Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 15:22 | Report Abuse

everyone has a right to their opinions only time will tell..i stand by what i say..

Posted by rich kueh > 2012-11-20 15:24 | Report Abuse

welcome back , that was fast

Posted by rich kueh > 2012-11-20 15:25 | Report Abuse

love this forum cause we can give opinions freely without prejudice

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 15:26 | Report Abuse

thanks@rich kueh... first of all we are all here to learn OK .. i appreciate all your opinions...but sad to say.. it is all useless to me..look at digi...and the telcos...as far as i am concerned i am right.. until a say comes when i see i am wrong.. i will admit it..but i am yet to be proven.. i understand all you singh haters here dont like me..but its fine.. you are using emotions in the stock market..its normal

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 15:27 | Report Abuse

@mat cendana please la.. you have to follow what is being said.. i cant repeat the same things again and again.. read up follow or just dont comment on me and what i say.. thank you for your kind attention

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 15:30 | Report Abuse

i still say sell TELCOs SELL.. i sold mine already.. but i will buy back later... digi at rm3...like i said

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 15:32 | Report Abuse

still no rebound for digi lovers?? gosh.. i am waiting for your sayings to come true.. waiting.. singh is waiting...

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 15:33 | Report Abuse

i respect all your opinions..i do.. i hope i can use some of it.. but i cant..you all use facts and figures to determine market price of shares..but sorry to say markets dont work like that...not entirely that it

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 15:41 | Report Abuse

you telco lovers will see my predictions come true..todays rebound not looking for telcos...

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 15:43 | Report Abuse

i am sorry telcos are going down.. but i am not doing it.. i am just telling you from before why it will go down.. dont be angry with me..i will not talk about telcos anymore.. i am sorry for those who have it and did not hear my sell calls..

Posted by sooncafe > 2012-11-20 15:54 | Report Abuse

Rm3 is it too cheap?????

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 15:55 | Report Abuse

muahahah..we will see..i have good memory..long term and short and i do not use emotions in stocks.. i see rm3...REMEMBER... YOU MUST LOOK BEYOND WHAT YOU SEE...

Posted by sooncafe > 2012-11-20 15:56 | Report Abuse

Is it coming of election?

Posted by ongtkong > 2012-11-20 16:10 | Report Abuse

Posted by DaveSingh > Nov 20, 2012 03:30 PM | Report Abuse

i still say sell TELCOs SELL.. i sold mine already.. but i will buy back later... digi at rm3...like i said


@Dave, you should be a happy person if you are making money from the sale of your telcos stocks......but your comments and outpouring of emotions are telling a different story......my advice is don't play contra, aiming to get rich overnite....and get caught with your pants down.

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 16:13 | Report Abuse

i hold onto shares for a long time never played contra.. my shares are different.. that is why u dont see me in those contra counters forums... i dont know how to play contra la..i prefer casino for that.

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 16:22 | Report Abuse

singh, since you dont want to answer in Kfima thread my question, i post it here again. Maybe you are worried the bighats in Kfima will bamboo you!

Posted by KC Loh > Nov 20, 2012 04:18 PM | Report Abuse X
singh, if digi hits RM3, what is lowest possible price for Kfima?
i dont buy breweries, please read up. Only good telco :)

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 16:23 | Report Abuse

let us reason then like gentleman, and not make it personal. If you can see a blue chip falling to RM3, you can surely calculate how low the price of Kfima and GasMsia can go right? I am sure you can! :)

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 16:34 | Report Abuse

hmm.. i agree@KCloh...its more to KFIMA and gas malaysia then you know...you must look beyond what you see...i dont care if KFIMA comes down...i will buy.. what it can come too i got to look up the charts.. in a few days ask me again...BUY KFIMA...it is a keeper..

Posted by minitrader > 2012-11-20 16:37 | Report Abuse

DaveSingh...hosien...

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 16:38 | Report Abuse

ok, i am sure many here will ask you KFima in a few days. How many days you need for that? we are very open and forgiving! even you need extra time to suddenly consult charts also (no more looking beyond? confusing la!?!), we can give you extra time. Just give us a timeframe like you did Digi 0-15 months! :)

boleh ah singh?

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 16:45 | Report Abuse

i would buy KFIMA down but not digi..no goodies from digi la..gave already.. too much to say about kfima.. please go read in kfima site

Posted by shirley1 > 2012-11-20 16:45 | Report Abuse

Ya la, agree with KC the success of a counter need some time la, VT regretted never stay with digi too.. btw, also got keep kfima, also dont believe it cannot go up... haha

Posted by kcchongnz > 2012-11-20 16:48 | Report Abuse

Wah you guys can look at charts to predict what price a stock will be in the future, damn good man. Fat tat loh.

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 16:49 | Report Abuse

define "you guys", kcchongnz!

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 16:52 | Report Abuse

the easiest thing to do is look at the charts...it helps in predicting future prices...but just a tool...lots of other factors too..you should try it..for example...look up graph for ppbank and look up chart for maybank and tell me what you see.. 20 years charts..

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 16:53 | Report Abuse

how many days required, singh? let's stick to Kfima. You are going off tangent!

Posted by kcchongnz > 2012-11-20 16:54 | Report Abuse

K C Loh, those people who talked about using charts to predict future prices loh

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 16:55 | Report Abuse

very very interested to try reach bottom price of Kfima. Hallmark of TA analysis. if singh can help, surely i will send donations to the Punjabi orphanage in PJ.

can ah singh? many at stake now! i will keep my promise if you can give the lowest of Kfima vis-a-vis Digi reaches RM3. Dont lack of confidence now! :)

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 16:55 | Report Abuse

hehehe, ok kcchongnz. I admit i am learning from them too! :)

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 16:57 | Report Abuse

kcchongnz, it might be of interest for you to know their method too! afterall, KFima is in your radar too! maybe your input may be good from a FA point of view when singh has kept to his word and return with a figure when Digi is RM3 between now and 15 months!

i have always thought highly of your analyses!

Posted by kcchongnz > 2012-11-20 17:09 | Report Abuse

K C Loh, I tried to learn TA also. You see the famous Malaysian bloggers are mostly TA based. Dali, Alex Lu etc. Many formal FA people also went TA leow. Who doesn't want to make money man. Also read thoroughly the book by Corey Rosenbloom: "The complete trading course". Catch no balls. Maybe my mind is too closed. I can't imagine one can predict how the crowd of thousands of people would move,just by looking at the footsteps of the previous crowd. You know thousands of them.
Yeah K C Loh, though we may have different views, I respect yours very much too.

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 17:09 | Report Abuse

hehe, sometimes i think of kcchongnz, and still see no one dare take him his challenge to punt in warrants! I think they see you as headmaster of Wharton! LOL you are really a gem la kcchongnz! so far i think the brave one that attempted in Mat Cendana right? hahahaha

Mat, where are you bro? dont pussyfoot around la since you into warrants and what not! do a test case together with HM kcchongnz for the benefit of all la. What la you! hehehehehe

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 17:11 | Report Abuse

i agree with you kcchongnz on your last post! and i tend to think my stress level will head northstar if i ever venture into TA. cant sleep looking at the monitor day and night!

in that, i am glad you came in at the right moment, a whiff of fresh air, until you utilize fartology on MWE! hehehe....

Posted by PureBULL . > 2012-11-20 17:14 | Report Abuse

Wow KC Loh, U put such a big title for kcchongnz.
Well put, man.

Posted by Melvin G > 2012-11-20 17:18 | Report Abuse

Everyone can bull shit about future prediction. It can also reach RM 8 and the other singh will probably said " I told you to buy few years ago! no regret! "

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-20 17:29 | Report Abuse

SELL TELCOs...profit taking in telcos due to long run up in price..

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 17:35 | Report Abuse

Purebull, kcchongnz has been a positive contributor all these while. He started out as an angry man, of which the reasoning escapes me. But lately, the "fire" in him abated somewhat from my observation in his postings, even admitting sometimes he makes mistakes.

But mind you, overall, i welcome positive contributors like him! he is a boon to the forum and for people like me in case i have the mentality i know it all! The world always have smarter people than us even when we don't want to admit it! staying grounded! :)

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-20 17:36 | Report Abuse

but i also meant it when i said his fartology in the KFima thread in answering to MWE is non-welcomed! hehehehe

Posted by Mat Cendana > 2012-11-20 18:36 | Report Abuse

@kcchongnz, Charts as in Technical Analysis? When it comes to predicting, all of us are doing/have to do it regardless of his method:-) Even if one prefers fundamentals over TA, he *is* forecasting what the future may likely hold when he makes a trade - buys when he forecasts (although we often use "thinks") the company/counter will do well or sell when it's otherwise. We have to do this because we don't know the future until it actually happens.

From my understanding, the better use for charts is to spots patterns in the counter's price movements which come about due to the actions by various faceless people behind these. I'm still in the greenhorn category when it comes to TA and the usage of charts. But have to admit that they are very useful in helping me know more about a counter's movement tendencies. Coupled with fundamentals, plus that unscientific gut feeling factor, charts help a lot with the trading decisions.

By the way, for those who are also relatively new with TA, here is a good site where you can start: http://agorafinancial.com/trading-experiment/?page=portal

Take the time to follow this particular module, including in doing the pre-lesson and post-lesson quiz. Plus watch the 30-minute video.

Posted by Mat Cendana > 2012-11-20 18:49 | Report Abuse

The Agora Financial training module: although I'm trying to implement what I've recently learned i.e. in trading counters with ascending triangles, I'm also using `my own system' when trading call warrants. With CWs, one often have to jump the gun, use gut feeling and simply jump in.

Like today - I've been following the telcos and despite their TAs not indicating a "Buy", I still went in for TM-CU. Reason? Ex price of 6.00 and ratio of 5:1 are reasonable, and I have until 30/9/13 for it to move. At 0.04... I'm willing to risk it regardless of what the charts say. Should TM stage a mild rebound of just a few sen in the next few days, I don't think I can get the CU at that price again. And you guys who are also into warrants should know this - it doesn't take too much for a CW to rise 30%.

Posted by kcchongnz > 2012-11-21 08:22 | Report Abuse

Mat Cendana, you are really the only one who read my posting on punting on call warrants. We should find some good punts together. shouldn't we?

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-21 08:37 | Report Abuse

SELL TELCOs the big boys are selling and will not be buying anytime soon...commensense...almost 20% of portfolios are in telcos.. if u want to make profits and run.. what do you sell?? easy answer... telcos... think about it.. dont care about PE ratios, profits.. because the market is about making money and emotions on top of numbers...

Posted by DaveSingh > 2012-11-21 08:47 | Report Abuse

Slow downtrend in markets means local funds selling... not foreign funds...so that means portfolio reorganization going on.. there will be some losers and some winners..the worst kind of market is a slow downward market..think about it...

Posted by wongcw60 > 2012-11-21 09:01 | Report Abuse

like ongtkong i don't play contra and i guess it was a case of good timing(or dumb luck) when i sold at at 5.50 after keeping dg for about a year.

Posted by kcchongnz > 2012-11-21 10:23 | Report Abuse

Mat Cendana, thanks for the link on TA. I guess TA is like a religion, whether you believe and have fate on it. And I think it is also a good guide for your punting on call warrants; because in punting call warrants, we don't care much about the fundamentals of the business. We only care about price and volume. Of course the other more important thing is some knowledge of probability. For investing, I think the fundamentals of a business are more important. One thing about TA is that one is using a strategy for gambling. with who? Big timers, insiders, remisiers etc whose rice bowls depend on all these charts. Hence the odds are against a small timer. I am a gambler as you know, but I don't like odds stacked against me.

Posted by Fat Cat Tim Buddy > 2012-11-21 10:28 | Report Abuse

mc dont invest in alcohol stock like gab, because he/she is a muslim, but he/she punt warrant like a gambler hahaha

anyhow, call warrant is a zero sum game, if you win, someone else must lose, so i dont think anyone will argue about cw is different from gamble.

Posted by Mat Cendana > 2012-11-21 10:29 | Report Abuse

kcchongnz, Actually many people do read your posts on CWs... because there are many people here who are into it. But they might be more focused on different counters... their own favourites. I'm okay with any counter, as long as it's not obviously `haram' like GAB, Genting and the likes.

Main criteria - 1) Fundamentally okay 2) TA shows an uptrend. But often we have to jump the gun. Can't wait for it to breakout first before buying. By then it would be too expensive and risky, without a safety margin.

By the way, the Dialog-CL you mentioned is doing well today:-) It's already profitable but I think I'm going to wait a bit. The possibility of it striking is quite good.

Posted by kcchongnz > 2012-11-21 10:44 | Report Abuse

Playing call warrants is really gambling, no doubt about it. You win some. and lose some. Hopefully the earlier one. It all depend on how the underlying shares are moving, for you or against you. Some of the call warrants I talked about, one will lose money, sometimes a lot too. For example AA CW, from 4 and 4.5 sen to 2 to s.5 sen now. Sime CR, you should laugh already if you don't lose money when I said "punt" when it was 3.5 sen. Can't help because we bet that the mother share will go up but they didn't. And the loss is amplified because of the big gearing. Of course if you follow me in Dialog CL, DRB CJ, Asupreme LA etc, you could have made big money too if, only if you are smart enough (or rather lucky enough) to sell at the right time. There is no free lunch here.

Posted by josh > 2012-11-21 18:17 | Report Abuse

Notice that recently EPF and Amanahraya keep increase MAXIS stock while the same EPF reduce its DIGI stock, any sifu, expert, pls advise on this?

Posted by KC Loh > 2012-11-22 11:39 | Report Abuse

c'mon, sell to me at 4.78