Better to avoid imposing capital gain tax. It’s great if PH government could increase sin tax, sugar tax..

GST is the best solution and effective way of collecting tax. PH is moving backwards for applying SST.

RM is expected to weaken against USD further in tandem with CNY depreciation due to trade war getting intense. Good to stick with export related counters maintaining growth.

Gamuda Geng! A local construction company dared to fight back with the government. If the company were located in US then it might not have to worry much in government intervention. This is Boleh Land man....is it smart enough to mess up with the government?

OK. Buy la since CharlesT sifu said so.

Gross premium earned seems trending downward since past 3 quarters in its reinsurance and takaful business whereas Takaful has been doing quite well recently. What had happened to MNRB?

Posted by CharlesT > Oct 5, 2018 11:10 AM | Report Abuse

Up Down proceeds fm rights issues shall be used for biz expansion... bsides price oredi drop a lot ever since july...worths a look

CharlesT. EPS is diluted heavily after completing right Issues. Any potential big improvement in earnings?

We conditioned our mind to hold longer period so long as the company is able to maintain its growth in earnings. Why want to sell early?....unless the share price shot up and PER reaching 30x. Currently, it’s traded at PER 15x and cheap cheap in comparison with glove sector. Lolz

Yeah. We can keep SAM for the next few years.

Go Go Go! Time to move upwards after price has completed consolidation recently.

3i portfolio is really outstanding during bear market. Investors are being risks adversed in the bad times with the priority of capital protection. This is another proven track record for consumer staple business. It won't last for long. Many companies have been badly hit by surging in commodity prices in past 2 years. We are waiting up cycle bottom line in second liners.

Market could stage a rally after hitting lower than expected tariffs. Trump doesn't dare to pop the DJ bubble. Wall street traders love him creating market volatility through his big mouth. It could be a good opportunity for his friends to snap up cheap stocks in China now.

Trump got no ball to hit with 25% tariffs but at least 15% la. 10% is somewhat ludicrous. He has been talking coke so much for few months and chicken out in the end.

Beware of pre-operation costs while the new factories put into operation. It may eat up the profits contributed by the existing plants.

Time...is Life .....is $$$. We may have the tendency of putting our time in $$$ form. Count how much time and money worth before having a fun with family. How much $$$ costs for sleeping and rest.....this we call it LIFE? Lolz

Posted by EngineeringProfit > Sep 15, 2018 05:34 PM | Report Abuse

And TIME .....in a way.....is LIFE

It doesn’t mean getting sack. There are more conditions besides getting sack. Hard to say la.

Posted by probability > Sep 15, 2018 10:13 PM | Report Abuse

getting sacked you mean...i am just hoping that will takes place sooner than later...

so that i dont have any guilts..he he

Probability. What I meant is “ the minimum capital requirements stated by Icon.

Back to reality in business. People are making money in stock market. better look for good counter to buy now.

Why our leaders scare about RM heading south? RM Depreciation doesn’t mean not good to certain extent. At least it makes our export products more competitive since we are an exporting country.

We can’t say he is wrong. It’s also a fact by making a comparison in different period. Next time, they would move back dated further ie 2016, 2015 and 1998. Lolz

You guys are too updated to latest news. His statement is purported addressing to kampungman.

Yeah. More counters will join penny league soon. Many companies would post another lackluster QR in next 2 months. Government cut Capex and no growth driver. Nothing to expect other than Foreign Funds keeps leaving Bursa.

Chinese is seen more successful and competitive relatively to Malay largely due to the discrimination policies. Without protectism of Malay, I don't think Chinese able to enjoy 'syiok' comparing to other races. It would bring harm to the country in long term. The political leaders should stop attacking laziness of other race as it is the end results of over protectism policies created by them. They have to find a good solution to fix it.

It depends on the industry and the growth of the company. sometimes, we use debtor turnover ratio and inventory turnover ratio to understand the operation risks. Cross checking between turnover, debtor, inventory and borrowing to identify abnormalities and finding out reasons behind. it's part of the risk assessment.


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probability Inclusion of others should not undermine or cloud the value of PE..

Posted by 3iii > Sep 12, 2018 07:50 PM | Report Abuse

PE should not be used in isolation.
12/09/2018 19:52

Management integrity is the primary priority for studying future earnings. If a company management team is not reliable then we may have to call it a day.....unless we want to punt a share based on management intention (ulterior motive) to goreng it.


Posted by probability > Sep 12, 2018 07:22 PM | Report Abuse

when we talk about P/E ...we should not talk about the observed E...we should talk about the E generation potential (x).....

I rather spend all my energy for this single variable x...then talking about other observed variables (y,z,m,n,a,b,c,d) like Debt level, cash flow, ROE or ROIC, management personality, etc...

Exactly. We still have to drive to the destination even though uncertainty is ahead of us. It depends how we monitor the risks over the journey. We can stop temporarily to take a mindful breath of fresh air during the way. We can stop and overnight in the hotel if the risks higher (very tired). .....

Posted by probability > Sep 12, 2018 07:50 PM | Report Abuse

yup....the current earnings provides one of the greatest certainty about the future earnings provided one is well aware why is the current earnings are as such.

Its like when you are driving on a road you still need to consider the present traffic level in front of you to estimate your arrival time...though there is no way u can predict with certainty how the traffic level would be just after another 200 meter ahead..

HY is still trading at low PER today but it can’t fool the market without any factual to support earnings in the next 6 months. How’s the crack spread now and projected EPS in next 2 quarters? Investors or traders are not fool nowadays.

<<<Posted by Up_down > Sep 12, 2018 07:43 PM | Report Abuse

‘ low PER’ doesn’t mean a good buy. ‘ high PER ‘ doesn’t mean not a good buy. It all depends on potential future earnings and the prospect of the whole industry or regional market. If we apply PER rigidly, we may expose to higher risks. Where got so simple to apply PER approach to make money through trading. Lolz
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Why was Hengyuan trading at low PE last year just before otb "promoted" it?

What is Hengyuan's PE today?

‘ low PER’ doesn’t mean a good buy. ‘ high PER ‘ doesn’t mean not a good buy. It all depends on potential future earnings and the prospect of the whole industry or regional market. If we apply PER rigidly, we may expose to higher risks. Where got so simple to apply PER approach to make money through trading. Lolz

Future E earnings is important to determine the price of shares now. Without current earnings actual figures, it’s rather difficult to project (not extrapolate) the earnings base on the conditions or trend in next 6 months. We have to consider conditions to monitor the risks in projecting future earnings ie Commodity price trend (raw materials), government regulations, Forex rate, turnover trend, interest rate (gearing), contracts, taxation.....many variables.

You have been following WB for long time. You have never got enough real experienced in buying stocks with low PER. To apply PER in trading or investing, you need to do a lot of homework for comparison of companies within industry, peers, market as a whole and etc. sometimes, we use adjusted PER to exclude exceptional item or uncommon item, reliability of management, working out potential future earnings by considering conditions of the market or industry.....Not so straightforward as you think ‘ low PER ‘ alone for buying shares. It is about relativity whether expensive or cheap in making a comparison with others at a point of time. It’s hard for you to have a full grasp in exploiting PER approach besides theoretically.

Posted by 3iii > Sep 12, 2018 06:25 PM | Report Abuse

Don't use the PE ratio

The price to earnings ratio (PE) s the most commonly used valuation yardstick by investors.

It is very easy to calculate.

PE ratio = share price / earnings per share (EPS)


In simple terms, shares with high PE ratios are seen as being expensive whilst those with low ones are seen as being cheaper.

Despite its simplicity, PE ratio has many pitfalls that can give investors a misleading view of how cheap or expensive some share really are.

The PE ratio's drawbacks are all to do with the "E" or EPS, part of the calculation


1. EPS is easy to manipulate.

Companies can boost EPS by changing accounting policies.

For example, they can extend the useful lives of fixed assets such as plant and machinery, which lowers the depreciation expense and boosts profits.

2. EPS says nothing about the quality of profits.

It doesn't take into account whether profits have changed due to sales of existing products or services - the best source of profits growth - or whether the company has invested heavily in new assets or bought another company (acquisition).

Share buybacks boost EPS by shrinking the number of shares outstanding, even if profits are static or shrinking. Buyback can be done when the shares are expensive. By paying too much, a large chunk of shareholder value is destroyed; the cash spent is wasted.

3. EPS may not resemble true cash profits.

Quite often a company's true cash profits are significantly more or less than its EPS (more often less).

4. EPS may be based on profits that are unsustainably high or temporarily low.

This means that the PE ratio could be misleadingly low or high.

This is a particular problem for cyclical companies.



Summary:

For the above reasons, EPS can be unreliable and you should not rely on PE alone.

Once again, PE has may pitfalls that can give investors a misleading view of how cheap or expensive some shares really are.

Nothing wrong for using PER as a basic benchmark for comparison purposes. This ratio is easily understood by investors. It’s very useful when we want to do priminary screening before get into the details to study further. There are many conditions affecting the share price movement besides PER. Low PER is normally more attractive to investors since it offers certain degree of reliable earnings at the present moment. But business operation may get better of worse tomorrow.

Speedyboy. When majority of Malay becomes more independent, we can expect Malaysia economy to have a big leap. You see Indonesia. There are catching up now even though Malay is majority of the population. Are we waiting Indonesia to overtake us before realizing this facts? Malay can a wonder but it’s just their own leader suppressing their potential through education system.

Resources are deployed mostly for supporting Malay elites rather than serving the needs of poor and improving education quality to enhance competitiveness. Their intention is to create a crutch with an ulterior motive of protecting elites. The government has spent much money in education to churn out graduates unable to meet the demand in commercial business for employment.

Dr. M is suitable PM for the sakes of political stability during the transitional period. He can’t do any reforms for Malaysia. Anwar is a better choice for reforming Malaysia whether political or economy.

Education investment is long term policy. We can’t even see a good results in next 5 years even though major revamp were taken now. Focus in savings alone is not enough for our economy. You may see PH bombard by BN for slow economy growth. What’s the growth driver or momentum for our economy? With such bleak economy outlook, foreign talent don’t even consider get back to Malaysia.

Posted by stockraider > Sep 11, 2018 11:55 AM | Report Abuse

Msian govt don know how to spend effectively loh....!!
Just look at our education....spend so much....still very poor standard loh....better just focus on savings....savings....bcos we need to paydown the debts mah....!!

Malaysia GDP will be heading downtrend soon. The government is waiting our neighbor countries (Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam) to catch up on par with us before moving up further.

Our country top officials keep talking savings for the country through mega cutting projects. It’s a good sign to avoid bankruptcy risks due to overspending. Most people know savings is important and resources needed to exploit effectively. Focus too much in savings won’t bring us to anywhere. Besides savings, what our government can do to attract FDI? Why PH government won’t come out a more favorable policies for foreigners to invest in Malaysia whether direct or indirect investment? By looking at the talks of our PM, I feel our government likes closed door policies for the sakes of their political agenda.

Quantum physics & consciousness

https://youtu.be/HiAj7S6ko9Q

The government should come out friendly policies to attract more FDI. Many big companies are moving out from China. Don’t talk racial politic or lcly scare away foreign investors since our future economy growth is partly contributed by them.

Your area slightly more aggressive than me. My cash level stays at 15% only.

CPteh. Be mindful of what are you doing. After years of talking negative sentiments, hope you have not developed panophobia mode. You keep talking crash regardless of market bull run or bear time. Pity of your real life....don’t really know what are you seeking for other than crash.

I have never said it can be decided entirely by us where we want to go out of this earth. It’s nothing more than a personal or collective belief. I am not saying no good for having such a belief but it’s out reach of our real experience in the earth.

Posted by hoolahoo > Sep 10, 2018 10:22 AM | Report Abuse

Up_down, we do not decide, the one above decide when the time comes for you and me. It's like the The Parable about the Ten Bridesmaids. Mat 25:1-10 At that time, the kingdom from heaven will be comparable to ten bridesmaids who took their oil lamps and went out to meet the groom. Now five of them were foolish, and five were wise, because when the foolish ones took their lamps, they didn't take any oil with them. But the wise ones took flasks of oil with their lamps. Since the groom was late, all of them became sleepy and lay down. But at midnight there came a shout: 'The groom is here! Come out to meet him!' Then all the bridesmaids woke up and got their lamps ready. But the foolish ones told the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out!' "But the wise ones replied, 'No There will never be enough for us and for you. You'd better go the the dealers and buy some for yourselves.' "While they were away buying it, the groom arrived, Those who were ready went with him into the wedding banquet, and the door was closed. Later, the other bridesmaids arrived and said, 'Lord, Lord, open up for us!' "But he replied, 'I tell all of you with certainty, I don't know you!"

tksw. I did not say I would go heaven. I don’t know whether heaven or hell exists or not. It is entirely out of my real life experience. What I want is to focus my experience in this earth NOW. I am not interested to know where I go after the end of my life.

Posted by tksw > Sep 10, 2018 11:53 AM | Report Abuse

Up_Down sifu, you go first la...but how sure you can go heaven? it is not you to decide oh.... like come to this world, not your decision to make....

I heard someone said " why we delay our trip to heaven since it is so nice to live? why not decide it now." lolz

Avoiding earthquake or natural disaster... The conditions are not available for everyone to move out before it happens and much depending on their own actions. Where do you want to hide since there are many natural disaster going to happen as predicted? ..bedsides earthquake, there are wild fire causes by weather changes, artic ice melting result sea level increase at faster paces...no ending as earth is not an heaven where you expect stability for long long time. If you accept the reality, you would have a peaceful mind, you won't care much whether it will happen or going to be happened.


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Precisely,

It is BY KNOWING THAT WE LIVE WITH CONFIDENCE

Like if you drive a fast car make sure your seat belt is working

If you go up in Airplane make sure got parachute

If go dive deep sea make sure got enough oxygen in the tank

If you live till 100 years old make sure you got enough savings to last that long without depending on children or welfare

SO THIS POST HELP IN 2 THINGS

1) MIGHT SAVE THOSE WHO AVOID EARTHQUAKE ZONES

2) SOME MIGHT GO TO HEAVEN IN STEAD OF HELL (www.chick.com)
09/09/2018 20:31

Calvin is living in the fear environment created by he himself. Don’t spread those negative ‘beliefs ‘ la. That’s nothing much different for us to know or not to know. Can we become more intelligent after knowing such a belief or even it becomes reality later? We have to let go whatever that is out of our control. Living HERE and NOW is more realistic. Wakaka

Congrats. Your mind must be more peaceful than others. It’s not easy to overcome fear factor in such conditions.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > Sep 8, 2018 11:53 PM | Report Abuse

yes...yes...

for recent..... specific examples

when layhong was down to 0.52.....many felt hopeless that it would fall endlessly

......I charged in..and it reounds profitably up to 30%

haha



similar in the case of Suoermax, Airasia, TM

(of course ....also MyEg and Dufu before that)

Probability. we can learn and apply Daolism in trading shares in i3.

Posted by probability > Sep 8, 2018 11:35 PM | Report Abuse

now only i read EngProfit comment far above..after seeing up_down comment....indeed its depicting trading accurately. Thanks EngProfit..

Exactly. With this approach, We see danger in an harmony environment. We see opportunity in the chaos conditions.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > Sep 8, 2018 11:32 PM | Report Abuse

100% correct........


(in the yin-yang chart.....black and white parts make up a full circle....

......however.....they are not mutually exclusive....

.......in fact, one can find a small white dot in the black half

and vice versa....

i.e. there is yin element in yang....and yang element in yin

(just like men have oestrogen inside them.....while women's blood got testosterone

haha)

Engineeringprofit. Good one. Your comments inspired me to think further. Ha ha