see... really waste my energy to even argue with this loser... oh ya.. I didn't go anywhere.. i was hiding in a cave crying like a loser (like you) these few days... happy with my answer? haha

Yong Ji.. u r right... when the overall market is falling (including the beloved stock of this idiot CKCS - HEVEA), he chose to only laugh at Evergreen... but kept quiet like a loser and said nothing about the price of HEVEA which also fell from RM1.55 (when he first promoted it) to now RM1.30...

see.. loser is pretty double standard... haha...
just get used to it la...

loser is always loser.. we shall see which share will perform better by end of this year or in 2018

haha... idiot CKCS.... i was away for vacation for a few days.. he started crying like a baby...

haha... i was offline a few days and this idiot + manipulator CKCS is still fooling around...
sometimes i really pity him, and to more extent, his parents to have such a never-grown up kid with learning + comprehensive ability.

1) so-called MASSIVE debt.. myself + jack _ raider had said numerous times, the net gearing is as low as 4%
2) so-called MASSIVE capex.., stupid idiot... pls read the report properly.. from 2017 onwards, the CAPEX will be reduced significantly as the management had allocated much less CAPEX for 2017 onwards? Why? they already spent much CAPEX upfront in 2015 & 2016... so it is time to reap the results from 2017 2H onwards... CAPEX will be minimal now.

haiz... retard with comprehensive ability is hard to be educated...

OR.... he knows it all.... (i think this is more likely)... but still act like an idiot... trying to sabotage the share price...

walao.. very CHEAP lo CKCS & his holland mate (holland_chai), or maybe some idiot, 2 IDs....

PUIIIII

but we are buying the future/prospect of Evergreen.. which these idiots can never understand (or they understand, but still want to sabotage and in their wishful thinking, trying to collect when the price goes down)

why did i say so?

in Q1 2016, revenue was 246.79M
in Q1 2017, revenue was 249.50M

in fact, revenue has improved, despite that fact that middle east softening demand is already happening since 2016 (not just now). But we are still seeing that the sales/revenues are well taken care of. Unlike what some idiot said, their sales will be impacted.

The only thing Evergreen should focus on is cost control.
So i think low oil price is beneficial to Evergreen, if the crisis continues.
And flood issue is an one-off thing, which impacted Evergreen in Q1 2017.

Let's see.. i do not expect Q2 to be excellent, but do not think it will be of any worse than Q1 2017.

well said Jon... there are always 2 idiots trying to create chaos here... we know who they are...
in fact, like what i mentioned earlier, Qatar issue will likely cause the oil price to drop (if it continues) and this is actually beneficial to Evergreen as methanol is one of the major raw materials used for producing resin/glue for MDF.
So far Evergreen has no problem on the top line (revenue) and they are currently impacted by bottom line (profit) due to high costs. In fact, they have been shifting the sales from Middle East to other ASEAN/ASIAN countries since 2016 when oil price was depressed by then.
Having said so, the risk mitigation has been in place so I do not see a big issue there...

Like you said, when new production lines (RTA & particleboards) come alive in 2H 2017 and onwards, we will see the cash flow to be further strengthened...

only idiot will shout that it has cash flow issue as he does not really know anything about accounting..

well said o0o54088o0o and Max Foo.

Raider, honestly speaking, i do not expect wonderful results for Q2.
But as a value investor, we look beyond that.
Management has indicated earlier that 1st half of 2017 will be softer...
yet this little boy (balls not fully developed yet) came out and shout like a big hooh-ha...

in fact, this is a known fact and it has already been priced in...

and we are waiting for the results to yield in 2H 2017 and in 2018... that is why we are collecting when it is at low time and wait to sell when the value is realized...

u think loser CKCS will understand this?

stupid.. read back what caused the lower margin? bcoz of lower sales to middle east? NOPE.. mainly due to higher raw material costs (flood, etc)

we are talking about costs now... lower oil price = lower costs...

which is good for evergreen... like that also dunno

in fact, i view the Qatar issue as an advantage to Evergreen, not disadvantage as the OIL PRICE will be SUPPRESSED..

evergreen will have significantly lower production costs!

what a CHEAP loser CKCS.... intention/motive/personal agenda too obvious la weiii.....

not easy to consolidate so many news from different sites.. then try to conclude and convince ppl that evergreen is in trouble.. i salute his determination trying to sabotage the share and collect later at cheap price...

wah,,,let me say it 3 times becoz it is very important:

Loser CKCS is NOT interested in Evergreen, but he spent so much time even finding so many news to spread rumour!!!

Loser CKCS is NOT interested in Evergreen, but he spent so much time even finding so many news to spread rumour!!!

Loser CKCS is NOT interested in Evergreen, but he spent so much time even finding so many news to spread rumour!!!

haiz... this loser not only does not have accounting skills, but also does not have common sense...

we already know Q2 will not be very good... evergreen management already said so earlier on...

so when Q2 results are out.. guess what.. this loser will bark again:

See... i told u.. results not meeting expectation...

typical loser... exaggerating things that we already know and try to sabotage a fundamentally sound share...

see... loser starts to spread rumour.. war coming soon la.. bla bla bla..
intention very clear - SABOTAGE...

pls talk fact.. not nonsense or cock

CKCS.. i doubt idiot like u can even understand any one of the points above....

idiot CKCS is again trying to spread rumours...

what me whack him again:

1) QATAR issue -
he acts like a GOD knowing this will impact Evergreen sales to the middle east
Dolly says:
1) show us the proof? Qatar may not have trades with other middle east countries but that does not mean it will not have business with Evergreen (from non-middle east country)
2) he mentions of border issue... goods can be directly shipped to Qatar or any other countries in middle east. ok, even at worst case, i assume Evergreen will need to route thru other middle east countries before reaching Qatar... what is the % of total sales to Qatar for evergreen? find out this before you spread rumours
3) what i can see is that, even if sales to Qatar is impacted, sales to other middle east countries are untouched... again, what is the % of sales to Qatar? will it be significant compared to all other middle east countries and Asian/ASEAN countries? the answer is unlikely. for the minimal impact, evergreen has broad markets globally, they can shift the sales to ASEAN countries (they are already doing that as currently all middle east countries are not doing well due to weak oil price)... so this has been PRICED in.
4) Qatar issue will lead to lower oil price... we think the sales impact is none or minimal.. but for sure oil price will be suppressed... Oil is one of Evergreen major raw material for resin/glue.. so lower oil price means lower cost for production. good for evergreen

see.. loser keeps posting negative news (unjustified) and his intention is very obvious...
trying to sabotage and collect cheap? u r very cheap lo... shame on you

haha... evergreen management already said from day 1, they are able to shift the sales from middle east to other countries in Asian/ASEAN if the demand softens... this loser CKCS never does this homework... and how can he justify that demand from middle east will soften just based on that news... again, childish and premature...

jackng06 , good to see u r back... yes, these 2 idiots remain idiotic all the time... sometimes i feel silly talking to idiots like them...
when he can't even fight back our justification, he talks loads of nonsense, over and over...

when he no longer has any valid points to raise (after we continuously proved him wrong with real fact), he came out with more nonsense..

let me bash him one more round on his recent stupid comment:

1) I don't know who this Henry S Kuo is, and i don't give a damn at all.
2) All I know is that the company is still being well run by the founder (at background) Mr Kuo Wen Chi and his two son Kuo Jen Chang (CEO) and Kuo Jen Chiu (COO). If this Henry S Kuo is the 3rd generation of Kuo family (yet to confirm), I have no access to his personalities and capabilities as of now. Even if he is not capable, he may not be appointed to take over the company and his more capable siblings will do, or others who are more capable will do.
3) Having judged someone just based on the social media sharing is childish and premature
4) In common sense, if loser CKCS is not highly interested in Evergreen, why did he even spend so much time until he looked up on the 3rd generation of the Kuo family? he must have spent a lot of effort to even find out there is such person.
5) I don;t buy shares and keep for my whole life.. in any event that this 3rd generation (if he indeed is) is incapable and takes over, i can always sell it.

http://harryteo.blogspot.my/2017/06/1399evergrn-5101-9rm31877-milfy2018.html

read this.. if u can understand chinese...

i doubt if CKCS loser can read it...

haha... i know you are being sarcastic 小鱼... haha...
and i believe you have scrolled up and read all his childish and tweaked/manipulated statements...

wise ppl can tell who is telling lie and who is not... that is all I want to say...
i believe you are one of the wise ones.. ^^

yes, i do believe he hell loves evergreen and is trying to bottom fish... pity him for his clown-like acts sometimes...

if this loser CKCS, is not interested in evergreen.. why the heck is he spending some much time here?
nothing better do to? his intention is super obvious... haha

小鱼 ... this CKCS is just an idiot trying to sabotage Evergreen's share price so that he can collect cheap.... he is really very cheap...
and he also dreams of his "massive" impact of trying to bring down the share price?

come on.. he is just a clown, a loser.. his words won't even have any impact on the share price...

the recent correction was mainly due to softer results as posted in recent quarter.. but that is expected as highlighted by management earlier on...
we are embarking on the future of their expansion and that we all can notice that the cash flow has improved significantly...

and some idiot still stays at "massive debt" wrong accusations... he does not even know how to read cash flow and balance sheet.. pity him a lot...

check out how much cash evergreen has over the net debt... check out what is the shareholder funds evergreen has... check out their free cash flow, etc...

EPS fluctuates from quarter to quarter... that we cant even predict.. but we should look at more solid fundamentals such as trailing ROIC & EV/EBIT (magic formula), CY, DCF model etc...

haha.. well said ragingharrypotato... if not bcoz of these haters.. how could we collect at good price?

i am glad to have collected more shares during the recent correction... only idiots will pay high price for an already priced-in share... value investors buy when the share is trading at a discount

of course, not to even mention the more childish holland_chai...

this CKCS is no doubt an all-time loser.. i challenged all his tweaked info but he could not justify any of them with a solid fact... and keep repeating the same old shxt...

massive debt la.. bla bla bla.. but self-deceiving about the cash on hand and free cash flow, etc...

haiz.. what do we expect from a kindergarten level kid who cant even understand cash flow?

haha.. raider, welcome back..

haha... all this syariah-compliance thing is a shxt in investment world... i don't even give a damn to it... haha

nikicheong, u are right.. i mentioned that since day 1...
but this number 1 idixt CKCS (another ID of starperformer, but to me "sxckperformer") keeps comparing Evergreen to Hevea...

and we know that Evergreen's RTA business is just picking up but the prospect is bright and promising...

I believe that is also why CKCS is so worried now (which I dont think he needs to... the RTA market is huge and unsaturated yet, every player can have their own share market)

haha... all the while i can only see 2 idixts (or maybe the same one using 2 IDs) trying to manipulate and tweak info...

those who followed this forum (from the beginning) will know who lies and who tells the truth...

if ppl are comparing Q4 2016 with Q1 2017, that is definitely unfair.. comparing Q1 2016 & Q1 2017, I see a 73% increase in net profit... so I am not sure why ppl are selling like there is no tomorrow... haha... i am still holding tight to it as I dont see any deterioration in the fundamentals...in fact, like what the management had revealed.. 2017 results should be better than 2016 so that is improvement in fundamentals...

see.. this idiot is now creating and spreading fake rumour and info:

Or someone is siphoning money out of the company & kena FIRED?

if you have the proof, please go report to SC, idiot...

if not, tell me... why is this idixt spending so much time here?

I cannot think of a good reason if not one of the 3 mentioned above...

KL_82... as I had mentioned many times, this loser CKCS has his own agenda/motive.

Could be one of these reasons:
1) From what he had been saying, we know he is holding HEVEA. He is trying to sabotage Evergreen in his wishful thinking that it will help boost the share price of HEVEA. From what I can see, he bought HEVEA at high price and is deeply stuck so he needs others to help lift HEVEA share price so he can exit.
2) He is afraid of the emergence of Evergreen into the RTA & Particleboard business (right now Evergreen is still mainly on MDF and Value-added MDF) that will threaten HEVEA. So he wants to sabotage Evergreen.
3) He is highly interested in buying Evergreen but pretends he is not. Trying to shoot down the price so that he can collect at cheaper price.

idixts/gamblers like CKCS & HollandChai knows nothing but acts like expert...
ppl like them only speculate/punt without doing detailed analysis.. and they hardly make good profits (even if they luckily do, I bet their loss on other counters overwhelm the tiny profit they got).

i believe most of the Evergreen shareholders are smart and unlike the duo idixts (CKCS & holland chai.. or maybe the same idixt using 2 IDs?)... u can see that they expected the Q1 result to be softer.. and the price did not go down much..

why?

1) This is inline with expectation. We look forward to Q3 & Q4 2017 and 2018.
2) The current share price has already taken into account this impact (softer Q1 & Q2).

Looking forward, what will the share price be when the results significantly in Q3 & Q4?

Value investors buy shares when they are selling at a discount and just wait for it to realize to its real value

some ppl have very bad intention/motive/own agenda... that is what I want to say...
they tweak words, manipulate info and make false accusations

proof:
1) did i say zero CAPEX? scroll up and read. I have said it clear that Management mentioned around 40-50M CAPEX this year. But some idixt wants to falsely accused me... CAPEX in 2016 was 200M. idixt does not understand cash flow...
2) Did I say 1st half results will be good? I have said it many times, we look forward to second half of 2017 and 2018. scroll back up to read what I said before the release of results...

fact is fact.. loser is still loser... idiot of course, remains idiot

i pity loser and sochai CKCS and Holland Chai...
I am not referring to HL report alone but I just gave a quick example... I did my own intensive research but these losers talk cxck and nonsense...

Not just HL Bank, RHB etc did mention too (just these 2 idixts are either not aware or trying to tweak facts) that 2nd half of 2017 will see improvement due to the new launch of RTA and particleboard operations...

this is all in line with our expectation so I do not understand all this "purposely created" hooh-ha...

the share price is already reflective of the softer Q1 & Q2 (already priced in)... long term value investor look beyond that.. unlike the idiot CKCS

my advice to idiot CKCS:

1) if u dunno, ask.. dun act like an expert
2) dun simply accuse ppl. Management already indicated that Q1 & Q2 will be softer but will see improvement in Q3 & Q4 (second half of 2017).
3) Management already said that CAPEX for 2017 will be greatly reduced to around 40-50M (not zero like u idiot mentioned). See how much they spent for CAPEX in 2016? it is around 200M.
4) idiot does not understand cash flow and FCF.. with great reduction in CAPEX of around 150-160M... u will see much better FCF...

haiz.. guys, can u teach me how to educate stubborn and biased and cunning (with tweaked info) idiot like CKCS?

haha... this CKCS is an idiot.. confirmed...

HL research already mentioned very clearly that 1st half of 2017 will be softer for Evergreen.. and he is making a hoo-ha like this is something unexpected.. again, i would stress that this is expected and it is also stated that 2nd half of 2017 will see improvement as the new lines will get into a more stabilized state, generating more income and profit,

on the CAPEX... idiot CKCS, pls scroll up and read again (don't simply accuse)...
EVen HL research mentioned that the CAPEX will be significantly reduced (but not to ZERO)... see how much Evergreen spent in 2015 and 2016 vs what they are going to spend in 2017...

did anyone mention ZERO CAPEX this year?

confirmed a liar and idiot... go back read the HL report, idiot

haha... loser and idiot CKCS only barks when there is minor correction to the share price.. when the share price goes up, he hides inside the cave playing his own water gun...

When evergreen share price goes up..The 2 idiots (could be the same retarded kid) go hide in the cave

haha...

haha.. welcome back loser CKCS... yes, management mentioned that early 2017 will be softer due to the start-up stage of the new operations (particleboard and RTA lines)...

but loser like u only look at short-term, i understand that... u r a typical gambler/speculator...
u dun understand what lies ahead beyond 2nd half of 2017...

investors must be comparing the the Q1 2017 result with the Q4 2016 result, which is not a fair comparison... we should compare Q1 2017 with Q1 2016 as this quarter is a seasonally weaker qtr compared to other quarters...

haha... CKCS is confirmed an double-standard idiot...

1) when challenged that HEVEA price has also dropped since early this year.. he called that as CORRECTION. Whereas it is a "DOWNTREND" for Evergreen.. very funny right?
2) Did anyone of us here bought at RM1.60? haha.. yes, only CKCS alone.. so he hated this share so much...
3) We bought when it is trading at discounted price (with margin of safety)... stupxd CKCS bought when the share price is sky high and when there is no margin of safety..

facts tell everything... we all can see it...