When you own or take responsibility for your feelings...you place yourself in a position of power and control...cherish your own emotions but NEVER undervalue them...the sign of a successful investor is their ability to control emotions by the application of reason...

Victory belongs to the most persevering...not the doubters...

We can all be sure that the greatest hope of maintaining equilibrium in the face of any situation...rest within ourselves...

Man is what he believes. If he believes in DS. Why not?..As men willingly believes what they wish...Unless you believe ..you will not understand...

Trust the one who had gone through it...Has SKPETRO gone through it????

If DS want change, DS got to make it...If DS want to progress UPWARD...DS got to DRIVE IT UPWARD...

If DScontinues with the same impulsive energy last Friday, the energy will thrust its share price upward which breaks new resistances..

The 1.22 resistance which DS is currently sitting on is a very important but very strong resistance to overcome. The 1.22 is the strongest amongst all the future resistances. DS must overcome 1.22 convincingly with lightning speed early next week and head towards 1.32, 1.36, 1.42, 1.49(strongest of the 4 resistances). If 1.49 is breached, the next major resistances are 1.54, 1.57 with the ultimate resistance of 1.65. If DS can break and stay above 1.65, it will reverse trend to uptrend from current downtrend

A mind troubled by doubt cannot focus on the path to victory...Doubt whom you will...but never yourself...Be careful that victories now do not carry the seeds of future defeats... When it is not necessary to make a decision...it is necessary not to make a decision...When you do not know what to do....get still...until you know what to do....

DS unleashed its powerful albeit sudden impulsive energy, after weeks of weakness , to convincingly break through 2 immediate resistances and sit onto of the third major resistance of 1.22 today. The 1.22 is a major resistance for DS to overcome early next week as it has lots of stale bulls at 1.22 level.... It is crucial that DS overcomes 1.22 convincingly early next week and heads towards its next major resistance of 1.32 whereas immediate support is 1.22. If it can breach upward 1.32 next week, the next resistances are 1.42, 1.52 but the ultimate major resistance for DS to overcome is 1.65. If DS breaks above 1.65, it will reverse trend from current downtrend to uptrend stock.

DS had broken two resistance 1.07, 1.13 convincing...now the immediate major resistance to overcome and stay above is 1.22...It must close at or above 1.23 today to overcome 3 consecutive resistances in a single day...that will bring confidence back to DS and attract new investors to buy the stock next week.

There is a lot of energy in DS today after so many weeks of weakness. Today DS will close with a very strong candlestick which augurs well for its future upside direction. Its uptimate target is to break above 1.65 and stay above 1.65. It will be good if DS can close above 1.23 today as that will attract more investors to buy DS next week.

IF DS cannot breach above 1.65 and remain above 1.65, it will still be continuing its downtrend...if it cannot break above and remain above 1.65, it will just be a rebound off its downtrend lows but downtrend continues. If it can break above 1.65 and surge beyond 1.65 then it will be a promising up trending stock...

Next major resistance is 1.22 ..Can DS close above 1.22 and remain above 1.22?? To reverse trend DS must close above and remain above 1.65...Can DS reverse trend to bullish trend.....current trend is still downtrend...at the moment it is just a rebound off its low...

Technically DS is weak. This stock is already in downtrend...It has yet to find its bottom price..Latest Quarter EPS of 0.7 cent/share does not give much confidence to its fundamentals. Support is now at 1.02-1.05...If this support level breaks down, it will be fast down to 50 cents. This stock has lots of stale bulls.....so any rebound will be muted. Next major resistance is at 1.12 and 1.20.

What to do? Use the rebound to sell into strength...

Based on observations of this thread....hmmm....the DS drug rehabilitation center is getting empty.....lesser and lesser DS addicts to Pavillion News broadcasts........soon it will be empty...most DS druggist had already woken up and had left the DS Drug Rehabilitation center in Pavillion Mall.... lol

Hahahaha...its DS showtime again to recruit new gullible, unsuspecting and overly trusting newbies to buy DS by following Director buying....

Just look at the facts..DS has a mediocre Q2 EPS of 0.7 cent/share, EPS YTD= 3.67 cents/share. Assuming it repeats 0.7 cents for next 2 quarters...the EPS will be only 5.07 cents/share. Govt has to tighten fiscal discipline in 2015...so DS will not secure much projects...govt income down, got projects meh??.... most likely DS performance for 2015 will be sub par growth which means it deserves a PE of max 8. At PE of 8, DS value will be only 40.3 cents/share based on FY 2014 results. What happens if DS deliver only 2.8 cents for whole of 2015?? Its value will be 8 X 2.8 cents= 22.4 cents/share... about the cost of DS gods...So if you are one of the DS gods, will you still want to buy or you are quietly selling!!! If I am one of the DS gods with such low cost of 20 cents and if I had not sold enough, I will be selling more as the visibility for DS is very hazy now...

So do the newbies still want to follow Director buying or take advantage of Director buying to sell out on Rebound??

Soon there will be more patients going into intensive care unit in "DS HOLLAND LAND HOSPITAL"

Reason for Transfer? Already Comatose...need intensive care...

hahahaha...katak yg jual DS kangkung di-pasar dan menggunakan cara penilaain harga kombinasi Monte Carlo dan Black scholes baru lah masuk dlm tempurung .....betoi betoi auntiex ia lah katak penakut sambil muntah sampah ...kikikiki

hahahaha...auntiex just hehmm & hahahaha to hide her answers & scurry hurriedly back into her tempurung just to impress on rest of i3 forumers she uses monte carlo simulation and Black Scholes pricing in her valuation of DS???.....when queried on monte carlo simulation and black scholes pricing...she just laugh it off and goes off the tangent into spinning spewing garbage land..spewing garbage totally unrelated to the subjectmatter that was being queried ...just to scurry back into her tempurung...to hide her face....Is this the stuff which DS promoters are made off...spewing, hissing garbage totally unrelated to DS....hahahahaha

chebicef...a more relevant basic question to ask auntiex is on how she knows or inputes the average future volatility of DS kangkung ala Black Scholes pricing which she sells in the wet pasar everyday.....hahahahaha

If price consolidates...the share price will consolidate with upside bias and the forthcoming Q4 results will have an impact on its future price performance...If it goes higher well the stock price will rally further....if it goes down...hmm.....it depends on how low it goes...

I am 70% confident that oil price will consolidate at current levels for the short to medium term. However there is also a 30% chance that it may not consolidate at current price levels....it may go higher or go lower... if it goes higher well the stock price will rally further....if it goes down...hmm.....it depends on how low it goes...

I am 70% confident that oil price will consolidate at current levels for the short to medium term. However there is also a 30% chance that it may not consolidate at current price levels....it may go higher or go lower...

Re-initiated investment in SKPETRO and PERISAI today as I have 70% confidence that oil price will consolidate at current levels in the short to medium term...that will impart a certain degree of certainty for the time being...but there is also a 30% chance that I may also be wrong in my view...

Re-initiated investment in SKPETRO and PERISAI today as I have 70% confidence that oil price will consolidate at current levels in the short to medium term...that will impart a certain degree of certainty for the time being...but there is also a 30% chance that I may also be wrong in my view...

auntiex,
wow I am really amazed at auntiex selling DS kangkung using Monte Carlo simulation ....lol
However there have been whispered advise not to trust monte carlo blindly
In case anyone does not understand monte carlo ...it is just incorporating probability into analysis and the model consist of basically inputs, systems and outputs which of course can be recalibrated if the inferred reality differs markedly from the reality.

So Auntiez, are your
- inputs reasonable
- is your system sophisticated?
- why do you need Monte carlo to explain what you do not understand about DS
- Is the architect of monte carlo capable of managing the inferred results to your satisfaction...hmm are you the architect ?
- are your asumptions of monte carlo reasonable....do you mind sharing with the i3 forumers here what are your assumptions?
-are the outputs realistic, how many times have you recalibrated the model
-Is your model properly validated, is it credible??

Auntiex, Is your model linear or non linear? Mind sharing with the rest of the forumers here on whether your MC model is
- a simple model
- two stage model
-mixture modelling or
-Markov chain type model?

If RM 1.05 does not hold, next support is RM1.00...If RM 1.00 does not hold, DS will go all the way down to 55 cents as supports are very weak below RM 1.00...

Looks like KLCI will go below 1766 this week...Stocks will follow KLCI down...

If 1766 is broken today or in the future days, KLCI will find support around 1730 which is an all time low in recent KLCI downtrend. If that happens DS will become a penny stock..

kris134,
Are you serious? Do you know what you are talking about or its just another of your verbal tirades without much thought put into it?lol....Do you refer to Innovative ideas such as black scholes which could not figure out the average future volatility of the DS underlying asset? lol

Auntiex,
Since you are an investor believing in black scholes , Do you know the average future volatility of the DS underlying asset? or do you know the average future volatility of DS kangkung which you are selling everyday???

If I were you selling kangkung in the market, I will just polish up on very basic info such as where is DS kangkung selling price relative to the different KANGKUNG PRICE MOVING AVERAGES. If there are customers willing to buy your DS kangkung at way above the 200 days MA, 20 days MA, just sell your kangkung lah....why want to believe so much in black scholes?? If you perceive that the future DS kangkung price will be below its 200 days MA, JUST SELL ALL YOUR KANGKUNG LEH...

Why now want to keep DS kangkung in the freezer...by the time you want to sell DS kangkung, how much price will a wrinkled frozen kangkung fetch in the market?

auntiex,
I slept extremely well since my last posting to you...erm..thank you very much for your concern though....hahahaha

I called you katak because you did indeed behave like a "katak di bawah tempurung" unwilling to stand out and be counted at DS hour of need....unlike aoyoyo who did come forth which I appreciated ....you have earned that title yourself...through what you wrote..lol

There is no need to argue about downside as under current market situation there will be downsides...the differencing factor is a matter of degree...However lets focus on DS, EVERGREEN and BJCORP...Just focus on the long term charts and ask yourself...which stock is in DOWNTREND, SIDEWAYS or UPTREND....Charts never lie over a long term period of say at least 5 years.From the charts, EVERGREEN and BJCORP had already down trended, bottomed and is now at sideways consolidation. DS just started its down trend recently on 29/10/2014 and is still down trending...

Oh yes, you were spot on with EVERGREEN and BJCORP...there is not much expectation build in.....no rumours or potential built in...a dead stock and a lot of investors will give it a miss...what does that tell you...It says a lot that its price had already bottomed...Now lets take a look at DS price performance....the downtrending price is still factoring out certain expectations built into its high price...Mr Market is not believing 100% in DS rumours and has voted it down until DS shows MR Market otherwise...the down trending oil price means that the FED govt future revenue in 2015 will be a lot lesser than budgeted...and DS depends solely on govt dished out contracts...when money is tight, can get projects meh???.....lol...what is Mr Market telling you about DS now auntiex???

Oh yes...you are a folower of Black Scholes...Black Scholes does ring a bell out loud....did'nt Myron S Scholes and Robert C Merton , both Nobel Memorial Price winners then, run LTCM to the ground.....Black scholes has only one parameter that cannot be observed in the market: the average future volatility of the underlying asset... As Ian Stewart, a British Mathematician, succinctly put it..."one ingredient in a rich stew of financial irresponsibility, political ineptitude, perverse incentives and lax regulation" due to its abuse in the financial industry"

Auntiex...looks like you are the one needing sleeping pill as you had already bought into DS rumours and Mr Market is now pricing out the rumours......hahahahahaha

auntiex,
DS truly does not deserve supporters and defenders of DS exhibiting the same mindset as what you had just exhibited...please get out of your coconut shell....don't be "katak di-bawah tempurung".. anyway Mr market always knows best no matter how hard you try to hide....

aoyoyo,
You are spot on in pinpointing "PROFIT" as the root causal factor for the current state of EVERGREEN and BJCORP bottomed price as evidenced by their dismal financial performance in the past years.

BJCORP reported improved financial performance in Q2 2014 whereas EVERGREEN reported its improvement in Q3 2014.However there is visibility that both EVERGREEN and BJCORP will improve further on their financial performance in the future quarters. However visibility for further improvement in DS financial performance is not as visible as it was before for reasons which you had already expressed succinctly.

The biggest margin of safety for any investor is the ENTRY Price. At current price of EVERGREEN and BJCORP, the downside risk is less than upside gain going forward as the management in the respective companies had already taken action to deliver better future quarterly financial figures.

DS started its bearish downtrend on 29/0/2014 and that was the reference point. With 29/10/2014 as a reference point, both EVERGREEN and BJCORP had outperformed DS todate. Everyone will acknowledge that DS was a good performing and up trending stock since early 2013 but it started its down trend on 29/10/214 and since then it had not performed.

I agree with you that nothing is certain in stock investment but it is prudent to minimize ones risk by investing in stocks with limited downside but with more upside as in EVERGREEN and BJCORP. I am not convinced that DS is a good investment stock now as there had been too much expectation built into its share price and since 29/10/2014 its stock price had underperformed. Mr market is conveying the message that DS does not deserve its high premium until it shows Mr market otherwise.

aoyoyo,
Just look at DS chart versus EVERGREEN chart...just ask yourself...will DS follow EVERGREEN chart 4 years ago when EVERGREEN started its price down from RM 1.54???????
EVERGREEN had already bottomed but DS is still down trending...have not bottomed as yet...what is DS bottom price???...don't worry the market will let you know....when DS will bottom? ...the market will let you know but you got to wait it out....but maybe its better that you ask the DS gods for guidance!!

Thank you very much for the offer of Panadol but I can sleep very well now... on the contrary ....my comments are based on DS performance to date.....you must not depend on organic comments...you will suredie with these comments...you ought to pay close attention to latest EPS, what caused EPS to be low, what are the future dents on its future EPS... If the market perceive that its future EPS will be worse than latest quarter EPS, DS will become a penny stock...so if you have 70% confidence that DS will become a penny stock, just make a decision to SELL...

hoseiliao,
In case you are still in slumberland, please be informed that EVERGRREEN had OUTPERFORMED DS starting from 29 Oct 2014 till today.

Today DS closed@RM1.05---> DOWN 65 cents or DOWN -38.24 % from RM 1.70
Today EVERGREEN closed@ 53 cents---> UP + 1.5 cents or UP +2.91% from 51.5 cents

In case you are no fully aware, DS is just 6 cents away from becoming a penny stock.

prosperous,
Since you had brought up the subject matter of EVERGREEN, EVERGRREEN had OUTPERFORMED DS starting from 29 Oct 2014 till today.

Today DS closed@RM1.05---> DOWN 65 cents or DOWN -38.24 % from RM 1.70
Today EVERGREEN closed@ 53 cents---> UP + 1.5 cents or UP +2.91% from 51.5 cents

No wonder DS is down trending towards a penny stock...look at the quality of DS promoters here or shall I say more succinctly..."lack of quality of DS promoters"....all disjointed, incoherent, lack focus on DS....maybe losing confidence in DS now.......do not have what it takes to defend DS....feel really sad and sorry for DS... what do one expect from DS drug addicts as defenders of DS who can hardly write any postings...always waiting for the next high news from Pavillion news broadcast...

prosperous,
If you have 70% confidence that DS will become a penny stock, JUST SELL
If you have 70% confidence that DS will not become a penny stock, JUST HOLD...

prosperous,
I have not reached that state that you had reached now in DS and is now telan..ing sleeping pills as my cost is lower than current price.....I can sleep very soundly... your average price is 1.82...your paper loss is now -77 cents....a whopping - 42.31% DOWN... I hope you realized your lesson now in not chasing a high price stock at 1.82 when it started at only 20 cents ..which is the level the DS gods got in.....you should have cut out at 1.69 but you did not...

WHY DID YOU ENTER AT SUCH HIGH PRICE ANYWAY? WHAT WAS THE ROOT CAUSAL FACTOR THAT PROMPT YOU TO BUY AT RM 1.82? WAS IT DUE TO THE EXCELLENT DS NEWS CONTENT COMING FROM THE PAVILLION MALL NEWS BROADCAST ????

By all means lol as much as you want and play it as long as you like ..lol...sunset means darkness comes forth thereafter....I will be very worried if I am a DS investor...it may just become a penny stock....lol..if that happens...it is not a laughing matter anymore...AMEN RIP.

auntiex,
If I were DS indeed, I will be utmost disappointed at their lack of conviction and creative ideas to defend DS...moreover their chosen name sunset doesn't augur well for DS.....what an utter disappointment...DS certainly deserves better at DS hour of need...not sunset originality, sunset tirades and sunset posting...hmm if I were DS I welcome wholeheartedly in full spirits sunrise but certainly not sunset at DS hour of need....

The best critical ideas brought forth are common property now to the DS gods and their sunset lieutenants...I am not impressed by their sunset originality nor amused by their sunset tirades vide sunset postings....seems rather strange that the DS gods are lacking firm conviction in DS at DS hour of need as rightfully they should rise to the occasion to stoutly defend and promote DS...If I were DS indeed, I will be utmost disappointed at their lack of conviction and creative ideas to defend DS...moreover their chosen name sunset doesn't augur well for DS.....what an utter disappointment...
hahahahaha

I was really amused with theatrics of the DS gods. It is the same modus operandi which is spewing garbage to pull wool over the unsuspecting but gullible DS investors EYES.

Let us do a back test starting 29/10/2014 when DS crashed below the 200 days MA and closed at RM 1.70. EVERGREEN closed at 51.5 cents on 29/10/2014.

Now let us compare todays close versus the close on 29/10/2014 when DS started its BEARISH DOWNTREND.

Today DS closed@RM1.05---> DOWN 65 cents or DOWN -38.24 % from RM 1.70
Today EVERGREEN closed@ 53 cents---> UP + 1.5 cents or UP +2.91% from 51.5 cents

The writing is already on the wall for DS. Do I need to say anything more??? Which investor is better off? DS investor or EVERGREEN investor???

I am very amused with their amateurish theatrics but not impressed as I had expected something more sophisticated......maybe I had too much high expectation of them just like the gullible, unsuspecting and trusting DS investors had too much expectation of DS .... unfortunately both the DS gods and DS itself were BIG DISAPPOINTMENT ..... I rest my case....I am sleeping very well with EVERGREEN....hahahahahaha

Posted by winterwolf > Nov 30, 2014 09:10 PM
His intention is to chase away those who comes in to share, be it good or bad, one can notice this in this forum very clearly, comparing the environment a month ago and now...even during the double limit down, it is not this much of bullshit that has been spewing consistently, occupied by a sicko !
My intention is not asking you to take the risk, its more to stand up to get rid of sick people from this forum, so that, sharing of some usefull info can be carried out here.
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Isn't the issues raised above relevant to the topic of the "Valuation of DS"...What will be the dent and future dents to DS Value. As all investors will know, there is a big difference between VALUE vs PRICE...

It is quite clear that their intention is not to address to issues raised about DS Value vs DS price for reasons best known to themselves and their sole objective expressed vide disparaging remarks, evasive statements , scolding, ridiculing , name calling, emotional tirades, intentional misrepresentation of facts, slanted representation of facts etc is to chase away those who raise issues about DS Value versus DS price and in so doing also deny the rest of the forumers the opportunity to learn the difference between DS Value versus DS Price. They had plentiful opportunities to stand up for DS by addressing to the issues and concerns of DS value versus DS Price but for reasons best known to themselves the they rather continue with their response which is very obvious to any forumer here......

Kris134,
Your reply clearly put beyond any reasonable doubt that you could not respond positively to the issues that was raised by sunztzhe... You forego your responsibility to support DS besides merely stating the obvious....

The DS gullible investors were undermined their DS gods...hooked onto periodic Pavillion news broadcast.....not by sunztzhe...fortunately sunztzhe did not invest ....if I had believed the Pavillion news broadcast... I will be in Holland now.......Kris134, you r at liberty to conclude in any way u want....you shall decide....not anyone else...hahahahaha

The real distinction is between those that adapt their purposes to reality and those that seek to mold the reality in the light of their purposes.
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Those that seek their purposes to reality had ALREADY CASHED OUT, SMILING & RELAXING. Who are these people---> These are the DS GODS and their lieutenants.... What is their mantra? I am buying...its a Value stock even though it is dented.

Those that seek to mold the reality in the light of their purposes are now in Holland and had been buying as price dips until they are'nt buy anymore and now saddled with huge paper losses whilst the DS gods had been selling --> Who are these people?? These are the Followers and the Losers ala DS drug addicts housed in Pavillion Mall...believed 2000% in Pavillion Mall news broadcast and now still salivating, waiting for the next FEEL HIGH NEWS!!

SO what is the NEW REALITY?
The new reality is the FED govt will receive RM 43 billion instead of RM 68 billion (dividends, royalty and taxes) based on PETRONAS forecast of the crude oil at USD 75/ barrel in 2015. PETRONAS President Shamsul says the Government should relook and rebalance its budget planning to adjust to the new level of oil prices.

As had been revealed over the past weeks....Nothing is so firmly believed (by those housed in Pavillion Mall ) as that which is least known.

IMPACT TO FED GOVT COFFERS
Tan Sri Shamsul Azhar Abbas the PETRONAS president and chief executive, says he has to be “politically correct” in delivering his key message.

At a press conference yesterday, Shamsul also explained that Petronas had waited for the all-important Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (Opec) meeting to conclude before addressing the media in Kuala Lumpur.

Shamsul also explains that based on the assumption that oil prices average US$75 per barrel for 2015, the state oil firm would be paying the Government about RM43bil in dividends, royalty and taxes.

This would be 37% less than the RM68bil it plans to pay the Government this year.

“The lower dividend and other payout contributions is to ensure Petronas has enough money to replenish the reserves. If we are to maintain the payouts, it will have a significant impact on our growth plans,” says Shamsul.

As such, he says the Government should relook and rebalance its budget planning to adjust to the new level of oil prices.

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PETRONAS President Shamsul says the Government should relook and rebalance its budget planning to adjust to the new level of oil prices.
The new reality is the FED govt will receive RM 43 billion instead of RM 68 billion (dividends, royalty and taxes) based on PETRONAS forecast of the crude oil at USD 75/ barrel in 2015.

What is the current price of crude oil now?? Will there be future revision if crude oil in 1H 2015 goes substantially below PETRONAS forecast of USD 75/barrel???

How will this impact on DS????
Is DS the so called Value stock a BULL TRAPPED stock which recently had transformed into a BEAR TRAPPED Stock????

If these DS gods cannot entice new unsuspecting, trusting gullible to buy off them at 1.12 next week, will there be honour amongst the DS gods??? OR Will they sell first , cash out more rather than ride DS price down as one of the gods had already stated "DS FUTURE PROSPECT ALREADY DENTED"....