Posted by andyhard > 2016-12-27 19:24 | Report Abuse

Hi，

A few of the stocks you mentioned was actually in my portfolio for investment and trading (some stocks I just treat as trading as their fundamental wise I am not familiar with).

Just a bit curious, on the way you drew the rounding and target price. Have you ever trade on the stocks you mentioned? I am here to learn from you not other purpose. I am a technical guy as well..and I did use it for my investment. I am more to spot a trend...I don't do daily trade.

I am sorry to say that personally I feel drawing a pattern and trend line is a bit virtual as the same person on same chart can draw the trend line with different angle each time.

Posted by Ming Jong Tey > 2016-12-27 21:49 | Report Abuse

Hi Andyhard, I am vested in JHM & YongTai-WA. The other 3 still pending. The patterns emerged for stocks the mentioned here definitely for swing / position trading, not for day trade.

You are right. Charting is an art. Different people might spot different patterns and draw different angle for the trendline.

If I were to do the charting on JHM 3 months later, the chart will be similar, unless some trendlines are no longer valid (i.e. break down from the trendline), I might need to draw a few more if appropriate...Not sure if this is what you are referring to?

For me, I separate trading and investment as the money management is totally different...

If I trade based on chart analysis, the most important thing for me is to set stop loss and position size based on the chart. I am not too picky on how to project the target price as there are many ways to do it.

Fibo fanatic might prefer to use multiple Fibo ratio to form the target X. Hence, we could have different target price for the same pattern.

Posted by andyhard > 2016-12-28 12:31 | Report Abuse

Hi Ming Jong,

Thanks for your information. I totally agree with you the management of trading and investment is different. From what you explain to me, I understand this is the technical analysis commonly used in market.

Just to share with you, I used more on volume and spread. However, I did modify in a way that will give me more confidence on holding mid term (3 months to 6 months) especially when investing. Johotin, I bought around 20 sen for the warrants just about 3 months ago. JHm I bought around 55 sen on March this year and sold during end of Aug at 1.38. This are the fundamental stocks that I bought and I use technical for entry/exit that shorten my waiting time. You may see my previous comments.

Just to understand are you purely based on pattern to judge the stock trend ?

Posted by Ming Jong Tey > 2016-12-28 13:14 | Report Abuse

Hi Andyhard,

Did you mean volume spread analysis (Wyckoff method)? Anyway, I know a lot of people combine fundamental and technical just like yourself.

For stock trend, it goes back to the fundamental 101, higher high and higher low, lol...

I trade mainly on Support / resistance, trendline, pattern, price action and volume. Sometimes, I do use indicators (like RSI) to spot for divergence.

Posted by andyhard > 2016-12-28 15:05 | Report Abuse

Hi Ming Jong,

Yes, the VSA is a triggering method for me to dig deeper into it. I find that VSA also being too short term. In fact, noise is higher in short term. Thus, I did modify it and use for being mid and long term investment. I find that it is quite useful.

A lot of breakout could be fake or a trap. If we do not analyse the chart in an overall view, it will always being trapped and sometimes stop loss is not fast enough as the drop could be very significant like what happened in Gadang and Mycron. Thus, this is the reason I have modified based on VSA.

ANyhow, any method is a good mehod if it works for you to become profit. I am glad you share your knowledge with me..

Posted by Ming Jong Tey > 2016-12-28 18:06 | Report Abuse

Thanks for sharing, Andyhard.

Yup. There are quite a few nitty gritty to look into when trading breakout to avoid fake out...

Although trading on charts, I will often avoid trading earning announcement to prevent the gap.

What's your favourite book on VSA? Keen to find out more :)

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