The prices of share falling to unreasonable level during bear market is mainly triggered by force selling in margin accounts. It's not holders wanted to get rid of their shares at super cheap price.

Keep track the records in daily basis and compile a monthly and yearly reports. FF has exited Bursa RM 13. 87 billion since 1 May 2018.

Waiting trend of FF to re-enter Bursa again.

CharlesT > Oct 30, 2018 09:50 AM | Report Abuse

Yeap. Its happening now

The question is how much more can it go lower...

10%? 20% 30%? 50%? Suspended at 0.04 like MPCorp and then delisted?

Bro, Don't set too much limitations on ourselves. there are many counters outside for us to grab. Not all in one basket la.


Posted by CharlesT > Oct 30, 2018 11:32 AM | Report Abuse

I started to buy when there is 50% discount...buy again when there is another 50% discount...what if it drops by 90%?

I bought too early in 2018 as I followed WB timing...so I didn't make much.

I am tracking few hundred counters earnings now. Majority are still trending downward...so I am waiting patiently now. Many DJ big corporations earnings are expected hitting peak in the end of this year. Nothing much interesting in 2019 liao.

Posted by CharlesT > Oct 30, 2018 11:30 AM | Report Abuse

Bro up down i made a mistake in 2007 ...when mkt laosai during nov m dec 2007 many were waiting for bigger correction which they believed will happy in mid 2008 which never happen

So now i buy phase by phase

80 cents is good buy since it's merely 20% of the peak price.

CharlesT Bro, Not really. DJ is holding my excitement. I am waiting US to kanasai before re entering the market in bullish mode. Will wait and see things to happen in next 6 to 12 months.

Apply margin of safety to shop during super mega sales....pay max 25% of peak share price for counters without near term good prospects.

Youngsters are over pampered by their parents and surrounded with environment making them to take things for granted. We can’t put the entire blame on them. It’s merely the consequences of our material society.

Never underestimate the vacuum created by FF. It may form a liquidity crunch in Bursa which would trigger selling down of share margin holders. The effects is contagious and we see many counters may trade at unreasonable low multiple PER.

Developing country like that one. Wealth shifting the ownership when political has changed. If not, it's not fair to the big supporters of PH in many previous GE. Better stand sideline to watch the show.

PH government officer loves spooking game....Dr M, LGE, BNM governor. All in the same gang. Want to crash the market and follow by their cronies to collect cheap cheap ka.

Who else got money to collect KLCI index tickets from EPF?

KLCI is now under the control of EPF and local funds. It won’t drop much even though DJ crashing as FF share holding is negligible now. But it’s hard to say for mid and small cap.

Dr. M asked rakyat to buy shares when KLCI was staying at 700 points. Few months later, the index slumped to 268 points. It was a big joke. Many investors or traders got burned kao kao.

Posted by newbie4444 > Oct 28, 2018 04:24 PM | Report Abuse

Why in 1998 KLCI drop to 268 pts if foreigners held lots of M'sian stocks true? Hold more not mean less drop?

Posted by Junichiro > Oct 28, 2018 04:19 PM | Report Abuse
Back in 1998, foreigners held lots of M'sian stocks. Now, foreigners hold a negligible amt of M'sian stocks.

CharlesT. 我地要見識下大蛇屙屎.

Warm and cosy trap is actual quite scarified to traders.....cooking frogs in a slow cooker.

Well written. A real investor won't really care about market volatility in short term and mid term. He doesn't even interested in looking at the screen board. It's non of his business to analyze more. so....be mindful... to determine whether you a trader or investor deep in your mind.

Retailers are the biggest supporters in Bursa now. Good but it could be more volatile when external markets move in opposite direction. They trend to be more emotional in response to bad news. Bursa is alike sandwich... no good news from government to boost confidence and weak external market factors. We are in the middle. Awaiting DJ to plunge 4 digits in near future. Waiting big bear.....there are many counters dropping below 25% of the peak prices.

So nice to expect receiving bonus in the year end. I used to do that. Now, I only can hope Mr. Market would give me bonus before new year. No chance for me to top up during crash if I have fully invested. Haha

Posted by Jon Choivo > Oct 23, 2018 12:47 PM | Report Abuse

Im 100% in for my portfolio. Haha i dont mind if prices go down even more. Just stay down at least untill my bonus out. After bonus want to go lower also ok, just dont go up before next month salary out hahah.

3 PE for airasia. really no need think so much, just whack only.

Im applying for margin, but only 30% of portfolio value. It may clear by end of this month.

Quite taxing to me so I would rather let go those opportunities. It takes time and money to acquire another set of skill. I kena burned in CPO, KLCI future, warrants few years ago. I found Value trade shares is more suitable to me in mid term.

I haven’t reached that stage yet. My mind hasn’t been fine tuning to punting ability. Wakaka

You could be good at punting during bearish market. I have reached that stage yet. lolz

Posted by VenFx > Oct 23, 2018 12:09 PM | Report Abuse

LayHong is one of my LT counter ...
First in 0.535 ,
2nd 0.420
3rd ? ... 0.350 Hope it may or wont come,hahaha!
Up to Mr Market lo !

You have invested 80% of your capital. It is considered quite bullish to me. I am slightly bullish in selective counters based on the structure below.

100% Capital - Super Bullish
75% Capital - Moderate Bullish
50% Capital - Mid point
25% Capital - Moderate Bearish
0% Capital - Super Bearish


Posted by VenFx > Oct 23, 2018 12:06 PM | Report Abuse

Posted by Up_down > Oct 23, 2018 11:40 AM | Report Abuse

VenFx sifu is acting aggressively. I'm slightly defensive and waiting more counters to come down in next few months.

ME:Up_ bro,
I aggressive meh ?
30% for punting , 50% LT position ...
Recently punt, gamuda ranhill hibi panpage ,
Today punt armada @$0.410 ...wait shark coming in and run ...
Sayang klci soft.

Maybe I'm agressively too. Thx bro to remind

VenFx sifu is acting aggressively. I'm slightly defensive and waiting more counters to come down in next few months.

It’s a norm...kanasai...If we don’t have a strategy to manage our own excessive greedy. This is the consequences of not being mindfully before taking an action.

Awaiting another good QR announcement next month.

Another sad case for believing in luck punting big. Learn to be a pro gambler first before engaging a sailang strategy la.

Simple life for a single and available....errr.. a bit simple for not trying something funny while you are young and minimal commitment. lolz.

SB. It costs 30 years for Japan to recover from property bubbles bursted. Let's see how long it would take for Chinese government to tackle this issue.

China property market seems crashing recently.

房子用來住不是用來炒」深圳取消預售屋制度？
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwZ9lux_C1Y&t=626s

CCP is good in idealistic when everyone got no money and property. But things change when they open up. People become very greedy and do whatever means it takes in order to grab more power and money...

Western countries are worry China exploiting technology massive including AI surpassing them. China may use such technologies to control world in the end.

Posted by Speedy Boy > Oct 21, 2018 02:44 PM | Report Abuse

I don't know if Xi is good leader or not! But staying power for a super long time will corrupt ones morality! Look at Mahathir, he doesn't understand how his obsession had destroy Malaysia! China used to have 2 terms limit but now Xi can stay on until the end of the world since decades from now, China would possess or stolen technology that keep his head alive and ruling China!

Exactly. No security of your property under CCP. It's up to them (not base on law). If Trump does not take this opportunity to hit China hard, they may not have such a good opportunity next time. It's about world democracy supremacy...Not CCP in future world. The trade war is going to be long if China keeps resisting to revamp. The politic is even worse under Xi... One person rule the country until his dead.

Posted by Speedy Boy > Oct 21, 2018 02:30 PM | Report Abuse

In China, the moment you write anti CCP comment, minutes later rouge officers will be on your door crashing it down! Of course those who don't care about politics will have a great time! But for those who try to introduce 'diverted' opinions, China is not for you! And this is what US is fighting because once China dominate they, democracy is dead, around the world!

That's the main reason for US to pull China down. Trade war is just part of the issue.

Posted by Speedy Boy > Oct 21, 2018 01:58 PM | Report Abuse

Posted by Up_down > Oct 21, 2018 01:41 PM | Report Abuse

It's good to US suppressing China from progressing high speed now. US is still the country able to keep stability of the world. Important is they preach democracy. What would happen if China becomes Taiko in the world? Can you accept them to export CCP values and corrupted government practices worldwide?

Answer : Actually this is what some still don't understand! Once US become poor and dominated by CCP, democracy will cease to exist! CCP has been exporting their values to Africa! Eventually Africa will become another authoritarian nation! Then again, what do Malaysia know about democracy since we are still rule by 'tuan melayu'!

Speedy. Now, people still don't know how China government control their folks. Their movements are eying by AI under CCTV. lolz

It's good to US suppressing China from progressing high speed now. US is still the country able to keep stability of the world. Important is they preach democracy. What would happen if China becomes Taiko in the world? Can you accept them to export CCP values and corrupted government practices worldwide?

Venfx. It’s time for our new government to prove their ability after taking over the power. They need to get MACC to take real actions against the corrupted officers.

It’s not up to gomen to say this and that. It’s the MACC duty to investigate the complaint.

Good day is over for those companies enjoying lucrative contracts from government. Time to cut the contract margin or else we, rakyat, have to bear more additional tax to cover the budget shortfalls in future.

It’s time for MACC to enlarge their manpower and speed up the investigation since there are too many involved in big scale corruption. Charge them without delay so as to get back the money to cover our coffers.

No point lip service. Get the MACC to investigate them one by one to show the real power of PH government.

Great! It’s time to charge the corrupted warlords. Good to see our government top officials keep quiet and let MACC to handle the investigation.

The central believe of CCP ‘打土豪分田地’ has not even changed until nowadays. Folks are still worried their properties taking back by government in one day.

The main issue is the rich Chinese reluctant to trust CCP. The dream is trying hard to earn as much as possible and migrate to Western countries once opportunity available. It indicates that China is not a good place for a living. How a country can be number 1 when their folks keep dreaming moving out of their homeland when they become rich?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/05/more-than-a-third-of-chinese-millionaires-want-to-leave-china.html

Bursa Geng! KLCI stay at 1700 level even though Foreign Funds (FF) are running out of Bolehland like no tomorrow. We are on track to achieve lowest FF shareholding in year 2009. RM 4.9 billion of shares to go to hit the target.

FF sold Bursa shares worth RM 28.8 billion since 1 Jan 2014. Don't worry about KLCI. Good news is ....It won't drop much even if DJ stages another correction of 50% cause our economy is moving ahead of US.

We also worry of tax returns. You have to keep the records for 7 years. It's rather complex to compile unless you have set up a system strictly. Quite taxing if you are a frequent traders.

If one earnings 100% profits in the market share market during bull run for 5 years and paying CGT. But good time won't last for long and he suffer 50% loss in 6th year alone. Is it CGT sufficient to kill an investor?

What would happen to RM against USD if FF dispose another RM 10 billion of shares? Forex 5.0 is not a myth lor..really no eye see.

If our listed companies earnings on the rising trend, FF and retailers may not really mind for paying CGT. But our corporate earnings sucks and yet PH government intends to levy CGT. They seems being LCLY lor.