Posted by kimssiat > 2015-11-04 15:14 | Report Abuse

Wei Jie Yau So u play which warrants of Hsi now? U prefer which one?

Up: C11
Down: HQ

Posted by FLYINGstar > 2015-11-04 15:14 | Report Abuse

Noor Azman B Yusuff ... i think the Cash settlement amount at expiry should be calculated as:
(settlement price - exercise price)/exercise ratio

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 15:15 | Report Abuse

Losses running into thousands may hurt...but nothing hurts more than holding on to toilet paper inching towards expiry as the trigger-happy penny punters all around us are repeating the same gullible approach prior to Apr27 mega collapse

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 15:18 | Report Abuse

The fact is nobody, even CIMB, saw the 8 black days of Aug coming...
The mkt maker wasn't supposed to allow retailers to rake up to 1000% gains in that 8days..
Now it's payback time for retailers...unfortunately HK has to suffer the wrath of this 'payback'

Posted by FLYINGstar > 2015-11-04 15:18 | Report Abuse

sorry that's for call warrant
for put warrant is (exercise price - settlement price)/exercise ratio
so for HK, (1735-xxxx)/666, where xxxx is the klci index price at expiry date i think.
Hope all the expert here can explain further if I'm wrong

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 15:22 | Report Abuse

Just treat it as a very painful (but necessary) lesson learnt by trying to outsmart CIMB..
At the very minimal, just consider it as giving back all the HK gains made thru these 2mths..
Be very careful of HW..it's only advantage is an extra 6mths to HK..
I bet they're also regretting setting 1800 strike for HG now

Posted by Ong Lie Chin > 2015-11-04 15:28 | Report Abuse

Xox holdees..pls sell at once...otherwise .....

Posted by Ong Lie Chin > 2015-11-04 15:29 | Report Abuse

Cimb bank...Lao Qian bank..

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 15:30 | Report Abuse

Doesn't matter ITM or not...fact is unless u bought lower than its intrinsic value (aka u bought it before the mkt maker starts manipulating it)..then u won't make any $$

Time decay effects starts kicking in as early as 3mths b4 expiry...unless some world war happens & our index plunges 500 pts , lain cerita la

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 15:32 | Report Abuse

Very rarely u'll find a PW/CW gem intrinsic value (where the mkt maker hasn't come in to rape its trading value yet)...HP, HQ, C6, C8 & C12 were the only few i scoured & profitted nicely from

Trick is we need to scan very very closely & make a move b4 mkt maker does

Posted by Ong Lie Chin > 2015-11-04 15:34 | Report Abuse

Lao Qian stock had just break all 13sen!!!!!!!!fxxxxxxxxxxxxkkkkkk!!!!!!!

Posted by Wolfgang13 > 2015-11-04 15:35 | Report Abuse

omg lao sai berak

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 15:42 | Report Abuse

Just look at HX, H1 by MCQ..barely 1-2 cts down

Their specs aren't too different fr CIMB, except a much nicer conversion ratio of 228

"666" conversion ratio already spells doom from the start...we were just to clouded by greed to foresee what this mkt maker is truly up to. Devil at work

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 15:42 | Report Abuse

HX, H1 by Kenanga, sorry...not MCQ
MCQ ratio usually 200

Posted by flytothemoon > 2015-11-04 15:48 | Report Abuse

keep telling you guys never ever touch put or call warrant of cimb bank issues, it will always " head i win, tail you lose", winner always cimb

Posted by Ong Lie Chin > 2015-11-04 15:49 | Report Abuse

Mahu repot police tangkap Lao Qian!!!!!

Posted by Supergeng > 2015-11-04 15:51 | Report Abuse

yess...need to boycott warrant from cimb in future...

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 15:53 | Report Abuse

seriousl i only respect MCQ & none of our local investment banks..
Our local derivative instruments is designed with only 1 purpose: TO CON..not TO HEDGE
Visit MCQ tutorial page & see how they're trying to dispel the bad reputation that SWs are sold to cheat retailer $$
At least they're trying to walk their talk..

Posted by zerocool7199 > 2015-11-04 15:54 | Report Abuse

Cimb giving his own a very badname indeed..yes,lao qian bank!!

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 16:00 | Report Abuse

All these pressing action may look like stock action being collected on the low (and lower)..
Lulling us to believe a big rebound is imminent...1-2 cents probably, but WHEN? At 10cts? 8cts, 5cts? How far we willing to follow this mkt maker to depths of hell?
Keep in mind HK is fighting against expiry..86 days is NOT a lot of time

I made thousands fr HK...now giving back thousands too...big deal. Painful yes, but highly necessary. And the lesson to not trust CIMB anymore

Posted by Superb99 > 2015-11-04 16:01 | Report Abuse

better buy and keep potential shares, run before too late, ya, market will crash but don't know when, esp contra players, beware. last time, I hold 2 to 3 days then KLCI dropped again like shit but now different story liao...may be drop 1 to 2 days then up 4 to 5 days

Posted by zbaikitree2 > 2015-11-04 16:01 | Report Abuse

the lesson is never think a particular stock is forever your ATM.

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 16:05 | Report Abuse

The SHREWDEST trader would be shorting over past 6days (includ today) just to breakeven & get the hell out before his/her capital get decimated...simply to survive. Let's not even dare dream of profitting....such is the might & sinister of a devilish mkt maker

Posted by Superb99 > 2015-11-04 16:14 | Report Abuse

agree with u, blackace, I won a lot from HK last time but now vomit back

Posted by rooney8 > 2015-11-04 16:16 | Report Abuse

Please look at the premium of each FBMKLCI call warrants and pull warrants. I dare not dare to touch looking at the premium they have. It is better for you to play index future.

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 16:20 | Report Abuse

Only C12 looks attractive now..ironically issued by CIMB
I think they tend to issue as PUT but mistakenly made it a CALL...haha
Sohai mkt maker..this shows how "adept" they are in setting strike targets..then simply put a 667, 666, 668, 700 whatever
No wonder they losing so much money fr their trading division

Posted by drogonfai > 2015-11-04 16:21 | Report Abuse

rooney, how to buy index?

Posted by Ong Lie Chin > 2015-11-04 16:23 | Report Abuse

Aj,fm, dun curi curi go buy hk Kiki.!!!!!!!kekek...!!!!!!!

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 16:27 | Report Abuse

Many many latest smartphones, car booking fee, home booking fee, handbags (& hopefully not personal loans) were lost thru this 0650HK alone...power huh, structured warrants?

Posted by Ong Lie Chin > 2015-11-04 16:30 | Report Abuse

Aj,fm dun suddenly pop up and say ...pleas join me in buy hk @12.5sen!!!!!kekekekeke

Posted by Lim Elson > 2015-11-04 16:37 | Report Abuse

no.. it wont rebound so fast.. unless market drop tonight..

Posted by Supergeng > 2015-11-04 16:43 | Report Abuse

Will it drop to 0.1 within this week ?

Posted by Lim Elson > 2015-11-04 16:44 | Report Abuse

may be will bought a bit on hk once 0.12

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 16:49 | Report Abuse

20pts drop on Oct29 couldn't even lift it...in fact it gapped down 4-bids at opening!!
18.75% loss today Vs avg of 5-7% for all 0650H others..
Normal ka?
Think i can describe the rain & haze behavior more accurately than for this CIMB toyol
With all our 2-way punting skills, better to go trade FKLI & FCPO..
Less toyols to worry about

Posted by Lim Elson > 2015-11-04 16:51 | Report Abuse

CIMB no money... they had to find money

Posted by Ong Lie Chin > 2015-11-04 16:58 | Report Abuse

Aiyo...so cheap alr...bought 400lot play play la...if lose lost all around 5k plus...

Posted by apanama > 2015-11-04 17:08 | Report Abuse

hahahahahaha...buy when its red..sell when its green..:)

Posted by Pristine68 > 2015-11-04 17:46 | Report Abuse

Don't blame CIMB, for quite sometimes,she has been helping to hold HK price around 0.21-0.24 which is above market reasonable price . At that times, you all should unload your puts already but still holding it until now. Preferred market maker in priority sequence : MACQ, KIBB, CIMB, RHB, MIBB. AM. For MACQ, you pay higher premium but the call/put warrant price is more sensitive to index up/down movement, in short - fair. KIBB not bad also.

Posted by kakashi > 2015-11-04 18:00 | Report Abuse

I cut loss today. huge loss...but no choice la...Got to make this tough decision.
wipe out all my gain and put me into negative territory....
Need to plan my strategy again. okok...no worries, go get a nice dinner and then make a come back

Posted by apanama > 2015-11-04 18:00 | Report Abuse

Agreed with Pristine..

Posted by taipingbear > 2015-11-04 18:16 | Report Abuse

Agreed also with Pristine .
By the way Pristinr where is Julian ??

Posted by taipingbear > 2015-11-04 18:19 | Report Abuse

I like Kakashi honest .....u gained my respect n trust .
Keep bullets even through u have lost some bullets .
Overall ....we still have enough bullets to prepare for upcoming putties show .

Posted by flytothemoon > 2015-11-04 18:33 | Report Abuse

when cimb issue more shares everybody should knew and run

Posted by apanama > 2015-11-04 19:10 | Report Abuse

Relax kakashi..as long as u still hv capital to roll out...no worries..market is always there..perhaps u r less than 30yrs..still a lot of bull n bear for your next 10-20years

Posted by apanama > 2015-11-04 19:11 | Report Abuse

Flytothemoon...can u explain more ..

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 19:53 | Report Abuse

I don't think it's called "blaming" CIMB per se...but more like having "trust issues" with CIMB from now on..

Helping to hold HK price for quite sometime? Apa cerita pulak behind HG? Meaning HW is also being on crutches now and prevented fr free-falling? Wow, what a red flag this is then...as with all their upcoming SW releases

Is it wrong to say that CIMB got spooked (plan derailed) by the Vcap 20bil news at the tail-end of Sep, hence stopped its mkt-making 'fair practices' so as to avoid terminal losses on their end? Meaning which they dumped everyt to operators...who in turn short kao2 for profit every few days; killing off retailers along the way?

Posted by apanama > 2015-11-04 20:44 | Report Abuse

OK OK blackface..I get ur point..just ckp straight to the point...Adik n Abang..dua dua kaki kencing ..hehehe...at last the whole family now..people x trust...:)

Posted by apanama > 2015-11-04 20:45 | Report Abuse

Let's trust unit trust...:)...good night

Posted by blackace > 2015-11-04 20:47 | Report Abuse

:)) Release tension kao2 maa...

Posted by kakashi > 2015-11-04 20:53 | Report Abuse

thanks for the encouragement..Yes, still got sufficient bullet to bring back those $$
Ive gone from -14k to +27k back to -8k and last month +38k and now, -11k. ..... bad bad trades...haha..
Well, time to breath a while and let it go again