If a counter's shares price has doubled , tripled , 5 times or ten time from its low within few months or a year , example , iwcity , HENGYUAN etc , you can just take most of your profit and if the shares price can not break high or go higher within a month with high volume traded , then just sell all your shares in that counter and look back the shares price after a year , you will know that you have made a right decision to sell a year ago .

If you have carried a thorough research or home work about this company , and if your conclusion is this company has no chance to rebound at all for the next two years and is going close shop then just cut loss and keep away from it . There are many other counters which had dropped to historical low for the last twenty years had rebounded five or ten times after one or two years . For example , RENONG 0.30 in year 1999 rebounded to more than 3.0 at the end of 1999 , uemland 30 sen in March 2006 rebounded to 5.0 in year 2007 , Mrcb 50 sen in 1999 to 5.00 in year 2000 . Iwcity in year 2016 0.75 to 2017 of more than 3.0 , PMETAL 1.40 before RI and BI in 2015 August to more than 5.00 this year . AIRASIA 0.8 - more than 4.0 in 2009 and 2015 - 2017 etc .

When ARMADA declared huge quarter losses in year 2016 , its shares price plunged to 0.505 , Now trading around 0.85 . For those can hold for another 1 or 2 years why worry now ?

This forum is meant for sharing of information and ideas , not for attacking others as we like . For those who are Macai of the sharks , please identify yourself if you are a man . Please respect others .

I have been learning from share market for more than 40 years and have gone through few market crises and I am still learning at this moment .

During the superbull between 1993 - 1996 , there were more than 2 millions cds active holders , but for last ten years , the genuine retail cds holders may be less than 100 k ?? If two millions genuine retail buyers buy 1000 shares in a day , the genuine traded volume can be easily more than 2 billions shares a day . As I mentioned before , The IB writers are either technically not sound ? Or due to wearing rolex and using moncbalanct pen which have affected their thinking. ? On 16 November 2017 , non of the six IBs recommended sell . Because at that time , the big sharks just wanted to start their huge selling , so they have to give at least hold or long-term buy recommendations . If you refer to IB's recommendations on WASEONG 2 years ago when its price was around 0.70 , the writer recommended to sell , target price below 0.50 . Now the target price keep on revising from 1.40 - 1.80 just within 40 days . Similar.case for FGV in year 2016 when it was trading around 1.30 , and the writer recommended sell , sell ! Within 3 months , FGV shoot up from 1.30 - 2.30 and many other similar cases . The sharks With the helping hands from the writers have eliminated a lots of genuine retail buyers for the past 10 years until almost all retail buyers have given up .

Sorry , the market cap should be more than 20 billions in year 2014 instead of 200 billions

From around 5.00 in Jan 2014 dropped to 0.625 and the market cap also dropped from more than 200 billions to less than 4 billions today . Number one oil and gas counter in Malaysia ??? Lucky is in Malaysia , even if foreigners take over also can not get the contracts locally , if not it could have been taken over . On 16 November 2017 , non of the IB recommended to sell ? The sharks keep on pressing down the price , May be they know it may be like UMWOG ? When WASEONG was trading around 0.70 in year 2016 , the writers kept on recommended sell , now the recommend buy , target price 1.70 - 1.80 ?
Over the last ten years , the trend has changed , when a counter's price is pushing up , very unlikely the price will retrace and bounce back again for few.times within the same day or if they push the price down , it is also unlikely the price will bounce back , or up down up down for few times in the same day . The sharks do not give chance to the retail buyers , that is why the retail buyers and punters have given up . Their money mostly channeled to property market and quick money games .

If UMWOG is worth 1.00 , do you think the sharks will push up the share price all the way up without any correction ??? So the retail buyers can just buy and keep without suffering then sell back to the sharks at high price ???? The sharks buy back at high price and later sell back to retail buyers at low price ??? A little bit funny ???

Like EDARAN , shoot up very fast from below 50 sens to over 80 sens few months ago then distributed , dropped back to 50 over sens , then within 2 days pushed up 80 sens again . Even like small sharks , Jetson , from 30 sens pushed up 50 sens , announced bad news , dropped back 30 sens , and pressed down slowly to 23.- 25 sens , now slowly picking up to 29 sens .

The sharks have collected most of their oils and gas shares at low price during last two years ,
very unlikely they will push down the share price to historical low again before they push up for this rally .

If there is no minor or bigger corrections along the way of pushing up , most or may be 99 % of the retail buyers will not sell their shares , Then all retail buyers buy at low price and sell to the sharks at high price . Later , the sharks sell most of their shares at low price to retail buyers and retail buyers buy back and sell back to the sharks at high price again ??? A bit funny ???

If you were the sharks , will you push up the share price all the way up to your target price without any correction ??? Look at the movements of HUAAN from 0.34 dropped to 0.19 before pushing up to 0.56 today , and also others like HENGYUAN , PETRONM , YTL , and many others

Most of the oil and gas counters down side is limited but upside is much more than that . The writers wearing Rolex and using montblanct pen will keep on saying the uptrend of crude oil will not be sustainable .

Most of the historical low of the oil and gas counters done in these two years will be their low before this rally ( may be except for financial difficulties companies ). If you look at Waseong , last one to two years like going to die , no power . Now hanging around 1.30 because the sharks have collected most of the shares which had been distributed before . A lots of oils and gas counters pushed up in these few days , will go up further . The up and down along the way to North are only the tactics of the sharks to make more profits and to scare the retail buyers and prevent them from buying low and make more profits for them

If SAPNRG's fair value is worth 1.50 as at today and all retail buyers bought from 1.20 and average down all the way to 0.665 like WARREN BUFFET and all retail buyers do not sell even a share , let the sharks play themselves , shark A sell to shark B , Shark B sell to shark. C , shark c sell to shark D and shark D sell to shark A again . Let them roll and roll , roll and roll , buy sell buy sell until 1.80 or 2.00 ,
then all the retail buyers start sell back all the shares to them , and in between all retail buyers never buy back a share , then the sharks have to close shop . Even if all the retail buyers have to wait for a year , or two years ,or three years . But in actual , many retail buyers bought at 1.20 , average down all the way to 0.9 and cut lost at 0.80 . Then bought again at 0.83 and cut lost at 0.70 , bought again at 0.73 and cut lost again at 0.67- 0.68 . When sharks pushed up to 0.73 , some retail buyers bought again at 0.75 made few sens , sold again then bought back at 0.88 and sold at 0.91 , but the sharks pushed up to 1.05 , the retail buyers bought back again from 1.03 to 0.94 , then the sharks pushed down to 0.855 again , so the retail buyers have to force sell their shares again . The retail buyers ended up made few sens gains but suffered 20 sens losses . The sharks will keep on doing the same way , on and on until 2.00 , and retail buyers make few sens but loss 20 - 30 sens each round .

Few weeks ago , the China Foreign Ministry spokesman said , while there were a lots of noises voiced out by the apes along the river , the boat had sailed through a lots of mountains along the river .

For those counters which are more tightly controlled like PERDANA , WASEONG , ICON , MHB , or even Barakah ( financial difficulties ??? ) , more easier to push up .

There are many counters have similarities with SAPNRG , like UMWOG. ARMADA , MHB , UEMS , MRCB , MALAKOF. FGV , ICON , ( THHEAVY , ,,but gone with the wind )

For those retail buyers who know how to homework and have done their homework and have deep
Knowledge about a particular company , they should not be affected by those writers who are using monblanct pen and wearing Rolex . When the share price is trading at historical low and the writers keep on saying negative comments then you can buy . But if the share price is trading at historical high range and the writers give good comments , then you should start taking profit . When the price starts picking up from the lower levels and the writers say not sustainable , then you hold or buy additional shares as long as the shares are trading at the lower levels .

How fast and how high the price will be pushing up today , the big sharks will see the reactions of the retail buyers. If retail buyers sold very much more than their purchase. The sharks will push higher .

Although we won't be able to predict the directions of crude oil and oil and gas counters . But the big , big sharks and the big , big US INVESTMENT BANK should have better knowledge and inside informations . When the price is at highest range , they will say can go higher . When the price is at the lowest range , they will say can go lower so that they can accumulate . When the price is picking up from low to middle range , they will still say not sustainable ,. But when the price is at the highest level. They will say it can go much higher and at the same time , they will push up and down with bigger trading range to attract more retail buyers sold that they will distribute to them .

A lots of retail buyers were mind set by the sharks . Like AIRASIA case , same counter , two rounds , from lowest level to highest level , they missed it . Many of them were frightened by the sharks . They are now waiting for profit taking , but the sharks won't give you chance . Just like when SAPNRG's price we're pressed down from 0.97 - 0.70 , the sharks also didn't give chance , now sharp sustainable rebound . The more retail buyers sold to them , the higher they will push up the price . For those who have strong holding power can buy and.average down . The sharks have gone in , they will press down and push up along the way to the north , . The retail buyers must think will.this company close shop so.easily ,??? Many sharks still depend on this counter to cari makan . Your risk is 0.665 before this push up , now is 0.875 , .but if you lose all , the big sharks are worst than you .

Yes , cost average down is very important and will let you have the chance to make huge profits especially when the share price is trading at the range of historical low and the company has a better prospects in the future . A lots of retail buyers make mistakes when a company's share price has gone up from lowest level to highest level , they do average down from the highest level all the way down to the upper middle high level when the company's is only worth 20 % of its highest share price . For example , A company only worth 20 sens but was pushed up to one ringgit from 10 sen within a short period , the retail buyers did average down from 1.0 , 0.95 , 0.9 , 0.8 and 0.75 and use all his funds . The retail buyers will either be knot out or trapped for ever .

For retail buyers , your entry point must be right or lower than the sharks average cost , if they press the price down , you can average down or even doubled average down on condition that the fundamental of the company is ok or won't close shop so fast and you have strong holding power . Then you can just dance along with the sharks up until the daily volume traded is very high and the price doubled or even higher depend on the counter , then you can seriously consider to sell all your shareholding to them and take a long rest .

Smaller sharks may only control one or two counters at one time . For bigger sharks , they may control 5 - 10 counters at one time but for big , big , big sharks , they may be able to control 30 - 50 at one time and play by rotation ???? .

A lots of similar cases like HENGYUAN , PMETAL , IWCITY , HUAAN , PETRONM , or even JAKS , EKOVEST , MALTON etc When their prices were traded at low range , the daily volume traded were low also , because the sharks only want to accumulate and not distribute , along the way of pushing up , they will carry out press and dump exercise . For many others penny stocks ranged between RM 0.03 - 005 , without good fundamental , the smaller sharks will take few years to accumulate until almost cornered the counter then only they will push up the share price quickly and distribute the shares quickly to retail buyers .

When they repeat this tactic again and again , most of the retail buyers will be misled and mind set . The retail buyers can see only one or two trees in front of them but can't see the whole forest in front of them . They will slowly accumulate back the shares they have sold and push up the price again to a high level for redistribution again . By the time when their business become better , a lots of writers wearing Rolex and using monblanct pen will write a lots of good stories again to attract more retail buyers to buy at higher price again . The share price will be more volatile with bigger trading range .

They have slowly distrubuted multi millions of shares from around 4.00 to 2.00 and so within the range between 1.40 - 1.90 this year . May be they wanted to push down the price to 1.0 - 1.20 only ?
Beyond their expectations , a lots of retail buyers rushed into it and bought a lots of shares between 0.97 - 1.06 , so they pressed it down again to 0.79 - 0.83 again . When more and more retail buyers jumped in to buy around 0.78 - 0.80 , they did another round to 0.70 again . Final round they pressed down to 0.665 to create the most panic situation to prevent retail buyers to buy . After few rounds of press and dump many retail buyers have given up or can afford to lose anymore . Most of the retail buyers were affected and mind set by them . Same cases like ARMADA and UMWOG , the differences between them may be the degree of price and volume traded .

When AIRASIA was traded around 70 over sens in year 2009 , a lots of retail buyers were panic. Some panic cut lost , some bought low and sold with few sens gains , without the awareness of the retail buyers , AIRASIA shares climbed up and traded around 3 - 4 ringgits within two to three years . Similarly , the share price plunged to below 80 sens again in August in the year 2015 , most of the retail buyers did the same things like what they have done before , some panic cut lost again , some made a few sens gains and AIRASIA share price shot up to more than RM 3.0 within a year . If the retail buyers have done their homework and learn from the past experiences , they should not be affected by the few sens up and down of the share price . What they should do is to think and do homework in order to determine whether the company will close shop or not ? From the point of the fundamental aspects of the company and the movements including the daily volume traded . If the company is going to close down , the daily volume traded will be huge but the share price will go down slowly without a sharp rebound for few months or even years depend on the size of the company . For examples , SAAG , PECD. LIONCORP and many others . For company like
SAPNRG , it won't happen in just a short time . How many listed companies in Bursa have a yearly turnover of more than 10 billions ??? . A lots of big sharks still depend on this company to cari Amman . How can it be close shop so easily ??? If we look at the queues of buyers and sellers , easily more than ten of thousands lots in any second , who are they ??? Majorities of them are theirs . If retail buyers purchase more then they will press down the price until retail buyers are forced to sell . If retail buyers sold more to them , then they will push up a bit , a bit . The more retail buyers have sold , the higher the price they will push up . They will do this level by level . They won't be so stupid to push up the share price quickly to 1.0 or 1.20 within few days to let the retail buyers to get profit or recover back their losses unless some very very good news are to be announced ???

MRCB , UEMS , FGV and DRBHCOM goreng Kaki are mostly the same , they take turns .

You are welcomed ! We are here just to share some views and to share some gains from the sharks .

Similar scenario can be seen on other counters . HUAAN has been quite for few years . Thin daily volume traded daily . Its shares changed hands from weaker retail buyers to them . When good news come , the share price will shoot up . Same for HWGB which was traded with thin Volume in year 2009 and before , When good news or rumors spread out , the share price shot up from 20 sen to 1.00 within few months or a year only ..

Why the sharks engaged some writers which can only expressed their opinions in one or two words only to act on behalf of them ? ? ?

Some listed companies especially GLCs have very powerful goreng kaki , high volatility and fluctuate few times within a year , but for many small size listed companies , the cook is hawkers Stall's cook . A bigger gap between buyers bid and sellers bid , thin Volume , tight controlled , goreng once in few years , goreng when almost cornered the shares.Some may shot up few times , some May be 30 - 50 % only .

It indicates that the former company of UEMS which had weaker financial position could have a so high volatility Within 14 years , 3 rounds of extremely low to extremely high , why can't the same be happened to UEMS which has better financial positions and huge land bank in Johor ? Further more , TOP 30 largest shareholders include many government agencies .

How can SAPNRG make gains from other parties trading in shares in open market when the company does not carry out shares buy back ??? How can SAPNRG recognize the gains from trading in shares when it does not carry out any trade ?? Is there any immediate disclosure in BURSA ???

When crude oil plunged from USD 100 in year 2014 to USD 60 in year 2015 , most of the US BIG INVESTMENT BANKS did not tell the public the crude oil will drop to USD 26-30 in JAN-FEB 2016 , why ? May be they are technically not sound ? May be they want retail buyers to catch the falling knife all the way from USD 60 - 26 ? When the crude oil price traded around USD 26 - 30 , they kept on telling crude oil will drop further to USD 20 or even lower , so that to prevent retail buyers from buying at the lower levels . When SAPNRG was trading around 1.4 - 1.60 during October - November 2017 , most of the analysts recommended hold again on 16 Nov 2017 , even though they had recommended hold for this counter on 28 September 2017 why ? May be the same reasons as US big Investment Bank ?? Less than a month , on 8 December 2017 , Some of them suddenly so kind and revised their target prices to a lower range , why , ? When the share price is trading at a the historical low level , why discourage retail buyers from buying ?? Be a gentleman , to earn or to get your wealth in a right way . Be consistent , be responsible and with principles when expressing your views .

Did the boss say so ?

For PUNCAK case , the share price did shot up from around 1.60 to around 2.80 after disposal of its investments , before the company did a distribution of capital of around RM 1.0 . Then the share price was adjusted to around 1.60 . Then the share price dropped to around 1.0 last year and subsequently rebounded to around 1.50 . After that the share price dropped slowly to around 0.62 now . This means when a company made huge profits or gains on disposal of investment , the company's share price will go up like other similar cases , like GLBHD ( TANAMAS ) , LBS , or even cases like FACBIND and TEXCHEM . It is just a matter of times .

For those who have more and strong holding power , why worry about the down side of 10 sen or 20 sen from 70 sen ? If the oil price can sustain around 60 - 70 , and Petronas started giving out contracts , SAPNRG is the leader in Oil and gas industry , surely it will get contract . When oil price dropped from US 100 per barrel in year 2014 to around US 30 in January 2016 , US big investment banks said oil price will drop further US 20 or even lower , but did it happen ? No , it didn't . Oil price dropped to US 26 and make a U TURN to more than US 60 now .. For a big listed company like SAPNRG , a lot of sharks need to cari makan , its share price can not be hang on for long long time , unless the company can not return back to profit .

TAGB has shares issued of more than 5 billions , assuming 1 billion shares still in the hands of retail buyers , if the share price is pushed up 20 sen within a month from 0.35 , and all retail shareholders sell the shares to the sharks , the sharks will have to pay out additional 200 millions . So they will quietly and slowly accumulate until the time has come or they have no choice but have to push up the share price .

When Muhibah was trading around 0.82 - 84 few years ago , after the quarter results announced with huge losses ( included impairment losses ) , some analysts recommended sell , sell sell , target price 0.79 . What happened was Muhibah's share price shot up all the way to more than 3.00
Within a year or two years .? Same case for WASEONG when it was trading around 0.70 ,
Some analysts recommended sell , sell sell , target price below 0.50 , what happened to Waseong now , within a year shot up to around 1.18- 1.20 ??? .

Recommended to hold , but on 8 December 2017 , which was after the panic selling , they revised
their target prices to 0.73 - 1.69 , those who have revised their target prices within less than a month should have told retail buyers earlier before the panic selling ?

If you look at the target prices given by some broking firms on 28 September 2017 , ranged between 1.32 - 1.72 , on 16 Nov 2017 ranged between 1.35 - 1.72 , most of them recommended

If the trading volume is thin , it means major shareholders are not selling . If the company's future growth or prospects are good which we do not know , but the major shareholders know , then they will accumulate quietly and slowly . When analysts give good comments , the share price may had gone up a lot or even doubled from the current price . If we can evaluate the company's performance in the next one or two years , then we can decide whether to buy , to hold or to sell the share .

If the major shareholders think Puncak worth less than the market price , they should have sell most of their shares . Let all retail buyers buy more than 50 percent and dissolve or liquidate the company and get a better refund of capital .

If you look at those listed companies which have been delisted or going to be delisted , there are some similarities . The companies are in deep financial difficulties or may be worth nothing , and the daily volume is always very high or always on the top active list for few months or even years , but the share price is going down slowly . Whereas for Puncak , the daily volume is thin . If you look at HUAAN , the last few years volume was thin , it means the major shareholders are not selling . They know their companies very well and they have some informations which we don't know . We can only just the company with volume and some public data or knees .

EPF has its own way of buying and selling shares . I am wondering also why they are selling shares at this moment ? But some how later , We may discover its shareholding has actually been increased over a period of time .

Puncak has entered into an agreement with TRIPLC to a plantation cost more than 200 m, some analysts give negative comments on it . .anyhow the daily volume for Puncak is thin , it means it has reached bottom . Unless all cash disappeared within one or two years , The share price will pick up .