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2014-01-29 12:15 | Report Abuse
'People who have money have an obligation,' Feeney told Forbes last year. 'I wouldn’t say I’m entitled to tell them what to do with it but to use it wisely.'
'I became convinced that there was greater satisfaction from giving my money away and seeing something come out of the ground, like a hospital or a university,' he told the Financial Times last year.
Ok mr koon : hope won't be seeing another boring writeup/promotion on jtiasa eg "why I sell jtiasa for xxx shares ... Rather " why I sell jtiasa to build schools and hospitals " is most welcomed ..
At least the general/regular joe eg(muthu , Ahmad and Chong ) hear will be very happy
2014-01-29 11:56 | Report Abuse
Well everybody has opinion .
My opinion is jtiasa is nothing special until it can prove itself with real earnings .. Rather than a growth story .. Story like all politicians they can tell story but delivery zero.. Now let's not even go into politics as its more complex than share market ..
As of now it's earnings is peanuts latest qtr I think only 2 sen per share ..
Cash also not much .. I don't think this type of high geared low ,cash company.. This is my own view .. If I think jtiasa so good can also go on margin and buy ..
I have several margin account and they told me there is no value for warrant ..
Which broker give 70% - 80 % value to warrant ? Maybe I shld open another account with them..
U will always be taking huge risk when buying warrants , or any other derivatives
As for charity : most people lay low and not brag about it .. Else it's counter the charity spirit ..About philanthropy :
U can read about chuck feeney also .. He donated all his money until nearly bankrupt and remains under the radar and never brag about his wealth ..
He inspired ppl like bill gates to do charity work ..
2014-01-29 09:51 | Report Abuse
Again :
1) good counter u may follow , bad counter u shld just just ignore . Once u buy it becomes your problem
2) as I say before , what works for mr koon may not work for some other person.
Eg can u hold a warrant for so long ?
If u buy on margin and tomoro ur share drop 30% , your capital could be gone . In that case can u afford to pledge shares, cash or FD else ur share will be sold .
You can read Peter lynch book on how one day he finally realized the "risk" for buying on margin when he was ask to top up as the market tanks ..
3) I dont know if osk can give a value to warrant as the beautiful story put up above. for most banks warrants has no value and as good as u buy with upfront cash and no leverage to borrow money
4)If someone can make 30 mil, he or she could also lose 30 mil when the tide turns . Good example recently blumount , asiasons drop to worthless , and dian lee of country heights lost about rm 1 billion only . the stake she has is valued at 1 billion but few days later it' became 60 mil . .
5) usually only the good to hear story is told , bad losses are not mentioned
6)first time I hear someone refuse charity money. Mr koon if u have money can also give me to donate to many charity : for cancer , children with aids , old and disabled , There are too many . If he doesn't want , why don't u donate / buy the land else where to build the university itself ? I have relative who they not only give money but also donate huge plot of land to build the university. The university / college named one of the school hall under his name when it's completed . My cousins and relative never brag about their charity or how Rich they are ...they kept low profile
7)From the supermax examples , u can see too that u shld buy low and once it's high shld sell , if u hold on Supermax will be superbad
..as this is more theme play where our market sometimes rewards share depend on Theme like bird flu - gloves, recently some crazy report on how undervalue a company to its NTA and most property shares with perceived golden land shoot up with no reason or back by fundamentally
8) what the market had given to u in a short time , the market can also took it back
2014-01-29 00:46 | Report Abuse
Yes jtiasa is a sleepy counter .. If buy on margin kena lah do "promotion"
Else satu tahun pun rm 2 , tak gerak langsung
If its a Good shares , no need to promote it will go up on its own !! Hahahaha
2014-01-29 00:42 | Report Abuse
For the record "IOI announces about 3 months ago that they are buying about 11,900 ha of oil palm plantation from Dutaland Bhd for Rm 830 million cash = Rm 69,740 per ha" - this is a deal which didn't even happen !!
And the "shorty" IOi bosses are known to cancel deal
They also cancel to buy the menara Citibank
Using a highest "agak - agak " price as the benchmark can only means one thing
In the shortest time : he want the share to go up , write juicy report to create volume so he could dump.. U shld need to assume that he already build up large stakes before releasing the report .. If without delay that the share starts to move , not only can he :
Not only he no need to pay the 6% Bank interest on margin (holding cost )
He also may triple his profit on The leverage
And best is no need to take any risk .. Tomoro plunge his shares could be forced sold ..
So go figure the hidden motif next time before u buy or follow blindly In any recomendation
I will not criticize if the share is really good or if the reports are good : with real figures Supported by real profits and dividend
U have to think like this :If I buy on margin , my goal is always to sell as quickly so I can take money home and with no cost
2014-01-29 00:10 | Report Abuse
It seems obvious enough to me that :
If u buy higher than mr koon , then must prepare to lose if later he throw the shares .
He obtained a block of shares at 2.04 , release his "super buy " report and then can start selling when the price goes up - easy money ... U have to think that mr koon by buying on margin is a gambler .. A gambler can sell next minute after he buy also ..By right if he have a agenda can list out upfront how many shares he has and at what price he bought ..
1) Jtiasa is not a super company . Anytime ppl can throw this shares .. It's a slow moving shares and somebody holding on margin will incur interest cost changed by the bank
2) the "growth" story is just base on rough estimates And does not warrant an upgrade until there is actual profit and dividend (high)
3) plantation companies earnings can fluctuate and jtiasa was a timber company and in plantation world it's still a small co .. It doesn't have the efficiency and yield
4) For a person who write a report that use like A+ b = c logic With no real financial analysis is a big bull and can't believe .. Mr koon logic I find is quite child like , ie if IOi buy at 89k , now Rsawit only worth 30k , it shld worth 100k
These analysis is call big bull Sh@it.. as it doesn't look at how efficient is the company , the value , mgmt , dividend , debt , cashflow
It's base on "agak - agak"
So when agak - agak is wrong then next minute he can throw all also
In the end retailers who follow will be trap and donate to his charity
Hahahaha
2014-01-28 13:54 | Report Abuse
Note all that mr koon price is 2.04
The higher u buy above that , he can offload all the shares to u And dont cry later when like rsawit it start to drop
His analysis is mostly assumption base and when assumption doesn't happen he may just dump the whole thing off
Just like rsawit which previously he claimed best and cheapest plantation co in the universe , he may also offload jtiasa when it reach say his target 2.40 to 2.5
This method works for him , but will it work for u ??
To win buy below his price of 2.04
Don't let ur money be his charity Money :)
2014-01-28 08:29 | Report Abuse
No need to get too emotional mr koon
I am just saying that if market must be really bad if even you have to come out promote your shares
I see nothing great about jtiasa and that's my view
If u want to promote jtiasa as if it's united plantation or klk it's up to u
Some ppl asking if u are stuck with jtiasa and loss how much money
It will be helpful to them if u can post what's ur entry cost , else to them u r just trying to offload to them - the poor public
2014-01-27 20:45 |
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2014-01-25 18:19 | Report Abuse
Betul.. Boleh pergi cuti 2 - 3 minggu , saham tak akan banyak bergerak pun..,
for Chinese can go genting during this few weeks as the bursa Malaysia casino will be closed or in a coma hahaha
2014-01-25 18:12 | Report Abuse
Depends when u bought , sekarang sudah harga tinggi ..
No longer cheap
2014-01-25 18:03 | Report Abuse
Like the share market , 2 cats died http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/01/24/Two-cats-die-after-leaping-from-14th-floor-to-escape-fire/
Kucing yg sudah MATI tak boleh lompat jauh
"Dead cat bounce"
2014-01-25 15:53 | Report Abuse
Do not underestimate what cimb can or cant do ...They can sell "some" to trigger the panic and release the bad news follow by downgrading on the company
Then when people see massive selling they will also throw
But in this case looks more like Zhulian screwup by itself
It's business model is highly advance ponzi scheme
2014-01-25 15:35 | Report Abuse
Warrant issuers actually do manipulate by holding both the mother and the child
If cheaper to , they can just sell the mother off in open market to cause price panic
When it goes down maybe the call warrant can expire at lesser price to convert and hence worthless
u can see how they do even last time drbhicom call warrant ppl complain as last day to expiry the mother share was forced down in last 10 minutes or so with no reason
2014-01-25 15:30 | Report Abuse
The model seems to me is similar to ponzi scheme
Initially they reward and give high dividend and returns to lure more ppl
Once collapse the last one to enter will get fools gold
They will be digging for sands and mud
2014-01-25 15:20 | Report Abuse
I feel that taan is a far far superior and bigger company vs jaya tiasa in the timber wannabe plantation company category
And it's expending faster like on steroids
The best plantation company is actually united plantation
They have best management , usage of land , highest yield , R& d and best they produce tons of coconuts .. Which is shortage now
Anyhow A superior share means superior price Of rm 28
Jtiasa is just a kucing kurap share if we put the giants like united plant , klk , boustead and the sleeping giant but similarly poorly manage sime Darby to compare
2014-01-25 15:12 | Report Abuse
Jaya tiasa I had a feeling this stock is not that good
Either that or the mgmt can't manage well enough to give good returns to
shareholders ..
Better look at TAAN which in my view is far far superior
2014-01-25 15:03 | Report Abuse
Any rebound in penny stocks maybe short lived as its for the big fish to clear their position
Be careful of what u buy and whether it's fundamentally supported or pure speculation play
2014-01-24 08:33 | Report Abuse
U believe in such high target set by a bank "worker" ? :)
2014-01-24 08:22 | Report Abuse
This is a falling parang !!
2014-01-24 08:19 | Report Abuse
Cimb to me is a political stash fund for najis and cronies
I mean why u think his brother is there
And suddenly need to raise funds if their capital is good they would have given shareholder bonus issue and high dividend
Instead I think they hiding a lots of losses in their books - this needs to be audited to ascertain why
Is somebody playing with banks money by speculation in securities and make big losses ?
2014-01-24 08:12 | Report Abuse
Well for the ca cb or whatever these are not even a child - its a still born
Once the general public or investment bank abandoned the mother , there won't be any still born
The ca cb etc all will be worthless
And the issuer of this make money
From the upfront subscription price and now since it expire worthless they no need to pay u Anything ..
And they also hold a lot of these ca cb which they can dump out and make more money again !!
2014-01-24 08:03 | Report Abuse
Impose high tax on imported cars
It will be double or triple tax as we have also road tax
Car should be cheap
In Thailand their car is cheap but fuel expensive
We Soon be the laughing stock where both car and fuel are expensive
And being oil producer nation but champion in kangkung
2014-01-24 08:01 | Report Abuse
Since now the gov took away most of the fuel subsidy
There should be no excuse to still im
2014-01-24 07:57 | Report Abuse
Just now if u swim with the sharks , u eat the crumbs from their waste
Now u grow up and be a big fish
U now become the food in their ecosystem
2014-01-24 07:50 | Report Abuse
Their gold business reminds me of the many gold ponzi schemes like Geneva etc
Is this another con job ?
2014-01-24 07:18 | Report Abuse
Watch out .. Now the sharks coming
Do u want them take away your abalone and sharks fin ?
U need to be able to withstand the drop
2014-01-24 07:13 | Report Abuse
Mkh is just a small company
If their cashflow runs out during bad times they will be gameover
Kajang is not a prime area
It's just a satay place
Don't get burned like satay
Eat when the price drop to low 2.50
Now u go in high will get burned satay
2014-01-24 07:04 | Report Abuse
Today many ikan bilis will be dried and fed to sharks ..
2014-01-23 23:18 | Report Abuse
The broker will ask their private and big client to buy before the report is written
So they can win big
Crazy analyst who work there will put high price to trap retailers
This scheme works well in good market when there is "GREED"
Now is a period of "FEAR"
So they can't use this trick
2014-01-23 23:13 | Report Abuse
if u even think that "volume " just sort of "come" by itself without syndicate and coordinated manipulation
Who make money ? = syndicate , anaylst who wrote the report ,large shareholder , remisier , large/private client of the broker who the analyst work for , family members and staff
no analyst will put rm 5 value unless they receive money or ordered to write like that
This is how the system works
2014-01-23 23:12 | Report Abuse
This company also crap
poor cashflow
And property gameover in 2014
As already transaction so slow nobody is buying property
2014-01-23 23:07 | Report Abuse
It's a lousy share .. U can hold 10 years also the share don't move much
2014-01-23 22:56 | Report Abuse
Maybe their whole business model is a ponzi scheme
Once collapse u know what will happen
2014-01-23 22:54 | Report Abuse
Yeah i also notice some lowlife they like to replicate same name and fake comment
I don't blame them , as they are lowlife haha
2014-01-23 22:50 | Report Abuse
MATI KATAK - don't be the frog
2014-01-23 22:44 | Report Abuse
Now some of those people still trying to con ppl to go into the market now by writing silly reports
Don't be trap !!! As they waiting to sell to you !!
2014-01-23 22:39 | Report Abuse
Look mkh whoever the analyst who colluded with the syndicates To write a report on how much mkh worth already Make BIG BIG money
Now they can dispose and ppl will get trap
do u really believe this type of company can worth rm 5
it's all syndicates at work
2014-01-23 22:36 | Report Abuse
Next if it drop will be 25 sen
2014-01-23 21:41 | Report Abuse
When share go up , many ppl shout like they are so smart
When share goes down , it's all quiet
Statistic show 99% of people who play share usually lost money
But 99% of the time they will only share their "winning" stories
Syndicate closing their books
So time to just buzz off else donate more money to the crooks and CEO of bogus china shoe company like XDL or CSL all bogus cons Hahahaha
2014-01-23 21:35 | Report Abuse
Sumatec just a bogus share
Do u obviously even believe the queue ?
Buy and sell also same ppl
Their objective though is to sell .
Bursa shld have this counter designated before more retailers fall into the trap
2014-01-23 21:32 | Report Abuse
Earlier they push up - so they can sell the shares
And make a killing to buy sharkfin and abalone and orange for their family
2014-01-23 21:26 | Report Abuse
Be careful not to get guillotine ..
Watch your neck and think of syndicate stealing your ang pau
2014-01-23 21:19 | Report Abuse
Kmloong sucks - chinaman co
2014-01-23 09:59 | Report Abuse
Zhulian their gold scheme could also be a "ponzi"
Just be careful
2014-01-23 09:07 | Report Abuse
But I don't want to catch a falling parang
2014-01-23 09:04 | Report Abuse
Looking at another china co call XDL dropping like hell
It's wise for anyone to hold CSL another potential con co to dump now before it drop like hell also
2014-01-22 21:34 | Report Abuse
After slowly selling at 30 sen , I think later the buaya will sell down all the way slowly to 25 sen
It's so so good to wipe out the retailers
PERSTIMA looks good for long term ?
2014-01-29 13:09 | Report Abuse
Buy this share only if u have money ..
1. Cash in hand > 100 mil
2. Improving profit and revenue slight growth
3. Monopoly / stable - boring /steady business
4. Dividend = 40 sen per share or 10 % Better than Dutch lady
5. Good management : manage by japanese ppl
Ok don't bash me up if the share goes down but if goes up pls give me thanks ..
Tq