What a song. Grammy award nominations for best lyrics!

whats wrong with HRC being 42? Ajinomoto is in the 20's, Nestle in the 80's, Duthch lady in the 50's. If it achieves and live up to its RM 42 credibilty, it is not impossible. the only question is how much time is needed for the performance to be at par.

people say that the red flags dont like to pay dividends. But I think bonus issue they might excercise. Perhaps at 42, it might just be institutional play like Nestle and Dutch lady. Issue bonus, and it might be a bit more liquid.

alex, who would have expected Penta to be what is today, from 30 sen to RM 4.90 within a couple of years. Is it overprice?I dont know, but does it comply with fundamental expectations of the industry segment? I think they do becos they are churning out numbers which are true to their billings.. Well. after all its not that HRC can move to 42 in a matter of months. Along the way they will be evaluated for compliance with HRC market perception and confidence. If they can successfully perform to the expectations of being a 42 rgt company, so it shall be. Well at least there is a chance based on calculated hopes, not hype. One good thing is that this red flag co is operating here, and not in the mainland. They cant hide totally, unlike the other red flaggers.

My 2 sens worth:
1) Lets assume there are 160 reader participants in this HRC i3 forum and in a best case scenario each is holding 10 lots each averagely about 75K (price at 7.50 each) each. In total you have 1600 lots (about 0.6%, not substantial shareholders) out of total of about 300,000 lots of HRC shares. 53% belong to HRC kept as pledged shares at one of the nominees. Do we seriously think that on 28th aug when we had the drubbing from 8 to 7, could happen again, in a worst case scenario, if on that day everyone of us sold down the 1600 lots? Do we seriously think that HRC nominees will be subject to market vulnerabilities from the so called concerted action by this 1600 lots. Incidentally, on the 28th total traded was about 11000 lots which was about 7 times more than the 1600 lots. Do you think that our actions move the counter significantly?
2) Comments that ASB sell down was the culprit. ASB normally report 2 days after market trade on their transactions. Till 30th they have not reported. They must report as they are substantial shareholders. They are privy to any co disclosure. They only sold down 500 lots prior to the Q2 report, and still hold 19000 lots. Would the fund not look mediocre when they are selling together with retailers? They should have done b4 the report was out. Notice that that was the only time they disposed between Q! and Q2. So, is their level of confidence on HRC diminished?
3) Stocks are a matter of perception and confidence. HRC with its quarterly results are beginning to show potential, but it must garner confidence by showing sustainability in performance in the future quarters. However, it must work extra hard to mitigate and earn the confidence becos of the stigma: red flag co.
4) If it lives true to its form in the coming quarter, b4 the results are out you will be dreaming if you can get at current prices. The Playmaker is not so much interested in us. What he wants to do is to create a premium for institutional entry into the stock. If for example HRC make another 120 mil profit, buyers will have to bear the premiums.
5) Unfortunately, we are just bystanders whose actions sometimes make us fodder for the HRC playmaker. We are not significant to him. In his strategy of creating the premium for the counter, we are only a recipient of his planned upwards or downwards movement.
With excellent potential, HRC is charting new path in its life cycle. Whether the 1600 lots being sold or bought could move markets is definitely a day dream.
Again, dont have to draw out the fangs or parangs. Just food for thought.

My hats off to you guys for persisting based on calculated risks. Just keep cool guys, do not let euphoria make you fodder for those pessimist to hammer. As for whoever is in Raider's army, ask him for a promotion!

Adamant, correct cd is not in the money, except after petronm hits 8.50. I dont love Petronm, although it could be somebody's wife, but when seeing the forest from the trees, I dont mind carrying some amount of calculated risk Like I say My personal view for petronm is 12 before 4th quarter report in feb 2018. Cd expires at that time too. There is no inkling of any influence that i wanna extend to anyone here, please.

Happy 888, i am only human. I cannot totally separate my emotion and rational mind. I am buying the Cd this few days ( Dont ever think I am a big player). I envisage (I say envisage becos you cannot get 100% info, nobody does) before Cd expires in 3rd week Feb 2018, that Petronm will be RM 12. But one snag that worries me is that Petron Malaysia carries out maintenance in October. Turnaround time, I cannot be sure.
On whether 9.4 is high, If it was my situation, I will be buying today and tomorrow (albeit slowly) so that you could achieve lower averages in your petronm portfolio. You bought earlier due to the confidence and investigative process, i assume. If you are a holder, just exercise patience. You are not holding stocks on an unfounded basis. You are holding Petronm.

Fund managers for institutional stocks are different from playmakers of penny stocks. Fund managers are flushed with bullets and time is definitely on their side. That is why not to T4 with institutional stocks, Your probability of success is much lower than if you are in penny stocks.

My 2 sens worth on Newbie and happy 888 issue: If you check the shareholding spread Petronm has only one single substantial block 73% held by Mayban nominees for Petron Intl ltd. There are no other substantial holders. 2nd biggest holder only holds about 1660 lots about 0.614%. That is why within the last few years or so you cannot find substantial shareholding transactions indicated for Petronm, becos there is none (If i am not mistaken min should be 6% to be substantial)
I cannot be sure who's the playmaker (buying and selling) but my guess is that it has to be associated to Mayban nominees. Put youself in Petron ltd shoes. Will you allow other unknown parties to manipulate your pledged shares, and place yourself at their mercy, whereas you are the 73% owner? The shares are at Mayban nominees. They are allowed to use, except not abuse.
That is why Petronm is thinly traded. No other strong holders.

I am buying the Cd within this period.

I am looking at Petronm hitting 12 before their Q4 being published in Feb 2018. However the expiry of Cd is also some time in the 3rd week of the same month. Actually within this 2 or 3 days is a good time to buy the Cd. It might seem far fetched but Petronm is such an enticing corporate animal. Hard to keep away from it.

Telmewhy, its is scary becos the PE is small. PE should be in the 20 to 50 region, then it is quite safe, because it reflects market goodwill showing that people want to own high PE stocks. Low PE is risky, becos might go lower, meaning people shy away from these stocks. This is one of the reverse price disposal concepts.

announcement: selling will now commence below 7.50. So please line up if you wanna buy. And please throw quickly. ASB is coming in the afternoon.

Woi you people who have sold, dont want to buy mlabs, M3 tech or palette? T4 can make money.

Depeche, but hope the winds dont blow off the refinery at Port Dickson. If not problem. Chinaman operations always catches fire, if not blown off by hurricane.

Pang 72, are you trying to break the bank or what by buying so much. Give others an opportunity also. You keep on queing, you block my buying effort. People wanna sell at 5.69 also cannot, becos you are blocking them.

WTF, i want it lower yet it is going higher. This is precisely what I mentioned yesterday. The price reversal disposal theory. The more you sell the higher the price will go up. I read about this but difficult to understand. They tried this at nigerian stocks, and it worked. They say it was due to some program buying by fund managers.

Don't worry, the chinaman from HRC will be interacting in this forum monthly, to provide 100% information. Raider and gang will be out of business. This is the best counter in bursa, no more uncertainties, info 100% accurate.

My friend from PNB called me up. He says ASB coming with 3 suitcases of shares to unload afterlunch. Size of suitcase unsure!

Depeche, what has a flower to do with oil?

Pang 72 you better stop buying, if not i will cut your queue.

Finish, this counter is a goner. I am waiting much lower. At 3.69, I think maybe i can get it at 6 O' clock after market closes.

Now I see 7.63. How can this be, I wanna buy at 3.67. I am in that queue now.

Am i seeing 5.79 or 7.59. I am not sure its fast.

Does the world end tomorrow? Does typhoon Harvey blow every day till eternity?

Ok, the stage is already set to satisfy the lust for selling. Go ahead, the playmaker is providing the buying opportunity at 5.69 now. So what are we waiting for? Queue to sell lower if you wanna exit fast! After all you think this is a conmen's counter, so sell and get out of it so that you dont even have to bother to listen to anymore crack spread,

Most of the selling today will be from the playmaker's 'fear factor' lots, people like you and me in this forum, and maybe few from minor but non substantial institutional holders. again we are not discussing Mlabs, Mtouche or Palette Multimedia. We are on the HRC INTERNATIONAL platform. This Chinaman, you can call him conmen whatsoever, but he damn has been in this business for ages. He has a global reputation in refining to uphold!

ASB between 22 and 24 th August in total only pared down their stockholdings about 500 lots only over 3 days. It was well absorbed. ASB prior to the last quarter result never did any selling before those 3 days. Most of the time ASB are privy to any disclosures as they are substantial shareholders. What they sold off is peanuts to them. Before 22 aug they have about 19800 lots, balance after selling is 19300 lots. If they wanted to sell they would have shaved off significant amounts if they are not satisfied with the chinaman's oil performance
BTW, by deductive logic ASB is not the market maker. The institutional playmaker is definitely the Chinaman;s associate as they hold 53%. You wanna meet the playmaker, go to RHB. My 2 sens worth does not go beyond this.
ASB will not be selling massively today. Funds just dont waste time monitoring the screen 24/7. If they want to sell big, they will do enbloc off -market trades.

I think at the most HRC in all probability will shed off only max 3% by the end of the day, about 24 sen. ASB will not be selling down. Institutional funds are there to stay. The results from HRC are unprecedented. The opportunities ahead looks very exciting and enticing for purchase. Between HRC and Petron, analogy wise they are like the Hartalega, Kossan and Top Gloves of the rubber glove industry.

Since people are so eager to sell, we wont stop them. No matter what you explain on the rational aspects and the future potential, it just wont penetrate the emotional wall. Since they wanna sell I will be happy to be the pied piper bringing them close to the cliff! I will stand firm at the edge and watch them jump off!.

That's the reason why we must buy penny stocks: Look at Palette multimedia from 7 sen to 14, 100% sen gain in a spate of few weeks. Dont have to bother about EPS, crack spread, maintenance shutdown, turnaround time. All these are uncertainties, causing confusion to stock buying. Stocks should be bought based on gut feel. If sucessful then we can be gung ho. No need to differentiate the trees from the forest.

Ah, this is what might happen. a reverse price disposal. How this relationship theory works is still in its infancy. Heard that tomorrow HRC is the test bed. They say that if this works, the more you sell HRC the price will even go higher. It will be interesting to watch.

I3 people got cheated by chinaman company. I3 people are malaysians and PNB is also malaysian. PNB is very upset becos of the "Satu Malaysia" movement being conned. PNB has told the chinaman previously to interact regularly with this i3 forum, to disclose issues of performance, no need to hide so that the people can make better decisions and not listen to "raider and company".. They agreed but they have not delivered their promises. I also hope tomorrow ASB release all their shareholdings. Let this counter go bonkers!

No amount of writing that i pen down is directed to any specific person. Your money is yours alone. What you wanna do with it is your business. Whether you buy or you sell or be rich or whatsoever, is not of my concern. But if you really need money because of some calamities, i will donate. I am not here to entice you or influence you. You are here by virtue of your own intentions and wishes, and should be responsible for your own decisions. Period!

For the next 111 trading days ASB is gonna sell down. They say chinaman bluffing. They have 19000 lots to sell before emptying the safe box. Average they sell per day is gonna be 170 lots. And they say everyday they wanna whack down the price by 8 sen. They are very upset becos the chinaman did not meet the expectations of the i3 members profit target, So watch-out! Margin call will be rampant.

Definitely they are in trouble, they wanna sell all and move over to penny stocks. Got more followers and easier to convince. Once HRC no more playmaker, ASB everyday will unload until it reaches 10 sen. That is what my friend at PNB says. From now on everyday is typhoon for HRC. Even those who can collect at 3.00 beware. You think it is cheap? They will whack down high and dry. After that Petron becomes 20 sen, Pet Dagang becomes 50 sen, Maybank becomes 60 sen, Sime Darby only 45 sen. Have fear, be very afraid! The real onslaught is here. You wont even have time to eat or shit!

If anyone wanna sell HRC, then do so, but later dont forget, buy MNC, now 8 sen, or M3 tech now 10 sen. Both got something brewing, If they move up 2 or 3 sen they will register about 20 to 30% capital appreciation. Maybe this will be more suitable and exciting. Dont need much analysis, becos not much to analyse by the way. So just sit and watch as they appreciate. When they will hit that TP, its not my call. Only god knows.

rojak mee, can i sell chendol beside you? I like your calculated optimism.

The confidence factor holding Petron shares is when you look at the shareholder spread, you will see that it is held by one single entity, about 73%. You could almost assume that the institutional play-maker either is associated or comes from there. Other holders are not significant. That is why you could never read about substantial shareholder share transactions other than the 73% holder, as far back as early 2016. There is no other substantial shareholder.
But on the negative side, the minor holders transactions will not be publicly viewed, becos it is deemed insignificant.

I wanted to view comments regarding HRC, and i am still trying to figure out whether my eyes are playing tricks on me. I hit my keyboard buttons for HRC yet i get into a forum discussing Mlabs, Mtouche, Palette multimedia. Then i saw raider's comments, which the crowds from Mlabs, Mtouche, Systech loathes reading. Raider, I think your computer keyboard is also playing tricks on you. You are trying to present your case to investors but you are being entangled with penny stocks audience. You've driven into the wrong lane.It doesn't jive with them. They are T4 people. You had better check your computer /laptop. I think you need to buy a new one! Same with me likewise.
Just my 2 sens worth. Raider, don't have to draw out the swords OK!.

Alex Foo, no worries you still can beat them anytime ASB is still there with 19 million shares. They are privy to any disclosures. If HRC is not up to it they wouldn't have disposed only about 500 lots/500,00 shares between the last Q report and the current Q report. Lucky thing ASB has not been reading and seeking advice from this forum!

start thinking like an institutional playmaker. For HRC you cannot perceive it like a syndicated penny stock playmaker. Sime Darby discharged about 50 mil quite significant for impairment in their report, and how much were they sniffed? Only 11 sen out of 9.00 share about 1.1% off. WCT reported significant profit reduction, and how much were they down? Roughly 0%. Go search for more references of price movements. Perhaps we are watching too much of M labs, M touche, and carrying it here. We are talking HRC here, or precisely the refinery previously called SHELL.
Prices go up worry and fear, prices go down, worry and fear. When neutral, no fear, but we dislike. So how?

Since I am already here, let me add my 2 sens worth: To say that the HRC share price will be bombed must be accompanied by investigative facts. In fact buying stocks require lots of underlying work, not mere hearsay. Note:
1) HRC is not an ABC pennystock. It is an institutional stock. Unlike us, institutions don't talk and think like us. Do you think institutions have same valuation concepts and perception like us? we hold just a few stocks and we start saying it is overvalued, should be RM 3.1, high NTA and whatsoever. Have you ever thought comparing the amount of money in your pocket with institutional coffers? Institutions still holding at current price, and do you think they are no- brainers?
2) Go check up the Annual report and see the institutional ownership and check the free float. On another note, no doubt institutions have pared down their holdings, but are there any reports of ceasing to be majority stakeholder. Buying and selling shares are quite normal for institutions.
3) Do you not think institutions have an average price of their stockholdings to protect? The institutional playmaker will ridiculously be an idiot if he allows prices to fall and provide the opportunity for others to buy at prices lower than his average. On how you wanna figure this out, you got to do lots of homework and observations. Realize that stocks are a zero sum game in a dog eat dog world. There is no apathy, sympathy or conscience.
4) Did HRC lose money or did not comply with the forum's expectation? Remember HRC themselves did not issue a profit target. Scan beyond your rat-hole and tell me how many institutional stock companies reported lower earnings and worse still losses. How many % of share price got shaved off. At the most 4%. Is it such a sin for them to retract to that level, and is that disastrous? How fast can HRC recover 4% if you noticed. Do not compare it to LCtitan becos that's another different situation and circumstance, which is not relevant here.

The problem has always been our misguided notion, our extrapolated expectations and our yearning for fast results. But most of all we bring here our misconception resulting from many years of dabbling with ABC penny stocks. Penny stocks and HRC is different, It seems similar becos both serve the same trajectory, up, down dormant/inactive. Period!

Again this is my 2 sen worth. No need to draw out the fangs or parangs if it is not in accordance to your wishes!

This is my take on the issue: On one hand raider, OTB and the others are being whacked and being accused of cheating. While you people ostracize them as alleged con-men, you should also be careful of what you say. You know the results are out already, yet you even aggravate the situation by stating lower valuations of less than 3.10. Do you know the implication of your statement this coming monday? You write to so call avoid people from being conned but this RM 3.10 statement is more damaging. Any sign of a bloodbath, and the weak and gullible holders will throw in the towel. Raider and company is not that dangerous, but when you are added into the line up it is disaster. You are a more inconsiderate hypocrite or perhaps you were created as one. Raider might be the devil, but you are satan in disguise masquerading as protector of investors. Readers, be very careful. Make decisions wisely. All these bruha-bruha could just be a a very cunning and structured collaborated scheme to distract HRC holders.
I dont have interest in HRC, but i was coincidentally reading this forum, and saw this whacking session going on. Like I say, perhaps all these people are in the same orchestrated group.

The question is when the blood spills from HRC on monday, can Petronm endure? My take is that at most both will shed another 2-3%. The good thing is that both have excellent intrinsic values when compared to most of the other thousand counters. How many co can generate such huge EPS? Try looking even at the CI counters, I think none. The problem has always been our notion and extrapolated expectations and we want results to be fast, whereas we are just standing on the sidelines with a few tickets in our hands. When either HRC or Petron will hit their TP';s only god knows. But at least it gives us calculated hopes rather than empty promises from unfounded hypes.

stockraider, tomorrow nothing goes up or down, very obsessed with the market.

Come on HRC!

I dont have interest in HRC. But i wanna see HRC get out of this rut. My take is that if HRC can endure this onslaught, then Petronm can move on.

Dont you all hear the drumbeat of an impending election? banks got whacked today. Or is it the beat of an erection? I cant say much for you lowprofileone, becos a lot has been said in this forum, which can guide your decisions. I have a friend who visits petron corp philippines regularly: He says except that Petron phili do not have exploration, but refinery and retail wise they are even bigger and more experienced than Petronas. Just my take!