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2016-02-22 14:44 | Report Abuse
funny, we have Chong talk about smooth exponential growth but no margins.
I prefer to talk about no such thing ( as smooth exponential curves) when dealing with stocks, but margin is a tool regularly used in the stock market . Learn to live with the fluctuations and manage it. Keeps you awake, and alert
If there is smooth exponential growth people should take on bigger gearings. Hedge funds routinely takes on gearing of 10 to 1 or sometimes even gearings of 100 to 1 depends on how certain their strategies can give them a smooth exponential curve during the period covered.
eg ,if their strategies can give them a smooth exponential curve of 5% (within 5 standard deviation certainty) and borrowing cost is 4%, they take up a gearing of 100 to 1, then their ROCE becomes 100%.
So Chong, why talk about smooth exponential growth and then no gearing?
People should be aware that market is about risks,,,there is no smooth exponential curves...but risks can be changed by many many methods and risks must be managed.
the methods and strategies for managing risks can be covered by modern portfolio theories.
2016-02-22 12:53 | Report Abuse
Noted good advice mr Risk....
but I very stubborn one.
I write my own rules.
2016-02-22 12:49 | Report Abuse
People pay good money for course in the stock market because they want to be tycoons in the stock market , simple as that.
And margin accounts are as popular as ever by looking at the shares of substantial shareholders held by bank nominees.
2016-02-22 12:37 | Report Abuse
Chairman files paper he wants to sell shares..that created a negative sentiment for 2 weeks...but shares keep going up from $ 1.70 to now........
I think there is a bright future for this share.
As I said.....no idea what game is that Chairman playing but every thing looks good.
2016-02-22 12:26 | Report Abuse
A pre tax profit of $6 million for last quarter......the important question is will it be more or less next quarter.?
The directors are bullish on their Vietnam operations, even Malaysia did better than expected. Look at their sales growth. There is no question next quarter will do better than last quarter.
Oh.....and the Company can do a Chinwell and buy back the shares from the minority shareholders of the Vietnam operations....there are $ 2 million added to non controlling shareholders last quarter.
This is a fast growth company, 100 million shares, 75% owned by the directors......don't buy this, buy what?
2016-02-22 11:45 | Report Abuse
look left look right
look top look bottom....
it looks like no stop now....
oh...and please read what they say in the latest quarterly report....especially about Vietnam.
this share don't want to buy, nothing can buy already.
2016-02-22 11:41 | Report Abuse
icon....too bad you don't know how to read Profit and Loss Account....Don't know comprehensive income from Profits for the period. Don't know Reserves from P/L.
never expected any thing much from Icon, anyway.
but more important.....It looks real this time.....the share is going up.
2016-02-22 10:57 | Report Abuse
.excellent point........but it is a road I will not take.
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Coldrisks Desa, you praise icon8888 also then they will not attack you...
22/02/2016 08:59
2016-02-22 10:50 | Report Abuse
.....perhaps they think they are moral teachers......while teaching stock market.
If it is stock market, talk about the tycoons in the stock market lah.
If it is moral teachings, taught about Jesus, or Modhamed or Buddha.
Right, paper?
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as that. Dunno why ppl wanna input the moral or their own interpretation of margin here
2016-02-22 07:39 | Report Abuse
In any case , if what I says makes no sense, no one will be interested.
Including KYY will not be interested.
2016-02-22 07:36 | Report Abuse
See......icon and his gang of pushers .
Why don't you ask KYY what is my intention or motives or reasons.......?
Confessions of a Desa?
I have nothing to confess. Not interested, couldn't be bothered
But you, no shame one meh being such a small man and a liar.......
2016-02-22 07:32 | Report Abuse
Margin finance remains to this day very very popular.
Just look at any substantial shareholder list.......full of bank nominee accounts.
You want to be teacher, please teach people "the hidden secrets of tycoons."
2016-02-22 07:29 | Report Abuse
I guess that is all a small time pusher like you knows, icon.
2016-02-22 06:57 | Report Abuse
hahahaha, to each his own, No risk no gain.
But I can tell you some thing. If you organise a seminar with the title " Secrets of the tycoons revealed" or " How to borrow more and more money" Your seminar will be full house.
To go where only the brave dares to go is not common. Uncommon people achieves uncommon rewards.
Desa20201956 There is no credit in being like those ancient sifus of China.
That is why you are teaching.
2016-02-22 06:34 | Report Abuse
I don't know how smart or how stupid people are...but politicians everywhere know how popular it is to protect other people from their own stupidity.
But KYY did bring up another dimension of margin accounts and margin calls. The margin call he received woke him up from his comfort zone, forced him to reexamine the portfolio and market conditions in a manner that proved beneficial to him.
I don't know how smart or how stupid people are..To each his own.
Next question...the role of the teacher, it is to protect or to nurture?
protect or nurture?
give a fish or teach people how to fish?
2016-02-22 06:12 | Report Abuse
and to my own critics....I couldn't be bothered. Truly couldn't be bothered.
As I see it.
2016-02-22 06:11 | Report Abuse
There is some thing about the word Confessions that calm the nerve of the critics, disarms people.
Who doesn't like to read Confessions of the rich and famous? Sounds even more interesting that the Dynasty movies.
Imagine.....if the title had been "Reasons for my prolific writing - Koon Yew Yin " or "Thoughts - Reasons for my prolific writing - Koon Yew Yin" the effects would have been different.
Same content, same author, but different reception.
People loves reading Confessions. Especially Confessions of the rich and famous.
Reasons, facts, and logics not so much....and will get more critics. lol.
Just thought of pointing out....audiences in public forums are not that smart one.
Anyway, congratulations Mr Koon....You have written a wonderful piece and have addressed many of the issues in this forum.
I have been clear of your Reasons, even before your Confessions and have written about them too.
There is no ambiguity in my mind.
2016-02-22 05:02 | Report Abuse
definitely correct, Icon and his gang of little people are bastards.
2016-02-22 05:01 | Report Abuse
2000 posts here already..............
how many times have I been wrong / incorrect in my comments about people, about stocks, about the market ?
why shouldn't I be confident? Be extremely confident with my kind of abilities?
if not 100% , at least 99% correct.
2016-02-22 02:18 | Report Abuse
where is the money to create a super bull?
from IMDB? from dead Saudi King ?
2016-02-22 01:42 | Report Abuse
so full of pretentious people like this icon and ks here.
2016-02-22 01:24 | Report Abuse
look at these pretentious Icon and ks....makes me sick and vomit.
2016-02-22 01:22 | Report Abuse
good enough for me.....
Icon8888 > Feb 22, 2016 01:17 AM | Report Abuse
Same lah... cheapskate schools...
2016-02-22 01:22 |
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2016-02-22 01:13 | Report Abuse
good...just disappear. You are less than dirt in my eyes.
My son graduated from Sunway...that is called twinning...with Lancaster , UK....
Monash KL is called a branch campus...they do not call it twinning.
ks55 > Feb 22, 2016 01:06 AM | Report Abuse
Really wasting my time.
Go fly kite Desa Tak Cemerlang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2016-02-22 01:10 | Report Abuse
well..I qualified as an accountant in the early 80s......
I am not an engineer, not a lawyer...My professional qualification is I am an accountant.
2016-02-22 01:07 |
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2016-02-22 01:06 | Report Abuse
If KYY's billions don't bother me...why should little story teller money bother me?
Icon8888 > Feb 22, 2016 01:03 AM | Report Abuse
Poverty didn't irk me
Arrogance irked me
I am easily 10 times richer than u
2016-02-22 01:04 | Report Abuse
I do not need to write my biography before I can post.
I am not that rich, but I am not that poor either....lets just say 3 meals no problem.
2016-02-22 01:01 | Report Abuse
I am not that rich. but not poor either.
Icon8888 > Feb 22, 2016 12:58 AM | Report Abuse
Can't afford to send to OZ ? Wtf ?
Ha ha ha ha
2016-02-22 00:53 | Report Abuse
can't afford to send to Australia, study in Monash KL is good enough.
2016-02-22 00:49 | Report Abuse
ks....just go away....you are very irritating.....
surprised this Icon don't even know CPA.
2016-02-22 00:48 | Report Abuse
I left KPMG in the early 1980s.......I have not been accountant since.
Posted by Icon8888 > Feb 22, 2016 12:44 AM | Report Abuse
Don't try, you won't succeed
You have been hard wired to fail in stocks
So many years being accountant... I have not seen one that can thrive
2016-02-22 00:45 |
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2016-02-22 00:44 | Report Abuse
I don't feel master story teller icon can teach me any thing about the market. I don't even feel billionaire KYY can teach me any thing about the market............
I write my own rules, remember that.
Icon8888 > Feb 22, 2016 12:39 AM | Report Abuse
Another reason I said u detached from reality is because you impose on the market what you think is right
2016-02-22 00:41 | Report Abuse
looks like you have no idea what is article clerk and what is CPA.....lol.
why would a CPA feels he needs university?
Icon8888 > Feb 22, 2016 12:23 AM | Report Abuse
Another thing is that u have never been to university
That is a big handicap
The level of thinking is different.
Secondary grad is secondary grad
2016-02-22 00:39 | Report Abuse
I intend to reach $ 100 million by 83....extremely confident it will be done.
con8888 > Feb 22, 2016 12:35 AM | Report Abuse
There you go. Typical accountant - detach from reality
2016-02-22 00:37 | Report Abuse
I can quote exceptions to what ever you say....of course it still has to depend on the people's experiences.
there are people with no more than Form 5 who are extremely intellectual, extremely well read.
anyway...since we are talking about a CPA since 24....it is extremely silly to think I am second to anyone ....what is it I have not done?
2016-02-22 00:31 | Report Abuse
my track record not that good.
not to worry....another 23 years to KYY age.
2016-02-22 00:30 | Report Abuse
24 years already CPA.....young graduates work under me when 24 already.
so what you talk?
how much a person knows depends on the person....
plenty of Form 5 people who are very capable.
2016-02-22 00:24 | Report Abuse
I have accountant friends who are very good ...extremely good in every aspect including stock picking, timing, interpretation of world news and events....have been good since young.
every thing we say about some thing...it all depends.
the profession do not determine every thing.
....as for me...I have very high levels of confidence in my own abilities in the stock market.....extremely high levels of confidence.
I do not consider my self second to anyone. extremely confident is the right word.
2016-02-22 00:16 | Report Abuse
master story teller icon....
you depend on your smiles to help you push stocks...You think I don't know?
2016-02-22 00:13 |
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2016-02-22 00:06 | Report Abuse
I write the rules how I write.
2016-02-22 00:05 | Report Abuse
Posted by Desa20201956 > Feb 22, 2016 12:04 AM | Report Abuse X
I say f you.......
I have not contacted Koon .....and no need to.
2016-02-22 00:03 | Report Abuse
Icon....you know nothing about me....
It is just I do not want my biography to be the subject......let what I write about to be the subject.
2016-02-21 23:58 | Report Abuse
Icon.....Koon money is Koon money
I have no desire, no intention and no need to take any money from Koon. I have retired a long long time ago already.
I say f you to your accusations.
2016-02-21 23:47 |
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2016-02-21 23:23 | Report Abuse
I am not be rich like Koon , but I have no financial incentives for any of my posts here nor do I depend on Mr Koon for any thing.
Only a shameless person writes what Icon writes.
Stock: [KEINHIN]: KEIN HING INTERNATIONAL BHD
2016-02-22 14:58 | Report Abuse
Think about it.....
Keinhin is not your normal export counter
Keinhin is into metal fabrications. All sorts of metal fabrications. From the simple stove, their brand name Zenme....to electrical appliances, equipment even infrastructure metal fabrications
And.....the key component in newly industrializing Vietnam with all the new middle class and all the new MNCs......
The sky is the limit.