wrote:
1) first, you acknowledge/admit that Evergreen's fundamentals are strong
2) second, as mentioned above, you feel that these nice numbers are "shit / fake" and not real... are u the auditor of evergreen's account? you have audited their accounts and found out they made fake numbers? if yes, please flag this to SC, pls ya....

else, stop talking cxck... u lose money in Evergreen as you fully deserve it, LOSER!!!

To Mags:

from what you wrote and on your act of cutting loss... i can tell that you are a complete loser..
haha.. pls la.. write something more informative and constructive.. not shxt or nonsense..

u r just a typical short-term speculator who does not even understand what investment is all about...

come, meet your friend sxckperformer here...

he is buying into a fairly priced-in stock.. we are buying into a undervalued stock..

that is the main difference...

haha... raider.. no matter how u advise this idixt to avoid HEVEA.. he is so stubborn and stupxd and wont listen one la...

nvm la.. let him buy his HEVEA we buy our evergreen.... lets see the results by year end...

thanks for ur compliment myongcc5.. but there are still some idioxts like sxckperformer who claims himself as "star"performer.. to me, he sxcks big time.. big big time..

talk like fundamental sifu.. but act like kindergarten level speculator

myongcc5, great to see u here...

u scroll up all my post on evergreen.. u will know whether what i said is correct or wrong...

watch out.. this sxckperformer is a sissy pondan.. always manipulate info and try to mislead ppl...

why? i think he wanna press down the price to collect cheaper.. else why waste so much time here?

another reason is he owns a lot of HEVEA (stuck with a loss).. so he wanna promote HEVEA and badmouth Evergreen...

but i think he is an idixt lo.. even if ppl dun buy Evergreen, they will not necesssarily buy HEVEA...

fx u sxckperformer.. dun try to creat fear in this counter.. at least i am not using margin to invest..

i am pure investor.. not like u speculator.. only speculator like u use margin to "bet"...

see the difference betw me and you?

Me (value investor) - invest (for mid to long term)
you (sxck speculator) - bet (short term)

conclusion:

Overall core business & fundamentals remain strong and intact...

can someone prove what I wrote above is not correct?!!!!

let me give u guys a deeper dive/analysis on the latest result to see if what sxckperformer accused is right or wrong (that the fundamentals/core business has become worse)

REVENUE Q4 2016 vs Q4 2015 : 262788 vs 264212 (very slight and insignificant change)
Profit before Tax Q4 2016 vs Q4 2015: 20,389 vs 20,962 (again, very slight change)

see now.. the main difference is the taxation (nothing to do with their core business).

TAX Q4 2016 vs Q4 2015 : -3863 vs +286 (due to deferred tax this quarter)...

besides that, some very stupid so-called investors just look at EPS:

EPS Q4 2016 vs Q4 2015: 2.11 vs 3.74... why different so much? As i had mentioned to you earlier.. do some homework la pls... there was bonus issue in 2016 so the total shares increased. actually if you adjusted 2015 EPS, it will be lower than 3.74...