what to read, its so clear already, you dont need to do the math when the obvious is just in just in front of you, no hope this one counter, give up already, too much speculation only gimmic made by ppl who stuck with this counter , funny
Can Sona management kindly give us in simple english, combining CS and PAG, exactly how many shares do they have in total? I have read the announcements but it doesn't make things any clearer for me.
Apologies just read the bursa disclosure. Yes, registered holder is CS since they are the broker holding on behalf of the client i.e. PAG. Client gives instructions to CS to vote. Strictly, PAG has no voting system rights since rights remain with the registered shareholder CS, but a beneficiary they will instruct CS to vote. Same same if you Malaysian client holding on margin. Nothing new. VOTE YES?
or just dun understand before jumping into conclusions...sigh
CS holds shares FOR pag. CS is direct shareholder, pag is indirect shareholder. CS CAN vote and pag CANNOT vote. (but since pag is the beneficiary...we assume pag is the BOSS and controls CS to vote)
heres the update:
total indirect sona shares owned by pag = 15.353% its all held thru 3rd party
CS holds 13.027% for pag(pag is beneficiary) Deutsche bank holds 2.33% for pag(pag is beneficiary)
HENCE WE ASSUME PAG DECIDES TO VOTE NO(ON A WORST CASE BASIS) PAG CAN SAY NO RIGHT?
sona shareholders = 100% minus Platinum Autumn 20%(the management of sona) no right to vote = left 80% of us holding sona shares to vote.
if pag says no....what is their percentage int his 80% ???? =15.353/80 = 19.2%(still below the 25% rejection criteria)
We can generally categorize 3 types of Investors in Sona Investors who only hold warrants :There is no doubt they like the QA to be approved in the forthcoming EGM so that they don't lose all the money invested. However they don't have voting rights.
Investors who hold equal amount of Sona and Sona Warrant. These investors generally like the QA to be approved so that their warrant positions are protected. The chances for them to make money is good if the asset is good and oil recovers going forward.
Investors who only hold Sona Shares. Theses investors know that once the QA is approved, their investments are no more guaranteed and the intrinsic value of their shares will drop immediately from about 48 sen to about 38 sen. At what price Sona shares will be traded immediately after approval is anybody's guess. Capital distribution will only come at a later stage after QA approved.
BOD/Management of Sona keep telling shareholders they are buying the asset at the bottom of the oil cycle and it is a good buy. But behind the back of the prudent Investors, they will wonder if the asset is good, the timing is good, why are the directors not buying the shares from the open market to support Sona and to instill confidence of the Investors in Sona.
If Sona shares are not traded above 48 sen before EGM it is going to be very challenging for the BOD to get the QA approved at the EGM.
more than 25 % say no, QA failed. 25% here is not base on 80% of total sona shares....it is calculated base on the total voting shares , those who are not voting , their shares will not be counted for in percentage count.....
Important for all SONA holders of warrants..................confirmation from Sona is if the voting deals for the QA goes through..........all the warrants holders that exercise the warrant into mother shares are entitle for the 8 sen capital return.
1. those who are not shareholders are making more noises than shareholders, LOL
2. CS is not the beneficiary owner, directive come from PA. as simple as you pledged shares to bank, so voting right came from who, you or the bank?? LOL - SRP question, pls
3. Let the shareholders decide on the QA, no need to rerun your rationales, don't be a smart alex
yes cruise.....PAG holding are non voting rights......so yield investors is out of question.
further i have confirmation from Sona that any warrant holders that exercise the warrant to mother after the QA is approved are entitle to the 8 sen capital repayment.
Hopefully this is true.......as at point of writing this, i re send another confirmation email to them.....pending reply.
1) Warrant holders are not eligible for 8 sen capital repayment, only mother shares are. You need to EXERCISE your warrants to Mother share by paying 30sen, then you are holding mother shares which is eligible for capital repayment. Exercise option is only available IF QA is PASS.
2) Just like any shareholders, PAG is always a LEGITIMATE SHAREHOLDER who can VOTE YES OR NO. Paying multimillions Ringgit, and no right to vote? What a joke from you all.
3) If the mother share is still under distress, I'm sure a lot of major shareholders want the guarantee of 48.5 sen instead of the NON Guarantee float of share price (NTA 38sen).
Jangan risau, the new deals came out after heavy/long discussions with major shareholders to justify them to vote yes. Now ikan bilis stop merapu, hanya beli beli anak nanti menyesal!
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Posted by xiongyan > 2016-04-14 21:15 | Report Abuse
After opce oil will break 45 ...straigh go ahead 50 more..