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Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-06 11:36 | Report Abuse

As I have explained before, I really do not like Public Bank as a transacting bank for me simply because they are so bloody rigid. Then again, during this coming rough 2015, they may yet be the safest bank. Even HSBC my main transacting bank has to take a back seat.
Now coming back to precaution, OPEC can hold our balls anytime, and if TPPA is signed in full, US will hold our balls too. We have been exposed to the OPEC strenght when it come to putting us on our knees. So think again

tan5995

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Posted by tan5995 > 2014-12-08 09:48 | Report Abuse

Still down !

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-08 17:53 | Report Abuse

Hahahaha! Could it have been announced at a better time. 5th received 8th evening only announced. :)
Congrat AM, TT, ....

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-08 20:18 | Report Abuse

For those who remember this write up I did sometime back in 2013 about the transportation and infrastructure. One being the backbone infrastructure from South to North and the second being the transportation within the northern side. Today the term in Penang is referred to as PMTP. With the blueprint for that in the run and STP2 60acres in Gurney as part of the deal, the master plan is set to move.
If the recent valuation by AMMB is anything to go by, the additonal RM250 psf on top of the earlier RM250 Psf, the valuation will start the great ball of fire rolling in Penang coupled with the PMTP and Masterplan and couple with the confirm 60acres on Gurney for the STP2 agreement to ensure the transportation Masterplan can start moving and succeed.
For those who can see how the 3 links to mainland namely the first bridge, the PSB and underwater tunnel will extend the Mainland to the heritage Island and similarly the Island to the number of mega projects on Mainland.

Bai Zun

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Posted by Bai Zun > 2014-12-08 21:32 | Report Abuse

Hi, is it a good time to enter? Counter seem to be lower and lower

tan5995

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Posted by tan5995 > 2014-12-09 16:55 | Report Abuse

press down deliberately

shlang17

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Posted by shlang17 > 2014-12-12 16:47 | Report Abuse

today drop so much.... :(

berakah

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Posted by berakah > 2014-12-12 16:49 | Report Abuse

Tonite US market open will see another 3% drop in oil price......and might trigger a massive sell off in Dow jones, then wat will happen to our market on Monday !!

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-13 11:45 | Report Abuse

Are we really worried about oil price slump? Really?
In truth, we should be worried about Malaysia and not oil price. When oil price is down, many sectors actually benefit from it. For example, airlines can now hedge their oil in stages with larger volume, and transportation businesses can ensure at least one quarter of profit in financial performance if they capitalise the oil price drop and those companies involved in or heavilly dependent on oil indirectly will also benefit. In addition, alternative oil and/or enegrgy may have its day coming into this situation.
So in short, not all are BAD in this oil slump. What really we want to express when KLCI and majority of the sectors in Bursa are not performing is actually an expression of concern about Malaysia. We are concern because
1. When US was performing due to various indicator of economics in the last 3 weeks, KLCI was dropping
2. When oil price dip again, KLCI and all the sector it carried with it responded southwards
3.1MDB concern
4. Leadership concern.....
5. CPO price drop and unstable

So really,! think again, is oil the actual problem for Malaysia? We know that economically and globally its picking up better than any time in the last 5 years. And this problem as shared presented much of an oppotunity to most business if Malaysia can regulate its petrol price with a mechanism that actually reflect the global oil price. Example, oil price goes down 10 to 20% but our mechanism only allow price to go down 4cents. Pls calculate the % of 4cents against rm2.30.

I would worry the correct thing and not oil as my reason, and similarly the sectors should also embrace this especially those with foreign access to oil at this point.

Have a thought!!!

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-13 22:05 | Report Abuse

Is oil price drop a natural disaster? One similar to recession or economic failure? The answer is NO, and while recession as I have always said is a technical measurement, oil price and the likes of gold is not. In my previous comment, I highlighted that oil price drop per barrel measurement is NOT a disaster and it is going to help many sectors aligned to using it as day to day operation indirectly or directly..
Now that was my earlier comment and I am following up to say that the concern truly lies on the nation income from oil of RM110 billion. Imagine for 110B each quarter we are talking approx 27B. And with the recent downfall of oil at 30% approx from the prolong situation, 30% should apply fairly.
With 30%, it is fair to say 9 billion was lost in that quarter however if this prolong another quarter, it could spell more than 9B for next quarter and aggregate for 2Q may come up to more than 18B. Let's say for now the closing is a 100B revenue from Petronas vs 110B while CPO contributing between 80B would also drop to 72B ie another loss of 8B. My numbers are conservative to illustrate a total lost of close to 20B.
How much is GST suppose to rake in? Between 20 to 40B depending on who you talk to. If the numbers above contributed by CPO and Oil is worst than 20B, we will be in for a rough ride....a very rough ride. That being said, we are talking about the govt of the day. Imagine this, ppl use to say "No money no talk" it will soon be just that. GST cannot rake in fast enough.

BUT BUT!!! That does not mean the NGOs must suffer further. GST is their only pre empted commitment to the Govt of the day. Anything more will be opportunity for the market. Example, to cover the 20B lost or more, more lands may be sold, especially now that land price is escalating. The French embassy land is a good example. More may come. This is as I said an opportunity for cash rich developer to buy in and strategise their development plan.

Remember business goes on!! A lot of what our govt effort which failed example transportation, rehabilitation, etc are made to work by independent NGOs. Example, drug rehabilitation for inmates have been very successful by churches half way home and the failure of our taxi systems are being worked on over and above the failed leasing and licensing practice in today's taxi system which are mostly controlled by certain Govt party in issuing license. What this means is the NGOs are using the failed system by the govt which they cannot change and putting in a system that ensures efficiency. This today we see in MyTeksi, EasyTaxi and Uber. Hence what we are saying here is a failure of one party may be an opportunity for another.

So think and think hard what I have said. Long ago I have also said with GST, price of things will go up before the implementation of the tax and we are seeing that everywhere now. And similarly the above comments will definitely be a opportunity for the right businesses and opportunist to reap maximum from the downside of the commodity failure.

Have a long and winding thought!!!

cheeseburger

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Posted by cheeseburger > 2014-12-13 23:56 | Report Abuse

Good luck.

Posted by rocketboy91 > 2014-12-15 16:59 | Report Abuse

I think the buy time will be a 1.90. What do you guys think?

dusti

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Posted by dusti > 2014-12-15 19:28 | Report Abuse

Watch the market closely to get your desired price.......also remember "no action " is a good alternative.......GOOD LUCK!

cheeseburger

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Posted by cheeseburger > 2014-12-16 11:43 | Report Abuse

The guy talk a lot up one so quiet now...Hahaha...must lost lot money

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-16 22:48 | Report Abuse

Aiya the Burger getting anxiety...need assurance...lol

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-16 23:03 | Report Abuse

Hv said EnO is for followers...look like we found the rogue loser

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-17 08:24 | Report Abuse

Ok for the rogue loser, I recommend sell at 2.05. Otherwise you will be in BIG trouble. Don't say I didn't warn u.

cheeseburger

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Posted by cheeseburger > 2014-12-17 10:47 | Report Abuse

need you to warn? hHAHAHAaha what a joker u are. Go back to saturn, earth is not for u.

cheeseburger

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Posted by cheeseburger > 2014-12-17 10:50 | Report Abuse

pls dun think too high of urself. u r just nobody. keep talking grandmum story in this forum will bring u nowhere. A real investor dun take advise in this forum.

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-17 14:22 | Report Abuse

Looks like somebody sold at 2.05....

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-17 14:23 | Report Abuse

There was a funny man who said DEIA will be completed in 2013. OOpppps.....hahahaha

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-17 14:24 | Report Abuse

And he sold at 2.05 awaiting 1.90. ....

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-17 14:25 | Report Abuse

Double whammy for him I supposed. Now big regret for him sold at 2.05 just went up 5%.

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-17 14:27 | Report Abuse

When a person talk but do not know how to play, it shows....hmmmm he is very angry because they added lettuce to the burger. Hahahahaha.

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-17 14:28 | Report Abuse

I am laughing because as soon as he opened his mouth the price went up.....and he wasn't even asking to buy.

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-17 14:30 | Report Abuse

Pls pls listen to him....he predicted DEIA to complete in 2013 and was only 1 year wrong. Lol....

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-17 14:31 | Report Abuse

Now the burger laughs because price was going down but as soon as he comments, price goes up. How lah odd keep stacking against him.

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-18 11:17 | Report Abuse

For those so afraid of the dark, like the Cheeseburger, better don't play the market. These r ppl who do not have a direction and need assurance fr others. Of course things will go sour, but think again who are the beneficiary in this latest turnaround.
The problem with these ppl like Burger boy, they don't believe in themselves. Those bought at 2.04 or 2.05 (fr Cheeseburger), congrats and TT who bought at 2.06 to 2.10 making 5% or more of 3.9 Million shares making RM590K in this round gracious congrats.
For Burger Boy, better luck next time...lol

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-19 19:37 | Report Abuse

Hahahaha suddenly the Burger became a mute. Ppl are usually busy when market is down down to reposition, but this fella is busy when market is up, Priority wrong again.

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-20 00:40 | Report Abuse

There are always three side to a coin...namely, the heads, the tail and the roller (ie when you roll a coin). Just as the name suggest, the roller is something hard to comeby. When it does roll during a flip of the coin, it is hard to tell whether it will end at heads or tail or even stay in upright position.
Though stationary upright is hard to comeby or for some never at all, rolling is possible and have a higher probability of 1 out of 10 times happening using the right method to flip.
Since most of us are in the mode of catching the trend reversal since 3 weeks ago, this is akin to rolling a coin and guessing when the change/reversal will happen. There are many ways to place your bets. For one, those using TA will tell you to spot the bottom by matching the chart curve, price consistency and volume. While this can be tricky, those using FA would continuously bet as the price lowers in larger gap in anticipation of the largest rebound.
There is no right or wrong here however the game the two play may contradict and give a wrong impression. Example, as the gap of the price drop increases, more FA players n traders will come in in anticipation of a rebound while the TA folks will see an increase in volume at the bottom price for the day n perceived it as trend reversal (which in their term a support price). The higher the volume at the perceived support price the better, as it is seen as tapering at the bottom.
In this situation, most of the time it maybe correct because the FA folks, traders and investors sees a steep price drop as an opportunity to buy in and in relation to the TA folk, this would be a good support. After all, the volume the buyers are willing to commit is quite fix when there is a substantial drop.

Have a thought!

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-22 13:32 | Report Abuse

With the recent position of oil garnering much attention, treat the current oil price like any retail and wholesale purchases. If you think of it that way, then you will find that the traders will also be looking for this same opportunity to buy cheap.
Ever been on a shopping spree and you buy things that you don't need just because it's cheap? This will be the same case even for those who are not into OnG. While many believe the OnG are directly involving OPEC, they have come out to deny and rightfully so. Reason I m saying this is Oil is no longer a commodity that works on its own. The dwellers, the contractors, the OPEC folks, the commodity players, the alternative energy....have all sunken in a piece of each other to moderate the demand of Oil in event oil becomes scarce. Initially the oil supply was thought to be another 10 years, then 20 years, then.....so the moderation is evident and the commodity of oil should not hold market ransom if the back end has already worked out the contingency.
Hence as I mentioned in my last remark few days ago,mths beneficiary of this drop in market performance may be earning much more than expected. Imagine Oil price drop nearly 50% fr peak. If traders rush in after waiting for the plateau which may be evident, all heaven will break loose and year 2014 may eventually close with a BANG or may January 2015 may open with a BOOM.

Have a thought.....Happy Holidays....!

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-22 14:44 | Report Abuse

This is a better url for OIL....for ref

http://www.oil-price.net

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-22 15:34 | Report Abuse

Feeding Frenzy....

Be mindful, when you see such things you call a roadblock or resistance....a resistance is a resistance when the volume keeps adding for a immediate selling price even though taker/buyers are not abound.
HOWEVER,
A perceived roadblock is when volume at sellers price keep adding WITH takers. What you will commonly see is the sellers keep adding volume which seems like a roadblock at however if monitored closely, the volume each time is taken up by buyers similarly in the case of support where the sellers will take whatever volume the buyer throws out.

In cases like this, BE MINDFUL, it could be Feeding Frenzy. This is a case where an exchange is taking place but avoiding the obvious.
Why do they want to exchange by adding volume instead of putting all in?
Most cases is to delay the price fr moving up. The reason for doing so is to control the substantial volume from moving the price up and then dropping the due to irregular buyers. By selling at a certain price, it ensure either
1. They clear the irregular buyers or
2. There is an exchange going on. This Exhange will not see buyer at the queue. They just take the sellers price once the seller loads.

So have a look at your counter and determine if the case is one of the mentioned. If it is, especially if there is a transaction between buyer seller to delay ( for whatever reason), you only have to wait to see the outcome. From the outcome, you will learn the counter that you play and you will learn the Managment of the company.

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-22 22:55 | Report Abuse

I like the word plateau...bottom plateau, ceiling plateau....plateau or tapering or what ever you call it, it is an indication of reversal or likely reversal. A plateau happens based on my earlier explanation. Today, we are not talking about plateau for what it is but rather what it does to the market. The last week saw a rebound in the KLCI but do we know really why?

Our market is FCUK market....we anticipate opposite. Take for instance the currency difference vs USD (url as below) As soon as the ringgit vs usd decline due to weak ringgit (denoted by the higher MYR per USD) many already ran. The reason for the abandoment by foreign investors are mainly due to the fact that they may lose even when win due to the exchange rate. This coupled with the double whammy of oil price depression, one can imagine the investors' losses with the effect of OnG stocks creating a domino effect on the other counter. Hence the foreign funds pull out for safe haven of cash kingdom.

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDMYR:CUR

So this is what I want you to think about. With both double whammy showing a plateau, thus bringing some interest back to the market and moving the KLCI forward....what do you think is next?
As with the chart in the url above on MYR vs USD which is tapering off the ceiling, it must show the actual improvement if the exchange performance for MYR now. This movement of KLCI is only anticipation of the plateau to form the upward curve..similarly with the Oil. If the tie over to 2015 shows promising with the both these indicator showing the right trend, there will be a larger margin to be met in this short period.

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-24 21:34 | Report Abuse

While everyone is debating on the oil price below USD62 to 20, my question is ...Is this really the issue? Maybe we need to narrow down three notches...
Notch 1 OPEC vs Non-OPEC
Once we understand that then
Notch 2 Middle East vs OPEC
Then only we see, the real stun gun
Notch 3 ISIS vs Allies

You see, in the fight against ISIS, one has to know where the money is coming from...some says weapons are supplied by Turkey while many believe illicit flow of black money is funding this group. While the leader of ISIS used to be in US detention, he was also given free access to mingle and create a hierarchy in the detention center. Now we know, when hierarchy is allowed to be created amongst detainees, it always creates leaders amongst the group. This is the same way cells are created. Hence the Taliban are actually created in the same way by the CIA to oppose the Russian in Afghanistan the same way.

Today the enemies are literally within us. As the world become more borderless, attacks can be virtual to disable the very core of things that ensure the superpowers to be in existence. It may also be attacks from within the country similar to the 911 style or even getting into the minds of the next generation thru propaganda and education system. You see in the US especially, there can be many elective and subjects that can be thought in their Universities that can lead to this propaganda being thought or passed on without being obvious. I shall not elaborate too much and I believe you get my idea of indirect atTack.

Now back to Notch 3, while I believe some of the Middle East group (minority group) is funding this movement, the majority opposing it may have to pay the price. I hv used the term stun gun to describe the situation, as I believe it will be temporary to stun the funding in this unseen, virtual, borderless war.

I will reiterate, THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION.....NOTHING HERE IS REAL, TRUE OR PROVEN. DO NOT TAKE THIS AS AN ADVICE OR A FACT. ITS JUST A STORY AND UNTIL IT BECOMES A FACT, TREAT IT AS READING PLEASURE AND FICTION.

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-26 09:10 | Report Abuse

I cannot remember in any years of Malaysia independence since 1957 that we ever have so many disaster in a year. We had 2 MAS disaster, we had tornados, we had dry spell, we had religious issue, we had inflation and a continuous one, LCW doping, violence in our football, more extremist group emerging........and now floods at national level emergency.

Next year we may have new challenges however I do not believe it can be as bad as the one we just went thru.

So I will start by wishing All A Happy New Year and a better 2015!!

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-26 13:32 | Report Abuse

How do you play bonus and warrant...?

There are many ways to play these exercise shares however apart from players game, this exercise involves heavily on the company management and also the Investment house carrying out these exercise. For one, the exercise execution/nominated dates ie. the VWAP/TEBP, the ex-date announcement, the ex-date itself, the listing and quotation of the bonus and warrant are all very key. For example
1. VWAP/TEBC - this will provide a perceived premium of the warrant. The higher the premium the less desirable the warrant.
2. The dates between announcement of ex-date to the date itself. This is and should be short, normally within 2 weeks to avoid protracting and allowing manipulation to the price.
3. The third is also very key ie. The investment Hse carrying out the due exercise. This is so because their announcement and consistency in track record and execution will ensure the success of their next entrusted exercise.
4. This fourth point is less obvious however it is still key. Again I suggest those who look at this to do some homework. First take all previous exercise and compare the TEBP vs the Actual Ex-Date price against the point number 3. If you see something there, good for you. This is very important but less obvious.
5. The listing dates Bonus and Warrant. Most of the time if not all Bonus will be ahead. Apart from. The obvious answer, there is also another reason.
6. The company and their management themselves. How the company and mgmt view market, shareholders, traders, reputation...all hinge on them. If they forgo their reputation to make money from investors, traders,.....

So think again .....market is unpredictable. I Hv earlier said the year will end with positive. When I said that, I said that with conviction barring against things that involve unforseen natural disaster or explicit man made issue like oil. I still hold tight to that. While I cannot control most of these, I can control what I know will happen right?.
If you know you put money into FD at 3% interest, you know you will definitely get that interest upon maturity right? And if you know it's 3 % you definitely know how much you are getting right?
That's my point, and the only uncertainty is if the bank goes bankrupt, otherwise you are assured. So this is the same as those things in market that you are certain of. I have listed the 5 points that you can be certain of with the only down side being the market pressure.

I held 8 counters earlier this year and am down to 4. Amongst the 4 that I have sold, One really stood out as a sore thumb in meeting those criteria especially no 6. Not only did it not meet, they played their own stock and they played it down due to their greed. That counter has been blacklisted amongst many investors. I believe those who followed would know which counter I am talking about.

Hope my message is clear..!

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-27 01:02 | Report Abuse

Investment is an art. Most ppl here want direct answers. Technicality can only be accurate if no external and unforeseen dabbles with it. I can tell you if you buy like I buy and sell like I sell, I may make and you may lose. The reason here is very simple, while technicality like TA or FA gives you an equation to a high probable answer just like 1+2+3+4=10 but in real world it is normally 1+2+3+X=?. The idea here is to get as many answers in the equation and hopefully just having to pick one variable like the example. I try not to pick one with too many variables as the odds would stack up.
Now coming back to my former statement, of following a buy and sell but one makes money while the other doesn't. One reason is a threaded buy and sell. This means that eg Player 1 may have multiple cheaper buy and sell higher while player 2 may have a single buy with lower margin or none at sell price.
The example below show EPF selling on the same day with almost equal volume. You may wonder why and the answer is as stated above. They have many threaded buy and their selling & buying on same day is for reasons of accounting for the profit of each threaded buy.

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed-companies/company-announcements/1795997

I will share another example of threaded buys in the manner of averaging down in the next example

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-27 01:27 | Report Abuse

Following my last statement, this is a very good avg by Datuk Wong Kuo Hea. Though this is not exactly a threaded buy, but the characteristic of buying at diff price is what I want to get at. In this case he did an avg for the day and he did it heavier volume at the lower price. This means 2 things, one to protract the drop in price of his counter and second to support the price as much as possible while accumulating. If this was done in two buys eg first set of volume buy at 3.65 and second volume at 3.56 (instead of the 10 buys in the example below), he would have a 9cents gap we would have a threaded buy. Imagine he Dato had a buy call to you at 3.65 while he also avg down to 3.56, you would have held at 3.65 while his lowest is 9 cents below. So when he call for sell say at 3.70, he would have a 14cents margin of profit in his second threaded buy sell while you only have 5cents only margin to play.

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed-companies/company-announcements/1834521


On the same note, the play above is more likely a supporting play, ie to support the price drop because if he was collecting for rebound, the gap of collection would have been bigger instead of every cent.

Have a thought!

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-28 16:21 | Report Abuse

I wrote a piece some month ago whether Malaysia was under attack.....???? A Big question mark then and I cited some facts and lately again I wrote again on virtual and borderless attacks.
I am NOT suggesting anything out of the ordinary except that of hints and signs pointing to the new world order we live in.
During WW2 the Germans and Japanese and even the Americans were testing a lot chemical and biological warfare to subdued their enemies. These atrocities were recorded, some more obvious than other especially the torture chambers used by Japs and Germans to torture and experimented with soldiers of war. The Americans too were involved in such atrocities probably less obvious like the agent orange used in the Vietnam war. All these experiment then was to bring down their enemy in the most effective and efficient way. This include gases, chemical, biological and even atomic. There were no human rights then or rather not seen like what we have today.
We hv gone one full cycle with human rights and governing bodies today like NATO, UN, and other various bodies that represent either NGO bodies in combating such thing as slavery, rules of engagement in war, and world order policies. The ironic thing is these full cycle brought back what these bodies and policies tried to prevent in a modern day interpretation of the same thing. Today the war attrocities are coming back in the form of modern violence in ISIS, Al Qaeda, human slavery in prostituition, to nuclear development in Iran and North Korea to cyber attacks that can cripple a countries economy to ransom attacks (such as those seen in recent OPEC and NON-OPEC spate) and stock market manipulation to etc. So hv we got better? Hv we become more civilized or are we destined to leap forward with new policies that can address the world order before evolution of cycle brings it back in future again? We can see the US are trying to bring back world order in many areas and attempt and some in the business/economic areas like TPPA, anti monopoly, anti trust, regulated open market, terms of mutual interest and so on though most are to benefit them especially those involving INtellectual Properties.

When looking at all those points that I hv highlighted above, one cannot ignore the fact that something's can hardly be coincidence. 3 planes gone and all from Malaysia? Obama becoming the first President to visit Malaysia in 50 years?, Global oil price war in demand and supply which will hurt Malaysia's 110Billion revenue, CPO decline (probably the least amongst them all since CPO is also affected by weather) and many more which I hv highlighted in my last writing. I am NOT suggesting this is a modern day war on Malaysia, but there are too many coincidences levied against us and Malaysia has also show many weaknesses in our country Managment and dependence on the two key oil and CPO as our revenue, until we hv to do a "diplomacy golf"
As the name ransom attacks suggest, I believe we are into the new world order where ransom attacks can be one method used to push for thing and even more so with those countries where the Managment and execution is weak and Mnaged thru emotions/politics more than wisdom and intellects.

Have a wonderful Weekend of what is left.!,

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-28 16:30 | Report Abuse

Strange Tony sold much of his holding in Tune Insurance since Dec 22.

Saturn

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-28 22:46 | Report Abuse

EMany have formed an opinion of a disastrous 2014, the year of Wooden Horse. Many prediction of Feng sui did not turn up accurate including banks and airlines. As though the lost of MH370 to kick off 2014 Horse year (in the first quarter) was not bad enough, it is ending with AirAsia similarly in the last 3mths before the year of the Sheep kicking off on Feb19 2015. Many are less optimistic of flying in any Asian airlines until we are into year of the Sheep. After all CNN has depict as if Indian Sea and South China Sea where Thailand, Indonesia and Australia has formed the new Bermuda Triangle. Who could blame them especially with the severe weather conditions faced in Thailand and Malaysia.

Is the year of the Sheep better? I don't know, and have to wait until the 3 Masters/Sifu appear again to give their prediction. One of classical feng sui, the other of marketing feng sui and the last based on modern views. Personally I m not a big fan of feng sui prediction and not that I don't believe in energy but I doubt the ones who interpret them for a living. So on a personal note, I am awaiting Sheep year with hope of a better tomorrow more so than the Western calender ending which changes to 2015 in 4 days.

The thing about of this energy thing, if explain from the Western perspective makes more sense while Feng Sui is a eastern thing. The way Feng Sui has been explain sometimes takes the view to a whole new perspective of anything can happen. Example if metal is good, they can interprete it as vault, and vault as banks and hence banks will do well or maybe even car industries or airline which the body of the vehicle or plane is made of. However if explain from energy perspective can make more sense. You see energy can neither be created or destroyed. It's transference....example wind to windmill, to rotation of the wheel to water fetched to .....or even windmil to motor to transferred energy to run a certain operation. Once this energy completes its cycle, it goes into end product which can be food product and when consume it release energy which as humans is needed for our bodily function and physical requirement to get work done again and this cycle goes round and round until we die and our body become fertilize for the earth to reproduce etc.

So in the same way, if in chinese Feng Sui, metal is good for a certain years say Horse year, We know 2014 is a wooden horse, while the Horse is a positive sign as a running horse is a successful sign and they believe wood (from Wooden Horse) fuel the horse (as wood burns easy with Fire) hence they predicted a good year for airlines which runs on fuel while others say that Malaysian airline is Mah Hong which directly oppose the year of the horse. Now how that Air Asia is also affected? AA is not Mah Hong so why are they affected of possible crash? The chinese context of explanation is so complex that it can be many many reasons while I won't say it is wrong, I would say it is really interpretation.

What if I explain it this way, ....fire impedes a good running horse if the horse is wooden because wood burns well and the horse will be affected hence not run well. This can maybe explain why the horse cannot run and in general airlines affected and global oil price affected and our own petrol price has been sky high. While some actually say house are wood hence not good.....I would explain it from this point....houses in Malaysia has probably only 10% wood which makes the roof trusses and the rest are bricks made of clay or cement. Clay is earth and not wood. They help support wooden horse and probable less likely to burn. I am not here to re-write Feng sui and neither am I trying to fit a story which already has happen with a warp explanation but I like to think 2014 has a bIG BIG energy transferred from a burning Wooden horse and instead of being good, it became overwhelming and out of control as earlier this year we had dry spell and the fire was hot and the recent wet spell has created a turmoil in changing the condition of the situation. Like any massive change (a red hot burning wooden horse during a dry spell to wet closing dousing the fire towards the Sheep year.

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-28 22:48 | Report Abuse

Makes sense?? It's a fulfilling story to explain....while explaining backwards is easy after events have already happen end, predictingfuture is very hard. It's hard because there are a million factors from Free Will in each of us to Will of GOD to fate, to every other western zodiac sign, animal sign, location and etc. I know I sound as if I have gone one full cycle in trying to explain but that is exactly what I want you to think. Is there really a 100% pattern to a future when the possibility is so wide.? The answer is YES. Example if you are learning to ride a bicycle, there are a million thing to consider....ie how to balance, how to fall, how to overcome fear, how to coordinate while looking out for traffic etc however once you grasp it, all the concern become secondary.

So you can train yourself to read a situation once you are very familiar and take the appropriate response even though you cannot predict all the way and the future accurately.

What say you??

Posted by PakChuiCheng > 2014-12-29 18:14 | Report Abuse

Lousy counter.

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-29 22:37 | Report Abuse

Finally the pain in my arse is gone, gone on 22nd Dec...5 trading days ago. I feel wonderful. Is it time to get my new toilet....I think I will refurbish my whole toilet now to brass and gold with black tiles. You bet it's going to happen just watch

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-30 00:41 | Report Abuse

I just only wrote on threaded buy and sell, the biggest of them all has finally decided to leave this counter. Never been a fan of these bloodsuckers even when they invest my money. After all threaded buy sell does not allow appreciation.
This is because each time they buy and sell earlier than you,it creates a vacuum.
How?
Look at your daily buy n sell queue. If the queue has a lot of seller or buyer, you will notice either one or the other (ie either seller or buyer will relent) and if buyer relent and buy at seller price, the shr price will move up n similarly seller selling at buyer price, price will come down. When I instituition buys fr market, they normally do not queue. What they will do is wait for the seller queue to swell up before coming in n buying at their price. Reason why they wait is because normally first thing in the morning players are more cautious n may not queue but wait for market to settle in. In many cases, player come in after 10am after having a feel of the market especially during these turmoil mth where oil & MYR exchange are stacked against us.

Once these Instituition are happy with the queue, ie happy that take up has entered stalemate where both buyer n seller will not relent on their price, the investment house will be happy to take the price of seller and the counter price will move north momentarily. This is the reason why shr price go up quickly b4 coming down in a slide. In this game, the investors are collectors only. However if large scale investor are riding on the wave, this becomes a bull.

Hence my reading is simplified into 2 category, a bull or a collection, if the day ends with a substantial volume. As explained, a collection by large collector may cause shr price to fluctuate north momentarily before dropping. So imagine if the collector plays threaded buy sell. You n I will be watching many sea waves. Sea waves in the sense that there will be many ups and down due to threaded buy sell.

If you understand what I m saying above, it is always desirable to get more VIP investors rather than VIP traders who create these waves. The term wave here is succession of up n downs in the share price with volume. So imagine this also, if a VIP trader buys all in the seller queue, it will create a vacuum betwen buyer n seller queue right? When that happens, the the individual buyer normally unlikely to follow thru with further higher buy n will maintain at the earlier buyer price hence the price will drop. A bull however can be manufacture by a player by buying in succession in emulate demand instead of waiting for volume of seller to pick up before buying all at one go. In this way, sellers will keep adding in believe that demand is there n hopefully more other buyers will come in and follow thru. This is only good if volume are not big in sellers queue.

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-30 20:35 | Report Abuse

Can ppl predict future like Nostradamos or a clairvoyant or a medium or bomoh? The answer is a yes and a no unfortunately because when they predict correctly, all eyes are on them while they fail, the Mickey will be taken out of them. I just receive an interesting email on the "International backhand" ...the Iluminati Watcher ....calling himself Landlord who has been predicting an attack on AA for quite sometime now after MH 370 and MH17 and only stopped posting two weeks ago just prior to the 8501 crashed.

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/airasia-flight-qz8501-black-hand-illuminati-conspiracy-theories/
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1048212/pg1

If you believe in the China secret agent " " thingy, that maybe a good story for you. The idea above seem rediculous before it happened but this guy has a large following, now that it has happened. As I have always said, future has many variable, from free will of individuals to malice of humans to fate or takdir tuhan to GOD's Will. Whichever it is, this is definitely GOD's Will or takdir tuhan and not any of the above mentioned blackhand. The reason I say that is because to bring down a plane apart from malice and cruel planned intentions, the situation has got to be right ...example the flight has got to fly over say a war zone like MH17. In the 8501 situation which was bad whether at the extreme, it would be a miracle that an attack can be orchestrated without the ability to control the situation ,ie the weather with 7 other flights around the same area and almost same time. This has got to be a super extreme coordinator to pull out an attack like this if its true maybe a possibility of 0.001% that it can happen as planned.

So even when a person gambles on a prediction without knowing the outcome, if he manages to get it right he will be worship until his next prediction after which we will know who and what real ability he has in forecasting future. The idea here today is getting as much prediction correct based on controlled environment. After all who can tell with certainty what calamity will happen tomorrow or what response the market will have on that news until it happens.

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Posted by Saturn > 2014-12-30 21:02 | Report Abuse

How abt this one 370 + 17 + 8501 = 8888. This is exactly what I wrote abt on Feng Sui yesterday. It's always easy to find a resemblance or pattern after thing happen and anything b4 that is interpretation.

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