Posted by king36 > 2018-11-12 12:43 | Report Abuse

Agreed.
Nobody can stop the tide.
It is rising for China.
Let US go and fight a few more wars and the tide will rise even faster for China.

Posted by Jon Choivo > 2018-11-12 12:48 | Report Abuse

China exports way more to the US than the US does to china.

That's why there is such a huge trade deficit for US. US sells nothing really to the 1.4bil market (soy bean and other agriculture stuff maybe), while they buy alot from that market.

China will buckle and compromise. You want bet?

Posted by Icon8888 > 2018-11-12 12:54 | Report Abuse

USD500 billion export to US is 4% of China GDP of USD12 trillion

Losing it is inconvenient, but hardly the end of the world

Buckle ? What buckle ?

Posted by value88 > 2018-11-12 13:01 | Report Abuse

I give a "like" because the author has his independent opinion on the future direction of US-China trade war and supported with reasons.
I do not know whether the US-China trade war will turn out to be like what the author claims. More important thing is I see the systematic and rational thinking process.

Posted by Invest_Sensibly > 2018-11-12 13:06 | Report Abuse

Aikon (mau tidur), are you doing ok lately?

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 13:11 | Report Abuse

This Jon so pro America?

no good to back a loser......

because, no matter how this thing develops, America will be the loser.

The best strategy for America, for the world was the one under Obama.....ie.....managing the most important bilateral relationship in the world........

now...its a goner...its a lose - lose strategy.....And China is not going to kow tow....no way is China going to kow tow.....and China has resilience, China has options, China is united, China has all round support.......

ps...a bit of warning.....this anti China thing has racists elements as well as nationalists elements and both Democrat and Republican support......and is not going away just like that.............the author is too optimistic and based his conclusions on what is logical.....and things happen based on emotions just as often as based on logical brain..........

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 13:21 | Report Abuse

China has the nuclear option. China can make the American companies in China suffer.......don't make China consider the nuclear option.........lol.....

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 13:22 | Report Abuse

For America....this is just an unwinnable war......zero chance for Americans.....

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 13:25 | Report Abuse

worse than Iraq, worse than Afghanistan, worse than Vietnam......but America has a talent for getting themselves in unwinnable wars.........

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 13:29 | Report Abuse

and Jack Ma is right..... China is prepared ( and preparing) for a 20 years war with America.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 13:32 | Report Abuse

I don't think the CCP is prepared to kow tow to any foreign power.....that is just not CCP DNA...not after what happened from 1820 to 1945......

Posted by teareader818 > 2018-11-12 15:00 | Report Abuse

So much hot air. As long as USD is the reserve currency in the world, US will dictate world trade. US can always print money to accommodate trade deficits, while other countries including China can't. So how to compete? However, US is politically on the decline. China will eventually be the most powerful country in the world but ONLY AFTER the US self destructs.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 15:25 | Report Abuse

reader...so when will China be able to say to Americans......sorry , u need yuan to buy stuffs from us?

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 16:44 | Report Abuse

key point..... don't expect financial markets to give u the lead

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 16:46 | Report Abuse

financial markets are short term biased, are selfish, self preservation bias, emotional

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 16:48 | Report Abuse

me? I think financial markets are operating on hope, operating on blind faith

Posted by Jon Choivo > 2018-11-12 16:50 | Report Abuse

China total trade worldwide is USD3.9 trillion. Or about 30% of GDP. 30% not so much also hor ;). US is easily 14% of that.

US is by far the largest partner. Double that of the second, ie japan.

You cannot just whack a figure there and say its low effect, you need to consider second and third order effects.

If you study economic history, it takes very very little quantitatively to cause a recession, espeacially given the debt of each countries.

Go read Ray Dalio - A Template for understanding big debt crises.

And in china, recession is not just unthinkable, but cannot even consider. Just a drop in growth, considering the sheer about of overcapacity there, they will call mother father.

Now china SME's and manufacturing all call mother call father.

XJP will buckle. He will need to have china stop acting like samseng little brother. He will need to stop all the corporate episionage going on, and the unfair trade practices.

Wrote more here.
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/PilosopoCapital/179618.jsp

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Icon8888 USD500 billion export to US is 4% of China GDP of USD12 trillion

Losing it is inconvenient, but hardly the end of the world

Buckle ? What buckle ?
12/11/2018 12:54

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 16:59 | Report Abuse

jon...you are fed American propaganda....and u still don't know any thing.....

If u want to know about China, u should see from CCTV point of view....not from CNN or worse Fox news.

Posted by Shinnzaii > 2018-11-12 17:19 | Report Abuse

Imagine how much US loss due to tourism from China to US...

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 17:24 | Report Abuse

Trump says win is easy....I say Trump is an idiot.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 17:25 | Report Abuse

Posted by Winter Is Over > Nov 12, 2018 05:23 PM | Report Abuse

Answer : You don't have to watch CCTV anymore! Most of mainstream media and news from internet are bought by CCP! China propaganda thriving nowadays! Even Hollywood actors submit to great Xi!===============


good...this is warm up for the future.

Posted by Jon Choivo > 2018-11-12 17:27 | Report Abuse

I think qqq3 is idiot wor. Hahaha

People thought he was an idiot when handling NK too :)

Trump, you cannot listen to what he say, you need to see what he do.

This man talk like idiot, because in his entire life, he never needed to explain himself, or make sense, because he never had a boss. He was always in a position where people need to understand him, not the other way round.

For the USA, he is one of the best presidents they can hope for.


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Posted by qqq3 > Nov 12, 2018 05:24 PM | Report Abuse

Trump says win is easy....I say Trump is an idiot.

Posted by pussycats > 2018-11-12 17:30 | Report Abuse

Icons888 Sifu,
This is a poker game (US vs China).
See who blink their eyes first...
see whic country can endure pain the longest.

Posted by Fabien Extraordinaire > 2018-11-12 17:33 | Report Abuse

China holds more than 1 trillion US treasuries. This is their triumph card.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2018-11-12 17:37 | Report Abuse

What kok you talking ? The entire World imposed tariff on china or only US imposed tariff on china ?

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Jon Choivo China total trade worldwide is USD3.9 trillion. Or about 30% of GDP. 30% not so much also hor ;). US is easily 14% of that.

Posted by teareader818 > 2018-11-12 17:43 | Report Abuse

Jon you are right on Trump. One important result in the latest midterm election is that he has strengthened his hold on the Senate, where laws has to be passed. The Democrats can try all they can but they need a Senate majority to pass laws.

Posted by khoo > 2018-11-12 17:43 | Report Abuse

Winning a Battle, Losing the War

Posted by speakup > 2018-11-12 17:46 | Report Abuse

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/451534
Sleep, just admit sleep lah.
Afterall this is Malaysia Baru "transparency" mah
Nothing to hide mah.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 17:48 | Report Abuse

Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, formally United States Tariff Act of 1930, also called Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act, U.S. legislation (June 17, 1930) that raised import duties to protect American businesses and farmers, adding considerable strain to the international economic climate of the Great Depression.


that is a certainty and equally certain is the outcome.....

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 17:49 | Report Abuse

jon...u can go hero worship that idiot....do it before he becomes more hated than Nixon ( by Americans themselves).......

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 17:51 | Report Abuse

who wants to bet with me? I say this war will go the full distance.........

Posted by chinaman > 2018-11-12 17:54 | Report Abuse

Trade deficit bcs US don't have superior products to offer to china. You can't force china to support Boeing US when china like Airbus jets ma. look at Boeing crash record. wakaka

Posted by pussycats > 2018-11-12 18:45 | Report Abuse

If everything failed, US will launch war against China, since US still has military upper hand. Bad for the world, if this scenario played out...

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 18:52 | Report Abuse

American wants to sanction Iran and then expect 7 billion people to join them and if not, they will also punish your country.....

I don't think we need such bullies.

Posted by pussycats > 2018-11-12 18:56 | Report Abuse

So, between the samseng US & Ah Long China, whic one do we prefer???
I think, I prefer Ah Long China...at least we hv money to spend... kikiki

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 19:03 | Report Abuse

winter is never over for you...

.me? I think China rising is perfectly ok by me.....the faster the better.

Posted by pussycats > 2018-11-12 19:26 | Report Abuse

Chinese Communists are hard working but Americans are more creative...who will win.

In the end, creativity will make a nation who embrace it wins hands down.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 19:28 | Report Abuse

in future all exciting inventions/ technologies all will come from China.....

America is number only for weapons, bombs, fast food and Goldman Sach scandals.

Posted by king36 > 2018-11-12 19:54 | Report Abuse

Trump's trade war has turned China away from buying American oil & gas.
Next time when they come around to ask China to buy oil & gas, China should say No problem, we will pay you in Yuan......
Killing many birds with one shot.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2018-11-12 20:46 | Report Abuse

fortunebullz please remember to take medicine

Posted by xifolon > 2018-11-12 20:57 | Report Abuse

Tis Icon8888 tokok alot but vry stupid....

Posted by Icon8888 > Nov 12, 2018 05:37 PM | Report Abuse

What kok you talking ? The entire World imposed tariff on china or only US imposed tariff on china ?

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Jon Choivo China total trade worldwide is USD3.9 trillion. Or about 30% of GDP. 30% not so much also hor ;). US is easily 14% of that

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-12 21:45 | Report Abuse

one word of advice...people says market is a discounting machine....markets can tell u the future 6 months ahead....

I say BS to such nonsense.

markets cannot tell the future more than my cat.....market players have tunnel vision, short sighted ....and generally lousy.

Posted by hollandking > 2018-11-12 21:47 | Report Abuse

market cannot tell, is just the back and forth directions going on, slowly adjusting before reaching its destination.

Posted by hollandking > 2018-11-12 21:50 | Report Abuse

is a matter of time before china excel in everthing. Is very simple, massive population, probability of geniuses appearing much higher, competitive environment, big companies exist in china, funds etc. Money can buy techs. So is just a matter of time before china surpasses US almost all fields.

Posted by hollandking > 2018-11-12 22:36 | Report Abuse

actually what Trump doing to China may seem bad for china, maybe in short term yes, but it is teaching china not to be dependend on US, so China will need to evolve from there.

Posted by teareader818 > 2018-11-12 23:05 | Report Abuse

Hollandking, we share the same views. Any shortfall in creative ideas, just hack (steal) into it and improve on it.

Posted by Koon Bee > 2018-11-13 00:53 | Report Abuse

Oil will hit usd 130 per barrel. Hehe

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-11-13 01:10 | Report Abuse

Trump want to win? in his dream la....

Posted by geary > 2018-11-13 01:55 | Report Abuse

Ha...21st Century belongs to China...this is fated...so many great human beings are born in China during this Century...US is declining...just like the British Empire declined during the 19th Century... History will repeat itself...China will be like the past glorious Tang Dynasty...!!!

Posted by supersaiyan3 > 2018-11-13 03:21 | Report Abuse

Jon Choivo is brilliant.

I wonder why there are still people supporting thieves. They supported ah Jib and now the communist regime??

In fact XJP is surrendering due to too many Chinese companies cry dad cry mom. (the past 6 months the Communist has been trying to expropriate largest companies, really scary). XJP already made a phone call to Trump and said he will compromise. China already ordered measures to protect intellectual property. In the coming meeting, China will show more bona fide. The trade war is already ending. Many thanks to Trump, he has just made Chinese more civilize.