Posted by 4u2c > 2014-08-14 23:37 | Report Abuse

ok,face the facts Probably, sell down.......So follow -. sell n bite the bullet. OR Average. it .........game begins, determine the lowest point....n then enter.....relax......when shares is up, chase but when shares is down ,look for the sound ........its SILENCE ..then buy........

Posted by up_up_up > 2014-08-15 06:20 | Report Abuse

Kukuman is correct, when shares is down you start to hear all kinds of cursing :-D

Posted by bowman > 2014-08-15 09:18 | Report Abuse

Well if you have been trading this share since 20plus sen, going in and out when the time is ripe, I guess it is okay because you would have realised a tidy profit already. Also, this is probably not a hit and run case - and I do not deny that. You buy in, keep long and prosper when your research is impeccable and your guess spot-on. Just my two sen.

Posted by singinvestor > 2014-08-15 11:19 | Report Abuse

Oh Bowman, it's will be greats that I have a client like you if I am a remiser.
You give them so much commission whether you win or lost.
Bursa also like you too.

Posted by psd57 > 2014-08-15 11:26 | Report Abuse

bowman; wise words from ur goodself. A true reflection of ur good and humble character. Me and my banker friends hv followed Brahmal's investment foray into SCICOM and SMART; also I still hv my balance portfolio of 50k in Inariw (darling stock) from Rm1.77 and SEAL 100k from 83c. Our portfolio is mid to long-term 'HOLD'. No way to make good money in the current market if one doesn’t have the holding power. Since health and diseases are the mainstay of rapidly advancing nations including ours, the healthcare industry, already a multi-billion $ industry, will be growing exponentially for sure. This led to our study on HOVID and its far sighted business growth strategy. Its in my portfolio now and would like to see how it grows. The excitement is here haha!

My 2c prediction, hope and pray it holds for HOVID's price after the 4th Q announcement is as follows:

(i) Earnings (eps) growth of 2.06c (2012) to 2.67c (2013) – jump of 30%
(ii) Forecast earnings (eps) for 2014 - 3.0c ( 12% growth – conservative)

TP 55.5c - if I ascribe a PE of 18.5 x fully diluted CY14F EPS of 3.0c, in line with the 18.9x average of its peers.

The above is purely my 2c financial opinion. NOT A BUY/SELL CALL. STAY SAFE, STAY INVESTED

Posted by singinvestor > 2014-08-15 13:52 | Report Abuse

psd57 can I follow you as I total agree with the strategies you are sharing with us here.
Just to share, I use to trade in & out for all types of share and lost more than $300K and i saw my broker will so happy as he earn lot of commission. :(

So I hope that all i3 kaki here, please invest when you got the extra $.
Trade in and out will like going Casino and it the matter of time you will lost everything........

Just to share my bad experience.....

Posted by zoomboom > 2014-08-15 15:20 | Report Abuse

singinvestor bro, thank you for your sincere sharing in your past experience. it is a lesson indeed. your advice is truly appreciated. wish you huatx3 :-)

Posted by smallvestor > 2014-08-15 15:46 | Report Abuse

I have great confidence in Hovid going up in value. My pharmacist friend says all drug manufacturers in Malaysia must follow gmp guidelines to get a licence. So sub con no problem but control maybe difficult. Raw materials for Tocovid comes from Carotech next door so hopefully will keep that company alive to be revived/relisted!

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-15 17:28 | Report Abuse

well said GG3261, the current price is not cheap to keep sleeping for 2 years, lets" push down the price, so that everybody can buy or buy more later and sleep well.

Posted by leslieroycarter > 2014-08-15 20:10 | Report Abuse

Hovid was trading at its low from 14c to 30c from 2010 - late 2013 , after that it was an upswing from 30c to 45c at its height. The present price is considered a bit inflated coz its PE is nearing 20x . It will be more appealing if its price is around 30c - 35c , giving a lower PE and more punters will be more interested. No malice!
15/08/2014 20:08

Posted by Axce85 > 2014-08-15 21:14 | Report Abuse

tocotriol already all over the news lately..hovid got tocovid..maybe felda can become major shareholer here..daydreaming lol!

Posted by psd57 > 2014-08-15 21:14 | Report Abuse

HOVID ON THE PATH OF PROFITABILTY SINCE FYE12 AFTER PROVISION OF IMPAIREMENT COST & SETTLING OFF CAROTECH's DEBT OBLIGATIONS IN THEIR BOOKS. 'LOOKING FORWARD"
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/first/256351-highlight-patent-cliff-to-benefit-hovid.html

(i) Earnings (eps) growth of 2.06c (FYE 2012) to 2.67c (FYE 2013) – jump of 30%
(ii) Forecast earnings (eps) for 2014 - 3.0c ( 12% growth – conservative)
(ii) Estimated TP 55.5c - if I ascribe a PE of 18.5 x fully diluted CY14F est EPS of 3.0c, in line with the 18.9x average of its peers.

happy trading and a good weekend

Posted by char1234 > 2014-08-16 05:38 | Report Abuse

In 2015,expansion can't b ok'1

Posted by hsong > 2014-08-16 08:15 | Report Abuse

based on a research report sales are ahead of production which means with the expansion the plant utilization will be high and could therefore be profitable.

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-16 11:00 | Report Abuse

problem is high operating cost and production capacity constraint. at least 2 years then to see the profitability IF and only IF everything go well.
support me to push the price down, so that everybody can buy cheap and sleep well for the coming 2 years, If thing not going well, we cut loss, rugi pun tak banyak

Posted by 4u2c > 2014-08-16 11:23 | Report Abuse

unlikely to fall below 40 cts..

Posted by Huatlar > 2014-08-18 11:30 | Report Abuse

hovid game over ???

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-18 16:05 | Report Abuse

base on the data I have collected, it is still overvalue. I hope someone can do a through analysis, so that we can better evaluate our risk. so far what we gather are promotion of its future earning. which company has no good future earning, those companies are already in PN17.

Posted by psd57 > 2014-08-18 17:49 | Report Abuse

Hiyaaa,some ppl while waiting for HOVID price to be pushed down to 28c, go and buy other bursa counters and make kaw kaw money lah like sumatec, pdz, eah............ banyak side dishes ada, make ur life happy a bit and sleep well also............hahaha!

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-18 18:57 | Report Abuse

the consensus target price of cimb and rhb is 0.44 , foreseeable negligible net income growth for the coming 2 years , if buy at the price of 42 , the margin of safety is less than 5 %. this my non-professional calculation, may not be accurate. so if you have a research team, please lah do a more reliable caculation, so that we small investor , with the hard earned money, are not misled by our promotion

Posted by psd57 > 2014-08-18 19:09 | Report Abuse

Hiyaaa started again blah ,blah ,blah......................

Posted by 4u2c > 2014-08-18 19:38 | Report Abuse

In the 40 ties...worst case 36 cts....lets c how low is low......

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-18 19:55 | Report Abuse

just sharing personal view, either you join me low ,or I join you high, but high factory not ready yet, 2 years later

Posted by up_up_up > 2014-08-18 21:11 | Report Abuse

28 cents ? Tang ku ku loh

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-18 21:31 | Report Abuse

factory "tang", patent "tang" , if you are comfortable with this price, you need not have to argue with me. need not have to come here to share you view, buy now and tang ku ku sure will .moreover ,who know the ppl who ask you to buy high high will not cabut tengah jalan. then we are left ku ku tang loh.

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-19 00:23 | Report Abuse

Now is year 2014, do notice you are using the article in the edge daily year 2006. that time the price of hovid RM1.64, now whats' the price ? please lah be fair to the small investors, our money is hard earned not like you you are fund manager, other people money

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-19 00:50 | Report Abuse

so be fair to everybody, wait for the year end result that to be released end of the month, let people do their own judgement the so called by you the revisit strategy works or not?

Posted by Dakewlest > 2014-08-19 05:58 | Report Abuse

Wait for result, then decide. If can not wait, u know what to do. :)

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-19 10:11 | Report Abuse

what we sense that makes us uneasy is 8 years ago they have contractual demand problem, 8 years now they still have contractual problem, and 8 years they can not produce a good set of results, 1 or 2 sen eps and few years earlier loss and PN17. imagine if we are not careful bought at 1.64 , we cry no tear. please lah don't mislead us with your competent management and good future earning . see the result to be released a few days more. why can't wait?
sorry lah we are trapped by the same tactic once, we don't to be a fool to be tricked a second time. maaf zahir batin

Posted by singinvestor > 2014-08-19 13:06 | Report Abuse

May I ask Bintang21.....
What is your point here?
You want to buy at low price then wait till its drop to RM$0.28 then come here and share your personal view.
I believe most of us brought at price RM$0.36 onward, thus nobody wish to sold it to you at the price you wish for.......
Since you are in this chat group, you keep on fire on people who give positive news about Hovid.
So, may I ask again, what is your point here???

Posted by singinvestor > 2014-08-19 13:15 | Report Abuse

Hi Bintang21,

You will so positive on Hovid before as shown it posted by you.......

Stock: [HOVID]: HOVID BHD
Jul 29, 2014 05:14 PM | Report Abuse

Agree. foreseeable good earning growth 2015 & 2016


So why when Hovid price is moving up on august 2014 and you keep giving negative feedback till today????

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-19 13:57 | Report Abuse

very very good question. in view of the "tang" factor , 0.28 is my sleep well value ,you have the right not to agree . if you feel 0.36 is safe, then go ahead. no problem
another thing I want to carrect you is different opinion does not mean negative view, please be fair with me
why i share different view? I feel hovid is overvalue , why pay high to buy now ( please read my previous commend)
our sifu had always warned us , it is better missed than trapped (please read my previous commend)
why i praise hovid ? I like Hovid business activities , I agree it has good earning potential, If I run it it would be more wonderful (joke). 8 years definitely I can produce a good set of result. (read my previous commend)

maaf zahir dan batin

Posted by singinvestor > 2014-08-19 14:25 | Report Abuse

Agreeable and please be fair to anyone here who give feedback here too.

Please keep this chat friendly and not to fire your personal view........................

Keep the peace and everything will when well......... for those who have support Hovid.......including you too. :)

Posted by up_up_up > 2014-08-19 18:27 | Report Abuse

I can sleep well with 0.42, don't fire at me. :-D
Every one has different tolerance on investment time frame, if you think waiting for Hovid new factory to operate in 2015 is too long and too risky, just walk away from this counter.

Posted by 4u2c > 2014-08-19 22:27 | Report Abuse

everyone edgy as we cant see our desired profits.........lets wait for the comong P n L ......i think it will be good as its showing till June end only......July and aug may be bad and will only be reflected after this mth;s announcement..........We just hv to keep this stk and enter at the lowest cost to average it..What else can we do besides selling...

Posted by GorengAyam > 2014-08-19 22:58 | Report Abuse

Cheapest Pharmaceutical Counter you can find..
Invest and keep, you will never regret......recession proof...
Economy crash or no crash, people get sick and need Hovid..

Posted by AyamTua > 2014-08-19 23:17 | Report Abuse

i believed only in - good night , sleep well kikikiiiiiiii

Posted by bintang21 > Aug 19, 2014 11:15 PM | Report Abuse

bye-bye gointg to sembayang now, good night , sleep well

Posted by ppginvest > 2014-08-20 14:06 | Report Abuse

Like bintang21 always said, let it goes cheaper, then buy... may be still some weak investors out there with no patience throwing and pressing down the price. Let's wait.

I wait to collect more. For now, give it a rest and relax, don't feel tense whether want it up/down, just give it to market to decide. Feel bore reading the same topic/discussion every time coming here to read.

Posted by 4u2c > 2014-08-20 21:23 | Report Abuse

u hero.......market correction will also influence this counter .Already downtrend, why u enter ?
Maybe u superman can push up 5 cts.V all support u.......Its a shit day for me....

Posted by GG3261 > 2014-08-21 13:34 | Report Abuse

buy, buy while cosolidating........

Posted by kiewleeah > 2014-08-21 15:49 | Report Abuse

Is someone collecting ? 8000plus lots at 0.42 eaten up at one go?

Posted by 4u2c > 2014-08-21 21:02 | Report Abuse

stay abv 40 cts, everyone is happy.......we will be happier, if u trade abv 50 cts

Posted by chieng > 2014-08-22 10:26 | Report Abuse

People buy when research house upgrade and sell when downgrade. Just do your own homework..to see whether can buy or not. Dont blindly follow..

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-22 17:49 | Report Abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPRESlT4Ccg

Posted by Zai Zai > 2014-08-22 22:52 | Report Abuse

Besame Mucho

Posted by gangnam > 2014-08-22 23:13 | Report Abuse

While we wait for Monday...

Zai Zai.. Besame Mucho

An interlude with English Translations...:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83lnl6hOmUw

Posted by bintang21 > 2014-08-23 11:58 | Report Abuse

gangnam, many many thumb up to you.
is there any way to paste a thumb up icon here. I tried by it cann't. thank you

Posted by 4u2c > 2014-08-25 02:19 | Report Abuse

a lot of negative comments on this company.......its still trading abv 40 cts...its respectable..

Posted by singinvestor > 2014-08-25 15:08 | Report Abuse

I just support another 100K share today to proof my support of Hovid.......

Posted by chieng > 2014-08-25 22:20 | Report Abuse

When all bad news has coming out, uptrend will start as the fundamental of this companis is strong..