Posted by gohkimhock > 2021-05-13 12:17 | Report Abuse

I don't think it will end. It will stay with us forever. We can only reduce the illness severity through vaccines. It will become an epidemic once world population are almost fully vaccinated..

Posted by DickyMe > 2021-05-13 12:20 | Report Abuse

It will end when undesired elements in politics and unfit characters are removed from the world.

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 13:06 | Report Abuse

The strategies are plain simple, just speed up the vaccination of the mass population loh!

Pls expedite & approve move vaccine quickly like sinopharm, sinnovac, cansino, sputnik in order to speed up the vaccination loh!

Also to allow the private sector to privately source the vaccine, so that it can be made available to the privately paying customer in order to supplement the govt slow effort loh!

Also to allow private sector, to set up temporary covid treatment hospital & centre to enhance & supplement treatment of govt hospital loh!!

The private sector should be allowed to explore TMC or traditionally treatment as for covid 19 mah!.

Also to allow hotels close down to restart as a covid quarantine centre & treatment centre loh!

Pls invite & allow China to come here to set up covid medical yreatment centre in msia loh!

If u do this well, we will be in the road to recovery very much sooner loh!

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 13:18 | Report Abuse

why cant we all learn from china, vietnam?

Step 1 - practise strict SOP as above countries done (it only takes a few months of intense discipline)

Step 2 - have absolute strict controls at the borders, long quarantine requirement with repeated covid test before entry

Step 3- make the vaccination mandatory

Step 4 - use the best vaccine with highest efficacy (as it has significant effect on herd immunity, do not compromise with low efficacy)

...

we seem to want to reduce...but not eliminate...we seem to do chemotherapy half way and allow the cancer to keep recurring...

we are not in love & hate relationship with this virus..

its either your eliminate and live a normal life...or you dont live...its not worth to live like this for the sake of economy

do not treat yourself like modern slaves...like those chickens in chicken coops...only exist for economic reason

we have only one life...quality is more important than quantity

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 13:23 | Report Abuse

yes raider, what i am afraid is that some countries which are fully vaccinated..are still having rising cases like seychelles as the covid cases became too rampant inducing mutations which can still survive

we need multiple weapons in one go
economic damage can be significant but its still lesser than the cumulative effects of such slow control...

vaccination, unless it is done with Pfizer with 95% efficacy, even with full vaccination...this thing is not going to end

check syechelles

Posted by stockraider > May 13, 2021 1:19 PM | Report Abuse

Too late to use China method of totally lockdown loh...too much economic damage mah!

The key is still mass vaccination until it reaches full herd immunity level mah!

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 13:29 | Report Abuse

U need to understand, we cannot eliminate covid19 completely mah!

With vaccination, it will drastically reduce the covid19 severity impact, and eventually make it just another ordinary flu mah!

We cannot forever be chicken keep hiding from covid19 mah!

We need to learn to live with covid 19 eventually mah!

Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 1:23 PM | Report Abuse

yes raider, what i am afraid is that some countries which are fully vaccinated..are still having rising cases like seychelles as the covid cases became too rampant inducing mutations which can still survive

we need multiple weapons in one go
economic damage can be significant but its still lesser than the cumulative effects of such slow control...

vaccination, unless it is done with Pfizer with 95% efficacy, even with full vaccination...this thing is not going to end

check syechelles

Posted by stockraider > May 13, 2021 1:19 PM | Report Abuse

Too late to use China method of totally lockdown loh...too much economic damage mah!

The key is still mass vaccination until it reaches full herd immunity level mah!

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 13:39 | Report Abuse

i said mandatory vaccination of all 100% and followed by strict SOP to even prevent any potential mutation from remnant cases, till it goes to very low level < 100

once it hits that level, with 100% vaccination its very difficult to climb back after removal of restrictions completely

read carefully

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 13:48 | Report Abuse

We have SOP suppose to be followed strictly as per SOP mah!
If we follow it strictly it will be just fine loh!

Just that, Raider do not advocate the China route of completely lockdown the country, when we have big vaccine now that can still do a very respectable job mah!

The key is to accelerate the vaccination very quickly mah!

And we should not too panicky mah!


Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 1:39 PM | Report Abuse

i said mandatory vaccination of all 100% and followed by strict SOP to even prevent any potential mutation from remnant cases, till it goes to very low level < 100

once it hits that level, with 100% vaccination its very difficult to climb back after removal of restrictions completely

read carefully

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 13:52 | Report Abuse

we have failed when we had allowed the ICU reach 100% level

so the SOP implemented is definitely insufficient

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 13:59 | Report Abuse

further the vaccination with the low efficacy vaccines used and current speed of implementation... you will see such cases even till next raya

and by then, a new variant would have emerge that escapes the vaccine

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 14:00 |

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 14:02 | Report Abuse

we clearly would like to live with the virus with the compromised life like scavengers all for the sake of short term economic damage we want to prevent...

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 14:06 | Report Abuse

u need a nuclear bomb like big brother in hiroshima to end it

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 14:08 | Report Abuse

sorry little boy and fat man

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 14:08 | Report Abuse

U cannot end covid...we must live with it mah!


Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 2:06 PM | Report Abuse

u need a nuclear bomb like big brother in hiroshima to end it

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 14:10 | Report Abuse

u can choose to be like China and prosper at the weakness of others..

like a drunkman addicted to booze

Posted by stockraider > May 13, 2021 2:08 PM | Report Abuse

U cannot end covid...we must live with it mah!

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 14:12 | Report Abuse

if a country of more than a billion population can do it...its a shame for 30 million country with such a developed condition, lesser density..admit they cant

truly a shame

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 14:13 | Report Abuse

Vietnam with 98m people can do it....

Posted by gohkimhock > 2021-05-13 14:20 | Report Abuse

Pfizer and Moderna vaccine, which is based on mRNA technology, should have no problem countering new variants. mRNA technology vaccine is very easy to tweak as long as the spike protein of the virus do not change completely.

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 14:22 | Report Abuse

yes Pfizer i have a lot of confidence from Israel results...we can clearly see cases and death has gone down tremendously

bear in mind they have no restriction there now...and crowded as hell with all the religous gatherings

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 14:25 | Report Abuse

We tried 3 mths in end of march 2020....& the impact drastic economic collapse & make msia very much poorer loh!
It reflect panicky action with no orderly proper sense mah!

The answer drastic Simply shoot is not the best answer mah!

Just like football U cannot prevent your opponent from attacking loh!

U need to do it intelligently, with properly target strategy with offensive & defensive action loh..!!

Offensive is your vaccine & targeted SOP and advance testing & defensive is your immunity and Covid 19 medical health centre and quarantine centre and specific targeted lockdown mah!!


The strategies are plain simple, just speed up the vaccination of the mass population loh!

Pls expedite & approve move vaccine quickly like sinopharm, sinnovac, cansino, sputnik in order to speed up the vaccination loh!

Also to allow the private sector to privately source the vaccine, so that it can be made available to the privately paying customer in order to supplement the govt slow effort loh!

Also to allow private sector, to set up temporary covid treatment hospital & centre to enhance & supplement treatment of govt hospital loh!!

The private sector should be allowed to explore TMC or traditionally treatment as for covid 19 mah!.

Also to allow hotels close down to restart as a covid quarantine centre & treatment centre loh!

Pls invite & allow China to come here to set up covid medical yreatment centre in msia loh!

If u do this well, we will be in the road to recovery very much sooner loh!

Posted by icecool > 2021-05-13 16:29 | Report Abuse

the world is currently in a dark tunnel and moving into the light at the end of the tunnel, upon exiting this tunnel a new world awaits all.
be ready and be excited for it.

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 16:31 | Report Abuse

https://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/forum/600522246.jsp

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 16:31 | Report Abuse

Seychelles

China expected its Sinopharm vaccines to be the lynchpin of the country’s vaccine diplomacy programme – an easily transported dose that would protect not just Chinese citizens but also much of the developing world. In a bid to win goodwill, China has donated 13.3 million Sinopharm doses to other countries, according to Bridge Beijing, a consultancy that tracks China’s impact on global health.

Instead, the company, which has made two varieties of coronavirus vaccines, is facing mounting questions about the inoculations. First, there was the lack of transparency with its late-stage trial data. Now, Seychelles, the world’s most vaccinated nation, has had a surge in cases despite much of its population being inoculated with Sinopharm.

For the 56 countries counting on the Sinopharm shot to help them halt the pandemic, the news is a setback. For months, public health experts had focused on trying to close the access gap between rich and poorer nations. Now, scientists are warning that developing nations that choose to use the Chinese vaccines, with their relatively weaker efficacy rates, could end up lagging behind countries that choose vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna. That gap could allow the pandemic to continue in countries that have fewer resources to fight it.

Economic benefit
...............

“You really need to use high-efficacy vaccines to get that economic benefit because otherwise they’re going to be living with the disease long-term,” said Raina MacIntyre, who heads the biosecurity programme at the Kirby Institute of the University of New South Wales in Sydney. “The choice of vaccine matters.”

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 17:11 | Report Abuse

Ask yourself if without the sinopharm vaccine, could the situation in Seychelles would be even worse leh ??

Do not let the western media manipulate us loh!

If the western country so concern, why they did not donate pfizer & moderna vaccine to Seychelles in the 1st place leh ?


Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 5:03 PM | Report Abuse

Seychelles

China expected its Sinopharm vaccines to be the lynchpin of the country’s vaccine diplomacy programme – an easily transported dose that would protect not just Chinese citizens but also much of the developing world. In a bid to win goodwill, China has donated 13.3 million Sinopharm doses to other countries, according to Bridge Beijing, a consultancy that tracks China’s impact on global health.

Instead, the company, which has made two varieties of coronavirus vaccines, is facing mounting questions about the inoculations. First, there was the lack of transparency with its late-stage trial data. Now, Seychelles, the world’s most vaccinated nation, has had a surge in cases despite much of its population being inoculated with Sinopharm.

For the 56 countries counting on the Sinopharm shot to help them halt the pandemic, the news is a setback. For months, public health experts had focused on trying to close the access gap between rich and poorer nations. Now, scientists are warning that developing nations that choose to use the Chinese vaccines, with their relatively weaker efficacy rates, could end up lagging behind countries that choose vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna. That gap could allow the pandemic to continue in countries that have fewer resources to fight it.

Economic benefit
...............

“You really need to use high-efficacy vaccines to get that economic benefit because otherwise they’re going to be living with the disease long-term,” said Raina MacIntyre, who heads the biosecurity programme at the Kirby Institute of the University of New South Wales in Sydney. “The choice of vaccine matters.”

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 17:15 | Report Abuse

Ya high efficacy so what leh ??

It was never make available to all the 3rd world country like Seychelles mah!


If the western country so concern, why they did not donate pfizer & moderna vaccine to Seychelles in the 1st place leh ?


Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 5:11 PM | Report Abuse

“You really need to use high-efficacy vaccines to get that economic benefit because otherwise they’re going to be living with the disease long-term,” said Raina MacIntyre,

.........

you dont want to end up as breeding ground for new variants...

do it right when you have choice - Malaysia should go all out for Pfizer , else they are wasting resources and letting them self be experimented

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 17:16 | Report Abuse

raider i am not comparing china with west / U.S...i am telling what Malaysia should be doing...

you can keep your ego boosting to yourself

Posted by DickyMe > 2021-05-13 17:29 | Report Abuse

It is going to be intense and temperature may come to boiling point in this 70 days.

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 17:29 | Report Abuse

I thought this figure is something like 20k infection & 2k death loh!

To my surprise the death rate of 28 is even less than USA in term of % mah!

Must interpret the figure properly lah!


Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 5:23 PM | Report Abuse

Numbers dont lie...

Seychelles

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/seychelles/

compare Israel with Pfizer

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

Posted by gohkimhock > 2021-05-13 17:39 | Report Abuse

Coronavirus
____________

-no quick fix
-always wash hands
-dont touch face
-stay home
-social distancing
-cutting sugar

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 17:43 | Report Abuse

dont let Malaysia suffer another 2 years...or even longer

get all vaccinated with Pfizer
.............................

else it will be a breeding ground for new variants which are more resistant to the vaccine

the best way to make it stronger is to challenge but not eliminating it

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 17:48 | Report Abuse

Big dream lah!

U think pfizer will give so many allocations to msia meh ?

Msia should get their hand into any vaccine that are available & start vaccination quickly loh!

Having vaccinated is much better than not having vaccinated at all mah!

Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 5:43 PM | Report Abuse

dont let Malaysia suffer another 2 years...or even longer

get all vaccinated with Pfizer
.............................

else it will be a breeding ground for new variants which are more resistant to the vaccine

the best way to make it stronger is to challenge but not eliminating it

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 18:05 | Report Abuse

raider & uncle Koon, i suggest you all go for China's vaccine (due to your blood patriotism & ego)...and give chance for others in Malaysia for Pfizer

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 18:09 | Report Abuse

now that the data is available, it would be pure stup**ty to go for china vaccines

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 18:22 | Report Abuse

Stop being idealistic & let be practical mah!

can u get 64m dose of pfizer or not for msia or not leh ?

Even europe they r still scrambling for pfizer vaccine mah!

Are msia prepare to wait until 2024 to be fully vaccinated meh ?

Be practical lah, take up whatever vaccine available 1st...u may think off...how to chose the best vaccine in 2 to 3 yrs time...when u r prepare to pay for your own vaccine loh!

Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 6:03 PM | Report Abuse

malaysia with such a small population, can afford and should not compromise...

they should for get about pleasing china for diplomatic ties

Israel can procure for the whole nation, Malaysia should f**king damn do it

they should stop prostituting them self


Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 6:06 PM | Report Abuse

raider & uncle Koon, i suggest you all go for China's vaccine (due to your blood patriotism & ego)...and give chance for others in Malaysia for Pfizer


Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 6:08 PM | Report Abuse

now that the data is available, it would be pure stup**ty to go for china vaccines


Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 6:14 PM | Report Abuse

or even astrazeneca or any other having lesser efficacy...avoid it...

every drop of efficacy matters a lot on this battle

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 18:24 | Report Abuse

let us not waste time leh...you are wasting another year

what Israel has Malaysia cannot afford? you can buy 10m but you cannot another 20M?

stop wasting people's time and make a mess

Posted by Stockisnotfun > 2021-05-13 18:24 | Report Abuse

Pandemic will end on tomorrow

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-13 18:29 | Report Abuse

It just like great concert limited ticket mah!

Sometime have monies also cannot buy mah!

Pfizer or USA can chose anybody they like to sell to mah, since demand way far exceed their capacity mah!

Posted by probability > May 13, 2021 6:24 PM | Report Abuse

let us not waste time leh...you are wasting another year

what Israel has Malaysia cannot afford? you can buy 10m but you cannot another 20M?

stop wasting people's time and make a mess

Posted by probability > 2021-05-13 18:31 | Report Abuse

Malaysia have the money to buy leh....they can afford to pay higher.. the more they pay, the faster the vaccine will arrive..manufacturer will prioritize..

but chose to compromise....and this is ultimate stup**ty

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-14 12:10 | Report Abuse

Lets be fair there are also down side in pfizer as in all other vaccine mah!

Do u want the truth or not ah ?

Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 12:04 PM | Report Abuse

people like you discouraging people with unfounded fear lor...the odds are very small... you can see israel a nation with 10million, deaths counts is very small lor....



Posted by GrowingRich > May 14, 2021 12:02 PM | Report Abuse

Israel probing link between Pfizer jab & heart problem in men under 30

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-probing-link-between-pfizer-...

Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 12:12 | Report Abuse

i see you have issues western vaccine superior than china lor...that looks like the main issue here....LOL!

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 12:23 | Report Abuse

dont say something i never say lor..i repeatedly said..take whatever you have...but game is not over till you get pfizer equivalent ma...

Posted by stockraider > May 14, 2021 12:18 PM | Report Abuse

For 1% advantage u wait 2 to 3 years like a so0hai...is it not silly leh ?

Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 12:16 PM | Report Abuse

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Posted by probability > 2021-05-14 12:33 | Report Abuse

good..my whole advocation is about govn needing to procure pfizer now fir the whole nation, knowing that full economic & social recovery is not possible with astrazeneca & chinese vaccines..

nothing more - if you are not against above then no need to promote anything here lor..

Posted by stockraider > 2021-05-14 12:37 | Report Abuse

Good Let me summarise the whole thing understanding here loh...!!

Quickly procure all vaccine required but giving preference to pfizer as the 1st choice loh! .


Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 12:33 PM | Report Abuse

good..my whole advocation is about govn needing to procure pfizer now fir the whole nation, knowing that full economic & social recovery is not possible with astrazeneca & chinese vaccines..

nothing more - if you are not against above then no need to promote anything here lor..