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Winning the game at the expense of others - felicity

Tan KW
Publish date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017, 01:23 PM
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Thursday, February 16, 2017 

 
In investment, if we pick the right, well managed companies, we can take a ride for long period with the company although our picking point was not at the right optimal level. Usually, if anyone is buying a business, we do not expect (but yes we hope we do), we are going to have an immediate gain, and a month later we sell that business. That in a way is speculation. In speculation, it is often a zero sum game where we hope that we have gone in at the optimal price point, while others would pick our crumbs along the way when we sell.

A zero sum game is when we win, another person will lose. Almost all the people that invests hope that it is a positive sum game. That is if I win, our fellow investors will win as well. The business turns out to be getting stronger and stronger and eventually dish out strong consistent dividends. That has always been the hope of a long term investor. However, if one is to decide to pour part of their savings into Magnum, Berjaya Toto (not the stocks but the tickets) then it would be really a negative sum game.

Over the last 2 years in Malaysia, I noticed an alarming state. There are just too many whom have introduced stocks at a seemingly low price, picked them up and call for a short term gain (by asking other people to buy). There will be a group of people whom will just follow. This is what I called - a hit and run and where they will never come back anymore. The ones that picked up the crumbs will often lose to the ones that call for the stocks in the first place.

In theory buying underpriced stocks is definitely not a wrong doing but the way it is done is really not right. Calling it, when other people were still buying for that person to sell is really irresponsible but unfortunately it is vastly happening.

So how do we avoid that from happening. We can't. In most likelihood, it is the role of the other investors themselves to weed those irresponsible(s) out. The best way is to really test out their facts and understanding of the matter. As an example, if one is to say the below for example, you know there is really something wrong in the person who says the below:

"Actually, many people do not understand what is Share Premium Account and it's intended use. And because of this, many retailer miss out on potential corporate exercise that can benefit them.

So, how does this share premium account appear? Let me give you an example. Let's say the company Par Value is RM 0.50, but the company do a private placement at RM 1.00, so there is a Premium of RM 0.50. That RM 0.50 will then be stored inside the share premium account, and it cannot be simply used for normal operation such as company operation. The money here can only be utilized for corporate exercise such as Bonus Issue. When the company do bonus issue, it will then capitalized the money in the share premium account into share capital, and can utilize them for company day to day operation."

I am perplexed when someone can get away with totally wrong facts, and there will just be people who follow.

In today's world there are so many reliable sites where we can check the facts - and for those who really want to get tips, please really check and recheck them. Your money is your responsibility!
 
 

http://www.intellecpoint.com/2017/02/winning-game-at-expense-of-others.html

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stockmanmy

I fail to understand what is meant by "at the expense of others"

if there is misrepresentation, what are the specifics?


if there is no misrepresentation but the share go down instead of up.....where is the "at the expense of others"?

2017-02-17 15:44

k55s

Why no reply? What if share drop instead of up? How 100% sure it will go up?

stockmanmy I fail to understand what is meant by "at the expense of others"
if there is misrepresentation, what are the specifics?
if there is no misrepresentation but the share go down instead of up.....where is the "at the expense of others"?
17/02/2017 15:44

2017-02-18 10:36

stockraider

Posted by kcchongnz > Feb 17, 2017 12:45 AM | Report Abuse

Posted by stockmanmy > Feb 16, 2017 11:51 PM | Report Abuse

you can or cannot stand is you.....but not illegal nor immoral to teach people how to be super investors.

ME: WHO SAID IT IS ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL TO TEACH PEOPLE TO BE SUPER INVESTOR?

Raider : it is illegal & immoral if u misrep investor with super investor when buy right u have nothing to show loh...!!

Let me tell you how to be super investors....its two words, focus and margin account. This is your passport to unimaginable wealth.

ME: YOU TELL ME TO BE SUPER INVESTOR? WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO CLAIM THAT?
FOCUS AND MARGIN ACCOUNT? HOW? ANY SUBSTANCE IN YOUR THIS TALKING COCK?

Raider ; If people listen to u bet heavy & sailang on ur 2 recent recommendations UMWOG and CSC at Rm 2.38 alot of people would have bankrupt by now loh...!!

learning is by practise...by doing, by forecasting, measurement, and revise.

ME: YEAH KAH? SHOW HOW YOU PRACTISE, DOING, FORECASTING, MEASUREMENT, REVISE......
I HAVE NO IDEA YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Raider : Just mumbo jumbo talk big loh...without facts loh..!!

Focus and margin...I learn a lot. The way to unimaginable wealth is first to unlearn what other people do

ME: WHAT YOU LEARN? I HAVE NOT THE FAINTEST IDEA.
UNIMAGINABLE WEALTH? REALLY AH?
UNLEARN WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO? DO WHAT?

Raider: As raider says based on mammy sailang recommendations alot people would have bankrupt loh...!!

Every super investor is a sailang investor. Look at how Warren Buffett is a sailang man all his life.

WARREN BUFFETT A SAILANG MAN? WHERE YOU GOT THAT? SAILANG WHAT/

Raider: Mammy justFalse claim & use great investment personality to lie loh.....!!

2017-02-18 10:46

Up_down

Raider... How can we expect a plp person to give his fair view on a matter. When come priority....first thing is plp. That's why he lost to you straight few street....when a person don't have sufficient knowledge and practical experience or skills to make a judgement, don't pretend to be a sifu la. lol

2017-02-18 10:55

stockraider

Mammy is a senior retired accountant lost to a despatch boy ?

I think he outdated....and carry his boss kyy balls for far too long loh.....!!

2017-02-18 10:58

Up_down

I hardly see a qualified Accountant not talking facts and figures. May be this is the first time...
He has lost his way or vision by keeping plp kyy. We don't need to plp people for making money in stock market but it is necessary to plp when we are an employee or building a business...lol

2017-02-18 11:06

stockraider

Thats why retired early loh....!!

2017-02-18 11:07

Up_down

There is nothing wrong to learn from a former dispatch boy....be open minded. He is now different and posses practical investment skills and experience ....we are more concerned on NOW rather than the past.

2017-02-18 11:12

Up_down

Law of attraction...what would happen to a person when he keeps practicing plp in stock market forum? lol

2017-02-18 11:16

stockmanmy

there is no possibility to be super investor if you follow raider and or KC or the media.

think clearly,

if you want to be super investor, you got to be like KYY and or Warren Buffett...go sailang when you got a good idea....borrow from friends and family and margin account and sailang all in.



I got a few good ideas but I cannot share with you just yet...let me be more sure first.

2017-02-18 11:58

k55s

What to sailang now?

2017-02-18 12:02

Up_down

My own view is simple. I have never dreamed of being someone... whatever superduper investor in future la. I just do my homework , acquiring more knowledge, experiences and create a system work for me to earn money consistently in the stock market. Lol

2017-02-18 12:09

stockmanmy

I know but not telling you.

2017-02-18 12:09

stockmanmy

The behaviour of super investors............

Warren Buffett bought Apples shares and now treble up after it had gone up.

Super investors never sell shares just because it went up.

Super investors treble up when shares go up.

2017-02-18 12:12

stockraider

Up down....ur approach is correct....investment success foundation are build overtime loh...!!

Make sure get ur investment tech right....the law of successful compounding will work its way over time loh.....!!

No need to be a gambler & sailang....with great risk loh....!!

2017-02-18 12:13

CharlesT

Posted by Up_down > Feb 18, 2017 12:09 PM | Report Abuse

My own view is simple. I have never dreamed of being someone... whatever superduper investor in future la. I just do my homework , acquiring more knowledge, experiences and create a system work for me to earn money consistently in the stock market. Lol

Quietly and happily making money from stock mkt every year using our own formula.

Dont have to be self proclaimed Super Investor or Msian WB or to PLP them...What for?

2017-02-18 12:23

Up_down

Raider. Fully agreed with your view. you are my respected sifu. What I have learned from you most is fearless in stock market. I still remember you had earned a lot of money during Grexit in a short time while I was hiding in the cave. what a joke!

2017-02-18 12:23

stockraider

People like KYY and Mammy are just short term speculators.
They don invest for the long term unless got stucked like the case of xinguan loh.....!!

Thus they don benefit from the law of compounding loh...!!

2017-02-18 12:23

CharlesT

Short term speculator or long term investor doesnt matter, as long as u can make money consistently

What for to buy n hold Reach for 2 years just for a safe 6-7% return?

U buy Reach-WA at Rm0.07 for 2 months u get 100% return...

2017-02-18 12:26

Up_down

Charles. Congrat! You have developed a success formula in stock market too. What for to mimic someone... Haha

2017-02-18 12:26

CharlesT

Posted by Up_down > Feb 18, 2017 12:26 PM | Report Abuse

Charles. Congrat! You have developed a success formula in stock market too. What for to mimic someone... Haha

If anyone can make money consistently in stock mkt for more than 5 years I trust they should oredi establish their own winning formula.

2017-02-18 12:28

CharlesT

But can always learn from Sifu here as to improve further...FOC one

2017-02-18 12:30

stockraider

That i agree...but to benefit on law compounding...a way one of the way to be rich....u need to give law of compounding to work mah...!!

Of course they are other ways to be rich....like sailang etc....but compare to law of compounding...!!

The compounding method is safest method for ordinary folks to win consistently, just like W. Buffet.

If u hold on to your Pbank, genting u would have make alot of monies loh.......!!

2017-02-18 12:31

stockmanmy

raider and kc all talk rubbish...but don't have what it takes to be super investor.

2017-02-18 12:31

CharlesT

Sadly there is not many stocks like PBB,MBB, Genting etc...

Anyway I personally not in favour of this kind of stocks coz not challenging...no fun...lol

2017-02-18 12:32

Up_down

It's still good choices for investors who don't like to do homework in order to make money consistently in long term.

Posted by CharlesT > Feb 18, 2017 12:32 PM | Report Abuse

Sadly there is not many stocks like PBB,MBB, Genting etc...

Anyway I personally not in favour of this kind of stocks coz not challenging...no fun...lol

2017-02-18 12:35

CharlesT

Bro Up Down, fully agreed so. Just saying it's not my cup of tea...

Maybe wait till I becomes 70 years old then...

2017-02-18 12:37

Up_down

Yeah. it's Super XXX 3 investor. lol

2017-02-18 12:38

CharlesT

Lol, just kidding with Stockmanmy

2017-02-18 12:39

stockraider

Up Down raider is not asking u to hold on to the past super star stock loh.....!!

U need to discover & search for new gem and new star and invest on them for the long run...just like what happen to Genting and PBB loh...!!

That is where compounding will work just give them time mah....!!

2017-02-18 12:40

Up_down

Raider. It's not easy to scout for new stars.... taxing when we become an old man.

2017-02-18 12:43

stockraider

Why the question of safe when u quest to be rich ?

Remember W Buffet advise;

1st rule of investment...Don lose Monies

2nd rule.......remember the 1st rule loh....!!

Notice W Buffet....emphasis...emphasis....safety...safety loh...!!

2017-02-18 12:45

Up_down

Bro Charles. I will keep UMW in my watchlist. Thx

2017-02-18 12:46

k55s

Agree PBB, Genting, Maybank safe. But if Puncak, FL Bhd safemeh?

2017-02-18 12:46

stockraider

Puncak is graham type of net net margin of safety investment loh...!!

FLB strong cashflow....can be possible W. Buffet type of stock loh...!1

Long term compounding...FLB better bet loh....!!

2017-02-18 12:50

stockraider

To hit a new star...u need to hit 50 success b4 u can find one loh...!!

Thus not easy.....thats why very valuable mah....!!

2017-02-18 12:54

Up_down

Raiders is good at playing net net margin safety.... his core competence. Normally he can make profit. Hardly see him go wrong with this approach.

2017-02-18 12:57

stockraider

Net net are raider core winning strategy for many yrs loh.....!!

But raider notice compounding .....is the better to go in the long run loh.....!!

It is much powerful than net net loh.....!!

2017-02-18 13:07

stockmanmy

raider


don't talk cock.

looking at your poor judgement...I bet you are a big loser in the stock market game.

2017-02-18 13:09

stockraider

Mammy,

Can u give specific area ....where raider lose big leh ??

2017-02-18 13:14

Up_down

Jealousy.....another obstacle for us to learn from others. You want to feed your ego or learn more practical approach for making money in stock market....to learn more, we don't even care England standard...lol

2017-02-18 13:26

stockmanmy

I don't have access to your private accounts...my opinion is a projection based on poor judgement of character.....Warren Buffett is an excellent judge of character.





stockraider > Feb 18, 2017 01:14 PM | Report Abuse

Mammy,

Can u give specific area ....where raider lose big leh ??

2017-02-18 14:20

abangadik

UMW could be a good investment but I am not sure if this is a good timing for short medium term unless your horizon is 5 years and above, then I would say it is great investment.

2017-02-18 14:36

RUOutOfUrMind

I have never seen any accountant look at things without thinking of figures. All accountants are commonly well known to see everything in figures. Yes, EVERYTHING.

If someone claimed himself as accountant but never talk figure, that's extremely suspicious. Either he is liar or he is just an admin clerk, merely know how to key in invoices into accounting system.

2017-02-18 14:36

RUOutOfUrMind

I have never seen stockmanmy talk figures, everything he talked is DYNAMIC, it means nothing & empty, no one know what he is talking about, only he himself know what is that meaning.

2017-02-18 14:38

RUOutOfUrMind

If DYNAMIC investment is something in his mind without any supporting from figures or something can not be told, then it is just another rubbish theory no one will ever understand except stockmanmy himself.

Please mind to know that there are hundreds of thoughts & schools about investment.

2017-02-18 14:42

RUOutOfUrMind

Don't talk about feng shui, taiji, yingyang in investment, all are rubbish. DYNAMIC investment is no different to those things that want to make simple thing looked complicated.

2017-02-18 14:43

stockmanmy

well...you are out of your mind....sure explains a lot......

2017-02-18 14:44

stockraider

Posted by stockmanmy > Feb 18, 2017 02:20 PM | Report Abuse

I don't have access to your private accounts...my opinion is a projection based on poor judgement of character.....Warren Buffett is an excellent judge of character.
stockraider > Feb 18, 2017 01:14 PM | Report Abuse

Mammy,

Can u give specific area ....where raider lose big leh ??

RAIDER COMMENT:
THESE ARE ALL THE RUBBISH TALK MAMMY IS CAPABLE OF LOH....!!
THATS WHY HIS DYNAMIC CALL TAK BOLEH PAKAI MAH....!!

BCOS ALL SIMPLY SAYS LOH....!!

WHEN RAIDER MAKE COMMENT ON MAMMY ...VERY SPECIFIC LOH....!!

1. UMWOG CALL KOYAK LOH....!!
2. HE ASK PEOPLE TO CHASE CSC AT ABOVE RM 2.30 NOW GONE TO THE DRAIN LOH......!!

RAIDER COMMENT ALL SUPPORTED FACTS & FIGURE NO MISLEADING MAH....!!

2017-02-18 15:06

stockmanmy

raid


put money in PNB stocks sure better than money in raider stocks.

2017-02-18 19:45

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