Actual attachment send to Henyuan Corporate Affairs E-mail this noon. Questions in BOLD
Attachments file 1: Questions for Hengyuan AGM.
1. REVIEW OF FINANCIAL REPORT 2017.
a. Crude oil RM 653,215,000
b. Petroleum products RM 432,524,000
Less: Reversal/ (allowance) for inventories RM 482,000
RM 433,006,000
c. Materials RM 24,093,000
Allowance for inventories (RM 369,000) –
RM 23,724,000
Total RM 1,109,945,000
Included within crude oil is stock in transit as at 31 December 2017 of RM 149,492,000.
Our sources of crude supply include Malaysia (32%); Russia (11%), Far East, Middle East and Africa (57%).We have also focused on building more relationships with the crude supply network in the region and globally to benefit from competitive pricing. We successfully negotiated additional crude oil supply with several local and regional crude oil producers and traders.
The business improvement tactics delivered a value of USD30.1 million in 2017, with USD22.5 million achieved via crude optimisation, USD3.2 million achieved via product optimisation and another USD4.4 million mainly from business improvement plan and savings from contracting strategies.
B.TRADE RECEIVABLES
Total RM 1,081,278,000 Impaired RM 1,306,000
The credit terms range between 15 to 30 days.
HRC’s principal market is the domestic market, where over 90% (by volume) of the company’s refined products are sold in Malaysia. The remaining 10% of our production, including naphthalene and propylene, are exported elsewhere in Asia.
We focus on servicing the domestic market, mainly through our 10-year Product Offtake Agreement (POA) with Shell Malaysia Trading Sdn Bhd for gasoline, diesel and aviation fuel, and Shell Timur Sdn Bhd for refined petroleum products. This POA commenced in 2016.
We have also been developing new customers and supply channels, both within Malaysia and in the wider South East Asia region. Further expansion is focused on the best commercial opportunities and financial viability. Our strategy in this regard is to leverage on competitive bidding for long-term deals based on published benchmark pricing.
Refer: Independent Advice (AmInvestment bank) Circular dated 19 January 2017.
The POA stipulates that products produced by SRC would be primarily sold to the POA Buyer to support the POA Buyer’s marketing activities in Malaysia based on the minimum and maximum contractual limits as set out in the POA. The POA Buyer has the first right of refusal to offtake all products produced above the minimum contractual limit by SRC, subject to the terms and conditions set out in the POA. The POA is for a period of 10 years, commencing from 22 December 2016, being the date of completion of the SPA. The price of products to be supplied by SRC pursuant to the POA is generally determined based on, amongst others, the Mean of Platts Singapore (MOPS) quotation plus a premium as published in Platt’s Asia Pacific/Arab Gulf Marketscan under the heading of “Singapore”.
C.OTHER RECEIVABLES AND PREPAYMENTS
2017
Goods and Service Tax (‘GST’) receivable RM 160,235,000
Other receivables RM 3,582,000
Prepayments RM 2,479,000
D.CASH AND CASH EQUIVALENTS
Deposits with licensed banks RM 310,000,000
Bank balances RM 202,907,000
Less: Restricted cash RM (20,021,000)
E.TRADE AND OTHER PAYABLES
Total RM 587,297,000
The Company’s trade payables are non-interest bearing, unsecured, except for a balance amounting to RM232,710,000 which is secured by a charge against the Company’s hydrocarbon inventories and receivables as mentioned in Notes 16 and 17. The credit terms for trade payables range from 30 to 45 days
F.BORROWINGS
- Term Loan I RM 721,862,000
- Term Loan II RM 483,146,000
Total RM 1,205,008,000
Less: Amount repayable within 12 months (RM 79,103,000)
Amount repayable after 12 months RM 1,125,905,000
The remaining maturities of the borrowings are as follows:
Within 1 year RM 79,103,000
More than 1 year and less than 2 years RM 126,268,000
More than 2 years and less than 5 years RM 999,637,000
Total 1,205,008,000
Secured on 22 Dec 2016:
USD 200,000,000 Term Loan I. The loan is subject to interest at LIBOR + 3.5% per annum. This facility is secured by: A corporate guarantee by Shandong Hengyuan Petrochemical Company Limited.
USD 150,000,000 Term Loan II. The Company is allowed to draw on this facility up to the lesser of USD 150, 000,000 and an amount equivalent to 85% of cash deposits placed by Shandong Hengyuan Petrochemical Company Limited with the lender. The loan is subject to interest at LIBOR + 2.0% per annum.
Refer: NEWS RELEASE
Hengyuan Refining Company Berhad Secures Favourable Financing of RM1.7 billion (USD430 million)
The facilities are segregated into a term loan and a revolving credit line. The term loan will be utilised towards refinancing HRC’s existing term loan and also to partially finance its planned capital expenditure. The revolving credit facility will support the company’s working capital needs. The term loan will be repaid in installments throughout the tenure of the 5 year facility. Approval for the facilities was received from Bank Negara Malaysia on 22 January 2018.
Refer; Wang, YouDe, Chairman of Hengyuan Refining Company Berhad, said, the sealing of the bilateral agreements with the three prominent banks today accords HRC with a more favourable and flexible financing scheme to enhance our cash and debt management while providing us with additional financing required to fuel our planned upgrades and maintenance projects for the refinery.”
2. Review of Quarterly report 2017.
Summary of those unaudited different from Audited 2017
RM, 000 Unaudited Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 total Audited
Administrative expenses (6,495) (9,841) (10,235) (26,031) (52,602) ( 54,993)
Finance cost (16,539) (16,497) (16,302) (16,732) (66,070) (63,679)
Other gains/ (losses) 6,221 (24,243) 51,761 46,655 80,394 80,932
Taxation (63,743) (63,743) (43,743)
Profit after taxation 279,485 84,407 361,176 183,553 909,221 929,759
Refer 2016 report: Our Company’s administrative expenses in 2016 also saw some reduction as the global and functional support from Shell affiliates tapered off in the second half of the year.
3. MANAGEMENT DISCUSSION & ANALYSIS
A. Production volume 39.7 million barrels and products % as follow:
With total production quantity of 39,700,000 bbl, the 31%- gasoline will be 12,307,000 bbl or 12,307,000/8.45 = 1,456,450 MT
Refer: Announcement dated 16 June 2017.
The Euro 4M plant is an integrated complex, which has been designed to desulphurise the full range Cat Cracked Gasoline (CCG) produced by our Long Residue Catalytic Cracking Unit (LRCCU). The design uses a combination of hydro-processing and liquid-liquid extraction technology, commercially proven and licensed by reputable technology licensors. The technology is also being used successfully by Shandong Hengyuan Petrochemical Company Limited in its Shandong based refinery and chemical complex which produces Euro 6 grade mogas. The plant will have a capacity of 1.15 million tonnes per annum. This investment ensures HRC is well placed to meet the Euro 4M mogas specifications mandated by the Malaysian regulatory authorities by 1 October 2018. The Euro 4M plant can be further upgraded to produce Euro 5M mogas when the specification change is mandated, which is expected to be from 2025 onwards. As such, this investment underpins HRC’s commitment to deliver high quality products to its customers and to long term sustainable refining in Malaysia.
The Total Investment Cost for the project is USD135 million +/- 10 %.( RM590 million)
The project is expected to come on-stream by the 2nd half of 2018
RISK: Management is currently mitigating unexpected delays due to the manufacturing of a major piece of equipment. The risk is that this delay extends beyond the regulatory date we target to be able to produce Euro 4M Mogas. In such a scenario, our customer can choose to import their required product using HRC’s facilities as contractually outlined in our POA. In doing so, HRC’s financial performance during the period pending the production of EURO 4M Mogas will be significantly impacted Management is reviewing the project progress weekly to ensure challenges and hurdles are effectively dealt with to meet the regulatory timeline. We are currently exploring options to minimise the impact of this delay on our production and revenue.
DOE has mandated that refineries are to comply with Euro 5 gasoil (Diesel) specifications by 1 September 2020. Since our next turnaround is only planned for 2022, we will need to undertake project tie-ins during the upcoming MTA 2018 window. Front end studies and licensor selection are now in progress to enable the timely identification of tie-in points.
Refer: AmInvestment Bank Independent Advice Circular is dated 19 January 2017
For diesel, the current Euro 2M specification will directly move from Euro 2M to Euro 5 starting 2020. Like petrol, the main change comprises the sulphur specification, which will reduce from 500 ppm (Euro 2M) to 10 ppm (Euro 5). For diesel, limits to the amount of heavier components have also been set in the Euro 5 specification in order to reduce pollution. This is expressed by limitations in density, the distillation curve and the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. Although the recently completed diesel processing unit of SRC (Project Hijau) in 2013 has the capability to produce against this new specification, some additional investment will be required.
Since the successful acquisition of a 51% equity stake in HRC via Malaysia Hengyuan International Limited in December 2016, the synergy between the SHPC Group and our Company has been good. HRC’s business complements the SHPC Group’s existing portfolio, which enables SHPC to establish a strategic presence in Southeast Asia. SHPC continues to support HRC through their experience and technical expertise to ensure that our Company continues to deliver high-performance products and enhance profitability.
The CCS refining margin in 2017 was USD7.17 per barrel in comparison to a lower margin of USD4.06 per barrel in 2016. The FIFO margin was USD8.39/bbl, including stockholding gains of USD1.22/bbl in 2017, compared to FIFO margin of USD5.46/bbl in 2016, which includes a stockholding gain of USD1.46/bbl.
Stockholding Gains / Losses Oil price movements impact financial performance because HRC holds on average 30 to 40 days of inventories.
Refer Petronm: The Refinery has a crude distillation capacity of 88,000 barrels per day (bpd). The Complex is equipped with a crude distillation unit, a naphtha hydro treating unit, two semi-regeneration reformer units, and a kerosene hydro treating unit.
Crude (predominantly light low sulfur crudes) is imported and processed to produce a wide range of petroleum products that includes Gasoline (U95), Jet fuel, Diesel, LPG, and Low-Sulphur Waxy Residue (LSWR).
Our top-of-the line fuels, Blaze 100RON Euro 4M, Blaze 97RON Euro 4M, Blaze 95RON, Turbo Diesel Euro 5 and Diesel Max. Start the design for a new Diesel Hydrotreater (DHT) to comply with Euro 5 diesel standards by 2020.
ATLAS II Project is a critical operation that will take place during MTA 2018. The project is to replace the LRCC catalyst regenerator top dome and the top dome internals to enable continued and efficient operation of the product up grader unit as the current system will be reaching its end-of-life parameters in 2018. ATLAS II project is executed in partnership with contractors that have experience in the manufacturing and installation of similar units elsewhere.
MTA 2018 will be challenging in terms of personal and process safety, as we would have some 3,000 contractors working on site. We have prepared ourselves to ensure safe working conditions at all times and compliance to all operations and performance standards during this exceptional and intense exercise.
Refer 2016 report: Our Company continued to focus on cost reduction initiatives which included further optimisation of catalyst utilisation and costs which formed a significant spend in our operating expense.
Refer: Mr. Surya Gunawan bin Suharman (Manager, Corporate Affairs and Government Relation) replied dated 4 April 2018.
The major turnaround (MTA) will start in August. We will halt production for 45 to 90 days max but business will still be operating as usual. Please note that we are with 11 crude oil tanks, 78 refined product tanks & our own jetty to ensure continuation of supply that we have booked at a preferred rate to ensure our margin are protected during the period.
Refer: As an independent refiner, HRC is cognisant of refining margins and foreign exchange (FX) risks that could hamper our financial performance. The decision to hedge and limit the risk exposure from these market movements is to achieve a more consistent financial performance.
Refer: AmInvestment Bank Independent Advice Circular is dated 19 January 2017
We understand that SRC in 2014 did not find it viable to carry out the upgrades required for Euro 4M and Euro 5 fuel specifications resulting in an impairment to the Company’s assets of RM460.9 million in the audited financial statements for the FYE 31 December 2014. The impairment was due to the lower estimated future cash flows as SRC’s products had to be exported to countries with lower fuel standards thereby incurring higher transportation costs, coupled with a finite lifespan of the refinery plant production without capital investment for Euro 4M and Euro 5 fuels. Discussion on a potential reversal of the impairment loss is set out further below.
4. CORPORATE GOVERNANCE REPORT
A. Practice 11.2
Large companies are encouraged to adopt integrated reporting based on a globally recognised framework.
B. Practice 12.3
Listed companies with a large number of shareholders or which have meetings in remote locations should leverage technology to facilitate– including voting in absentia; and remote shareholders’ participation at General Meetings.
5. THE PROPOSED SHARE BUY-BACK.
3. RATIONALE FOR THE PROPOSED SHARE BUY-BACK
3.2 The Company may be able to stabilise the price of HRC Shares in the open market and thereby supporting its fundamental values.
Share price
Month High (RM) Low (RM)
Apr 2017 3.97 3.56
May 2017 6.30 3.76
Jun 2017 6.20 4.86
Jul 2017 7.99 5.33
Aug 2017 8.68 6.95
Sep 2017 8.46 7.60
Oct 2017 8.59 7.92
Nov 2017 10.98 8.36
Dec 2017 19.20 10.94
Jan 2018 18.66 11.32
Feb 2018 15.68 12.14
Mar 2018 13.10 7.45
I fully support and agree with the above proposal and will vote FOR during the AGM.
Hengyuan market share price is very volatile due to suspect manipulation.
Investment Banker issuing hundred millions of Call Warrants without holding significant share in Hengyuan.
Example: Maybank investment Bank Berhad
Hengyuan - CJ issue size 100,000,000. Ratio 20:1
Hengyuan - CI issue size 100,000,000. Ratio 20:1
Hengyuan - CQ issue size 100,000,000. Ratio 30:1
Hengyuan - CR issue size 100,000,000. Ratio 25:1
LIST OF TOP 30 SHAREHOLDERS AS AT 19 MARCH 2018
Maybank investment Bank Berhad only holds 2,184,000 shares.
6. Dividend.
Ordinary Resolution 11 and Ordinary Resolution 12
11. Requisitioned resolution to approve a final single tier dividend of 43.5 cents per share in respect of the financial year end 31 December 2017.
12. Requisitioned resolution to approve a formal dividend policy of allocating at least 15% of the Company’s profit after tax, excluding exceptional items to be distributed to its shareholders as dividend payment.
Pursuant to Sections 131 and 132 of the Companies Act 2016, the Board wishes to highlight that the distribution of dividend to shareholders can only be made if the following conditions are met:
– the distribution of dividend can only be made out of the Company’s profits available if the Company is solvent;
– the Directors must authorise the distribution of dividend before it is made by the Company to its shareholders; and
– the distribution of dividend can only be made if the Directors are satisfied that the Company will be solvent and is able to pay its debts as and when the debts become due within twelve months immediately after the distribution of dividend is made to its shareholders.
Having considered the proposal and conducted a solvency test on the Company by taking into account the liquidity and cash flow projection of the Company for a period of 12 months, the Board has formed the view that the Company may not be able to satisfy the solvency position within 12 months following the proposed distribution of dividend if it is made to the shareholders and hence, any distribution of dividend of such a quantum will be in contravention of Sections 131 and 132 of the Companies Act 2016.
Recommendation
For the reasons stated above, the Board considers that the Ordinary Resolution 11 and Ordinary Resolution 12 are not in the best interests of the Company as a whole, and therefore recommends that you vote against Ordinary Resolution 11 and Ordinary Resolution 12.
Note: My fair and objective opinion as follow:
HENGYUAN:
CURRENT ASSET = RM 2,875,154,000
CURRENT LIABILITIES = RM 695,412,000
NON-CURRENT LIABILITIES = RM 1,167,947,000
Ratio:
PETRONM
CURRENT ASSET = RM 1,596,977,000
CURRENT LIABILITIES = RM 1,111,499,000
NON-CURRENT LIABILITIES = RM 99,738,000
Ratio:
Final Dividend 25 cents per share
In the Board opinion comparing these two companies:
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Sslee, really thankful to you for all you have done and will be doing for you and all at large. Please update us where necessary
2018-05-02 08:33
once all these questions are answered by hy...investor confidence will be turbo boosted! aiya...need to aim liao....lai liao lai liao...hahahaha
2018-05-02 09:10
SSlee,
These are great questions, if answered will give us a good feel of the company.
Thanks & keep up the good work.
2018-05-02 10:29
A new powerhouse has been born in the oil industry just as prices spring back to life.
Marathon Petroleum (MPC) reached a $23 billion deal on Monday to scoop up rival Andeavor (ANDV), creating the largest oil refinery in the United States.
The combined company will be able to process more than 3 million barrels of crude per day, representing 16% of the nation's total capacity. Marathon also owns the Speedway, the No. 2 gasoline and convenience store chain in the United States.
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The energy deal underscores the health of the refining business thanks to soaring appetite for gasoline that has kept their facilities humming.
"For this industry, the wind is behind our backs," Andeavor CEO Greg Goff told analysts during a conference call.
Global oil demand grew during the first three months of 2018 by the most in nearly eight years, according to Goldman Sachs.
"The state of refining in the United States is very healthy," said Matt Smith, director of commodity research at ClipperData.
Marathon agreed to pay $30.4 billion for Andeavor, including debt. That would make it the biggest global oil and gas deal since General Electric's (GE) $32 billion takeover of Baker Hughes (BHGE) in October 2016, according to research firm Dealogic.
Soaring oil prices -- crude has climbed above $68 a barrel for the first time in nearly four years -- has accelerated US shale oil production, giving refiners access to more supply.
Related: Why Exxon isn't enjoying America's big oil party
The Andeavor acquisition not only shows confidence in the oil price rally, but represents a bet on the US shale oil boom. Andeavor owns two refining plants located near the Permian Basin, the shale hotbed in West Texas and New Mexico that is pumping more and more oil.
One of the other catalysts for the deal: a 2020 rule change that will prevent ships from burning dirty fuel oil. The switch should boost demand for cleaner fuels that US refiners are able to produce.
2018-05-02 11:01
ASK YOURSELF WHAT IS THE COST OF 1K BPD CAPACITY LEH ?
IT WILL COST USD 21.25M PER 1K BPD FOR MARATHON OIL LOH...!!
FOR HENGYUAN LEH ??
IT WILL COST ONLY USD 4.8M PER 1K BPD LOH...!!
HENGYUAN IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE REFINERY IN THE WORLD LOH..!!
2018-05-02 11:02
I have a feeling Sslee is ex-engineer.
But i also think he kena burn properly here. If you need all these answer to buy the company, maybe it isn't as good an investment as you thought. I hope you can bounce back from whatever loss.
2018-05-02 11:08
PROJECTING MARATHON OIL COST INTO HY BASED ON COST ON REFINERY, THE FAIR VALUE OF HY SHOULD BE RM 33.2 PER SHARE LOH...!!
IT IS NO WONDER PETRONAS 300K BPD COST RM 64 BILLION LOH...!!
PETRON COST FOR 90K BPD COST RM 14.0 BILLION LOH...!!
ALL THESE CAN BE SUPPORTED BY COST OF MARATHON OIL PAID TO TAKEOVER REFINERY LOH....!!
REFINERY SHOULD BE VERY VALUABLE FOR NEXT 30 YRS LOH...!!
2018-05-02 11:09
ACTUALLY IF REFINERY ASSETS IS DYING....WHY MARATHON OIL IS PAYING USD 25 BILLION....TO INCREASE ITS CAPACITY BY 1200K BPD PER DAY ??
THEY ARE NOT STUPID MAH....!!
2018-05-02 11:54
Into The Breach
The surge in Permian crude oil output has outpaced pipeline capacity, leading to big spreads -- for those that can capitalize on them
Source: Bloomberg
One dislocation that is exercising oil-watchers but largely flying under the radar is the fast-approaching change in pollution regulations for the world’s shipping industry. On January 1, 2020, the International Maritime Organization’s new rules demanding much lower sulfur emissions from ships will kick in. The high-sulfur fuel oil currently used by ships that will soon be non-compliant accounts for around 4 million barrels a day of global oil demand, according to a recent report by Doug Terreson, an analyst at Evercore ISI.
There are various ways to meet the requirements, such as installing equipment to filter out the nasties or just switching to running on liquefied natural gas rather than fuel oil. But those are expensive. Most of the work will actually fall to refiners having to produce a lot more low-sulfur fuel.
That isn’t as easy as you might think; refineries need more sophisticated (and expensive) equipment such as coking units to upgrade sour, heavier oil into compliant fuels. At a macro level, that has the potential to cause a spike in crude-oil prices as refiners scramble to secure lower-sulfur (or “sweeter”) grades (see this recent column by energy economist Phil Verleger, published by Bloomberg View, for an explanation).
Refiners with access to a broader slate of crude-oil grades and plants sophisticated enough to produce compliant fuel economically are the likely winners. That’s especially so if they have a large presence on America’s coasts, where they can blend the fuel and either supply it to shippers or export it. Marathon and Andeavor, combining a large presence on both the West Coast and the Gulf Coast, fit that bill. They even took the time on Monday morning to point out that, combined, they’ll have almost 800,000 barrels per day of capacity for upgrading fuels – the largest of any U.S. refiner.
2018-05-02 12:02
Dear Jon Choivo,
Thank you for your concern.
I am a chemical engineering graduate from University Malaya 1986. Currently I am holding the post of General Manager in an Indonesia company in charge of Fatty Acid and Glycerine Division and drawing a net salary of above USD 10K+/month.
I have a share trading account with Hlebroking and just to answer your curiosity, I just check my portfolio 15 of them:
My top 3 holding are:
INSAS: 670,000 units. Gross Investment: RM 651,709.
Xingquan: 3,130,000 units. Gross Investment: RM 619,740.
Hengyuan: 11,800 units. Gross Investment: RM 113,042.
Yes, Xingquan as far as I know is a total loss. (Anyhow thanks to i3 Sifus, I had recovered some of the losses trading O&G and steel uptrend during year 2017)
I attended my first AGM, Xinguan AGM on 7 DEC 2016 and since then I had attended a few more with my improved prepared questions as I learn from each of the AGM I attended.
I am wondering why in Malaysia there are so many people writing blog post giving financial analysis/criticism or recommendation base on certain assumptions but did not bother to attend any AGM to find out from the people running the business true facts and figures and whether their assumptions are correct or not?
Thank you
2018-05-02 13:05
walao..sslee earning 10K USD plus...managing an oleochemical plant..
ks55 abandoned alone at home by his childrens...kiki
2018-05-02 13:38
sslee, i believe the fatty acids are for soap manufacturing? and the glycerine quality meets the pharmaceuticals spec..
must be Musim Mas...
2018-05-02 13:40
Fair point Sslee.
You questions is very very detailed. You've clearly done your work. This is clearly your field of expertise. I think your current industry and the one HY is in is probably quite transferable.
2018-05-02 16:22
Fatty acid and glycerine in indonesia.
Palm oil probably. Which one? Too many to count, but if 10k usd, we are talking about IOI Conglomerate level.
But still alot of palm oil co's.
2018-05-02 16:26
Please read the Annual Report of HY 2017 carefully, it is the most informative best information Annual Report ever written based on its 40 yrs of listing history loh...!!
This shows HY china owner, are a many class above the other current china own co in msia loh...!!
2018-05-02 16:37
probability > May 2, 2018 04:49 PM | Report Abuse
how did it justify a buying price of RM 1.90 per share from Shell?
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you naughty naughty.
u think like LGE, buy house too cheap get into trouble.
2018-05-02 16:53
Shell sell cheap bcos crack spread is negative USD 2 per barrel at the height loh...!!
Also new regulatory environment issue comes about that is Euro 4 & 5 coming, Shell refuse to invest more loh, panic & cut loss just like probability mah...!!
More info, means more transparency....higher rating...bcos of honesty loh.....!!
Posted by probability > May 2, 2018 04:48 PM | Report Abuse
More information means better stock meh?
probability
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Posted by probability > May 2, 2018 04:48 PM | Report Abuse
does it mean its selling cheap?
probability
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Posted by probability > May 2, 2018 04:49 PM | Report Abuse
how did it justify a buying price of RM 1.90 per share from Shell?
2018-05-02 16:54
so many questions.....
does it mean the more the merrier?
how about paralysis by analysis.?
2018-05-02 16:56
I think questions raise by sslee very relevant mah....!!
Only pondan...says raising more question no good loh...!!
posted by qqq3 > May 2, 2018 04:56 PM | Report Abuse
so many questions.....
does it mean the more the merrier?
how about paralysis by analysis.?
2018-05-02 16:58
Better ask question than don ask mah....!!
If u ask there are chances, it may be answered, if u act like pondan don ask, u will not get any answer at all loh...!!
REMEMBER GOD ALWAYS ADVICE THIS LOH " ASK AND YE SHALL RECEIVE LOH"
BRAVO TO SSLEE....FOR ASKING QUESTIONs LOH...!!
Posted by qqq3 > May 2, 2018 05:13 PM | Report Abuse
no 2 investors have same time horizon and risk appetite....
so go ask any question you fancy......
2018-05-02 17:20
remember warren buffet and his sifu philip fisher advice...investors to attend the agm...to ask questions....and to see how the management carry themselves....to have an idea to see & feel their management qualities at work mah...!!
2018-05-02 17:50
stockraider > May 2, 2018 05:50 PM | Report Abuse
remember warren buffet and his sifu philip fisher advice...investors to attend the agm...to ask questions....and to see how the management carry themselves....to have an idea to see & feel their management qualities at work mah...!!
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WB buys for 10 years one...maybe forever.
most people....10 weeks far too long already.
2018-05-02 17:54
Dear all,
If you look around things surrounding you included yourself then you will realize we are all make from hydrocarbon or organic chemical. The source of our hydro carbon is from photosynthesis where C02 from atmosphere is absorbed under sunlight by living plant leaves and water (H20) from the ground to synthesis Hydro carbon (H and C) and release the O2 back to the atmosphere. This Hydro carbon is abundantly stored in Fossils fuel (formed from remains of dead plants and animals converted to Coal, Natural gas and Crude oil) or is freshly produced in vegetable oil and animal fat. These two sources of hydro carbon is then used as the starting feed material: Petro-chemical (fossil fuel), Oleo-chemical (Vegetable oil and animal fat) to make all the organic chemicals you can find in this world.
Oleo-chemical is renewable, bio-degradable and edible hence were label as green and natural chemical widely used in edible oil, functional fat (cocoa butter, ice-cream, emulsify, margarine, health food, edible candle and etc), personal care, cosmetic, hygiene products, lubricant, detergent, cleaning products and bio-diesel whereas most of petrol chemical which is not bio-degradable end up as fuel, plastic, lubricant, paraffin wax, synthetic rubber, detergent, cosmetic and etc.
I am glad that I am in Oleo-chemical industry that brings so much benefit to all the stakeholders and planet Earth. It is this believes that drive us to give our best and strive harder.
Thank you
2018-05-02 18:05
Hengyuan market share price is very volatile due to manipulation.
Q1. Investment Bank issued hundred millions of Call Warrants without holding significant share in Hengyuan. Example; Maybank investment Bank Berhad CJ, CI, CQ, CR 4x100,000,000 call warrants but holds 2,184,000 shares as of latest report. Any rule and regulation regarding issuing of call warrant?
Q2. Small free float of Hengyuan shares: With issue share capital of 300,000,000 shares and public shareholding spread of approximately 48.98 % or 146,940,000 shares. Hence many syndicates were feeding greed to push up the price, after they have sold their shares then spreading (false news) fear to push down the price and collect back cheaply and repeat the vicious circle of greed and fear again. These robbers had robbed many innocent investors of their life saving. This had to be stopped. I suggest board decide now to increase issue share capital with share split, bonus share, free warrant and ESOS?
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The pertinent observation of Sslee:
Hence many syndicates were feeding greed to push up the price, after they have sold their shares then spreading (false news) fear to push down the price and collect back cheaply and repeat the vicious circle of greed and fear again. These robbers had robbed many innocent investors of their life saving. This had to be stopped.
Knowing this counter is manipulated, why did you choose to be involved in this counter?
Do you have an advantage over others in this investment?
From all the questions asked, you are actually investing in a very difficult to understand business.
Of the 4 tenets of investing by Buffett, one of his tenets is: He only invests in a business he understands.
2018-05-02 19:49
RAIDER ASK U ALL LAH ....!!
WHY U WORRY ABOUT MANIPULATION LEH ??
IF THE STOCK IS FUNDAMENTAL STRONG & UNDERVALUE...NO MATTER HOW U MANIPULATE, EVENTUALLY IT WILL ALWAYS GO UP IN THE LONG RUN MAH..!!
THE ABOVE IS NOT RAIDER SAYS, IT IS ADVICE BY W.BUFFET MAH..!!
SHORT TERM STOCK IS A VOTING MACHINE BUT LONGER IT IS A WEIGHING MACHINE LOH...!!
PUT IT THIS WAY LOH, IF MANIPULATION SEND THE STOCK DRASTICALLY WRONG WAY U BUY LOH....!!
LET MR MARKET ACT STUPID, U TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HIM LOH...!!
Posted by 3iii > May 2, 2018 07:49 PM | Report Abuse
Hengyuan market share price is very volatile due to manipulation.
Q1. Investment Bank issued hundred millions of Call Warrants without holding significant share in Hengyuan. Example; Maybank investment Bank Berhad CJ, CI, CQ, CR 4x100,000,000 call warrants but holds 2,184,000 shares as of latest report. Any rule and regulation regarding issuing of call warrant?
Q2. Small free float of Hengyuan shares: With issue share capital of 300,000,000 shares and public shareholding spread of approximately 48.98 % or 146,940,000 shares. Hence many syndicates were feeding greed to push up the price, after they have sold their shares then spreading (false news) fear to push down the price and collect back cheaply and repeat the vicious circle of greed and fear again. These robbers had robbed many innocent investors of their life saving. This had to be stopped. I suggest board decide now to increase issue share capital with share split, bonus share, free warrant and ESOS?
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The pertinent observation of Sslee:
Hence many syndicates were feeding greed to push up the price, after they have sold their shares then spreading (false news) fear to push down the price and collect back cheaply and repeat the vicious circle of greed and fear again. These robbers had robbed many innocent investors of their life saving. This had to be stopped.
Knowing this counter is manipulated, why did you choose to be involved in this counter?
Do you have an advantage over others in this investment?
From all the questions asked, you are actually investing in a very difficult to understand business.
Of the 4 tenets of investing by Buffett, one of his tenets is: He only invests in a business he understands.
2018-05-02 22:09
yes , BN will die die to ensure they win.
remember last election, they somehow made BN win despite all marginal votes victory and dun average were indeed exceeding BN.
as such every single damn vote counts
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do not leave a minutest chance for them to win...
every single old man, uncle, aunties you find...please persuade them.
youngster have access to the media and whatsap...but not the elderly.
they will blindly vote for BN due to years of ''conditioning'' of the brain - neural paths.
please do and all out effort to ensure they vote for PH
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ITS AN ABSOLUTE MUST THAT PH WINS THIS TIME.
2018-05-03 00:54
Malay voters makes the difference this time, Malay always comfortable with Tun M....the cause for the split in Malay voter because they can't accept his treatment on Anwar....now both of them joining their force....BN will die..
2018-05-03 08:40
Raider special advice to SSLEE,
Do not let 3iii & probability "f..k"... u loh...!!
All ur questions raised highly relevant mah....!!
If the company chose to answer to each of the questions u raised they will respond mah, if they chose not to answer, they will tell u why mah..!!
Do not let these 2 conmen tell u, u cannot submit or scale down your question loh...!!
Pls Keep up the hard work loh...!
2018-05-03 15:02
wah sslee you so many questions... might as well you skip this company. You never attend AGM before ah? You only have chance to ask 1 - 3 questions max... otherwise the chairman will ask you to sit.
2018-05-03 15:04
some have a million shares and one question
some have one share and a million questions
what is your ambition?
2018-05-03 15:15
RUBBISH LOH...!!
IF U ACT LIKE MSWG...U R FUCKING REDUNDANT MAH....!!
BCOS MSWG WILL BE ASKING QUESTION TOO MAH....!!
U SHOULD BE BETTER THAN MSWG LOH...!!
Posted by John_Lee > May 3, 2018 03:15 PM | Report Abuse
This is not a common occurrence but I agree with 3iii.
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Posted by 3iii > May 3, 2018 03:01 PM | Report Abuse
SSLEE
You should be like the MSWG. They just ask a few most relevant questions.
2018-05-03 15:19
DO NOT LET THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO ABUSE YOUR RIGHTS TO QUESTION LOH...!!
STAY FIRM WITH YOUR RIGHTS TO QUESTION LOH....!!
Posted by hellbender > May 3, 2018 03:04 PM | Report Abuse
wah sslee you so many questions... might as well you skip this company. You never attend AGM before ah? You only have chance to ask 1 - 3 questions max... otherwise the chairman will ask you to sit.
2018-05-03 15:21
YES U MAY VESTED INTEREST, IF U R NOT SHAREHOLDERS LOH....!!
BUT PROBABILITY & 3iii SUPPRESSING EXISTING SHAREHOLDER LIKE SSLEE FROM ASKING QUESTION TO HY BOARD OF DIRECTORS ARE REALLY NOT RIGHT LOH...!!
Posted by itch > May 3, 2018 03:40 PM | Report Abuse
Aiyo...people who have no HY shares can also have vested interest ma... kikiki
2018-05-03 15:48
BEN GRAHAM & WARREN BUFFET ALWAYS ADVICE INVESTORS;
WHEN FACE WITH UNCERTAIN SITUATION....SEEK INFO AND LEARN & GAIN KNOWLEDGE LIKE INSIDER LOH....!!
THE ACT OF PROBABILITY & 3iii OF DISCOURAGING & PREVENTING SSLEE SHOWS, THAT THEY ARE VERY DISHONEST LOH...!!
AN HONEST PERSON LIKE RAIDER WILL ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GAIN MORE INFO & KNOWLEDGE WHENEVER POSSIBLE MAH...!!
THIS IS COMMON SENSE & THE TRUTH WHAT A GOOD PERSON WILL DO LOH..!!
2018-05-03 16:11
Games that people play
Some join the Games
Some invent their own Games
what is your ambition?
2018-05-03 16:15
FARM PLS READ UR CO LAW, BURSA LISTING RULES, SC RULES B4 U MAKE SUCH A STUPID REMARKS LOH....!!
Posted by Fam Jenny > May 3, 2018 04:15 PM | Report Abuse
Questions can be discussed only according to the motions in the agenda n they cannot be entertained unless in the 'other business' motion.
DO NOT LET THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS CON U LOH....!!
SSLEE BY SENDING THE QUESTION EARLIER IS LIKE GIVING 'Other business motion' where the directors cannot say they don know loh....!!
Anyhow...if SSLEE did not write in...earlier...shareholders still have rights to ask this question during AGM mah....!!
This is what AGM is all about mah....!!
2018-05-03 16:26
What type rubbish suggestion loh...??
The reason why HY is very popular bcos it is undervalue & have very strong cashflow mah....!!
U CAN NEVER FIND A SO UNDERVALUE CO IN KLSE WITH PE 3X LIKE HY MAH...!!
U NEED TO NOTE HY BUSINESS ARE HUGE VOLUME REPETITIVE CONSUMER BUSINESS MAH.....!!
AND HY IS THE MOST COST COMPETITIVE REFINERY IN THE WORLD MAH....!!
ALL HY PRODUCTS ARE SOLD TO SHELL MARKETING LOH....!!
UNDER THIS SITUATION, IT IS HIGH VOLUME REPETITIVE CONSUMER BUSINESS AND WITH A VERY COST EFFECTIVE MANUFACTURING IN HY, IN ADDITION ALL ITS PRODUCTION VOLUME IS TAKEN UP BY SHELL, U CAN BE SURE HY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GENERATE STRONG CASHFLOW AND PROFITS FOR THE NEXT 30 YRS LOH......!!
DO NOT MISS THIS UP & COMING UNDERVALUE BLUECHIPS HY WITH ONLY PE 3X LOH......!!
Posted by Bull > May 3, 2018 05:07 PM | Report Abuse
HY is under correction. Time to look for counter which has lower risk and higher potential gain.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1975669769428631&id=19.
2018-05-03 17:28
Cover letter sends:
Dear Mr. Surya Gunawan bin Suharman,
(Manager, Corporate Affairs and Government Relation)
I have completed the prepared questions for the Hengyuan 59th AGM.
I attached:
File 1: Questions for Hengyuan AGM. Question in red.
File 2: Hengyuan Quarterly result summary.
Please forward to the relevant Board/CEO/Manager/Auditor for them to prepare the answers.
The answers shall be presented during the 59th AGM and I will be there to listen to the board answers.
Summary of subjects and questions/suggestions for each subject:
1. REVIEW OF FINANCIAL REPORT 2017.
A. Inventory: 10 questions
B. TRADE RECEIVABLES: 4 questions
C. OTHER RECEIVABLES AND PREPAYMENTS: 1 question
D. CASH AND CASH EQUIVALENTS: 3 questions
E. TRADE AND OTHER PAYABLES: 1 question
F. BORROWINGS: 3 questions
2. Review of Quarterly report 2017: 5 questions
3. MANAGEMENT DISCUSSION & ANALYSIS: 25 questions
4. CORPORATE GOVERNANCE REPORT: 2 suggestions
5. THE PROPOSED SHARE BUY-BACK: 2 questions
6. Dividend: 2 questions.
Thank you
Best Regards
SS LEE
2018-05-03 19:58
WhatsApp reply from Mr. Surya.
Dear Mr lee,
We received the said emaul with thanks and we had corporate the list of questions as part of the AGM’s Q&A.
Looking forward to meeting you.
Sincerely,
Surya Suharman
2018-05-03 20:02
so many questions, and by the end of the AGM so many answers.....
by one question still remains at end of AGM that is beyond the control of the BOD......then how come, no IB analyst is brave enough or interested enough to cover Hengyuan and no IB analyst is brave enough or interested enough to issue a strong buy on a company that is trading at PE 3?
2018-05-03 21:21
mneo
It is good to hear..... Good luck to all of us.... Really thankful for your effort... Have a good day.... :-)
2018-05-02 08:14