Posted by Intelligent Investor > 2015-06-07 10:51 | Report Abuse

The question for the debate is "Does fundamental value investing not work? " But, it is not about "FA or FA+TA+Trend+Margin work better?"

I would like to share the wisdom from few FA gurus to the i3investors. And, you should able to provide the answer for the question.

We think the very term 'value investing' is redundant. What is 'investing' if it is not the act of seeking value at least sufficient to justify the amount paid? Consciously paying more for a stock than its calculated value - in the hope that it can soon be sold for a still-higher price - should be labelled speculation (which is neither illegal, immoral nor - in our view - financially fattening). - Warren Buffett

All intelligent investing is value investing - acquiring more than you are paying for. You must value the business in order to value the stock. - Charlie Munger

The focus of most investors differs from that of value investors. Most investors are primarily oriented toward return, how much they can make and pay little attention to risk, how much they can lose. - Seth Klarman

To thrive as a value investor you have to risk being called a dummy from time to time. - Christopher H. Browne

Posted by Fat Cat Tim Buddy > 2015-06-07 10:56 | Report Abuse

nothing will work if dumb people practice it

Posted by Sunkist118 > 2015-06-07 11:01 | Report Abuse

Sir OTB is no 3 in the competition lor. Must ask the no 1 and no 2 in the competition. If 1 and 2 also use mostly TA we know answer d.

Posted by Ooi Teik Bee > 2015-06-07 11:33 |

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Posted by Fat Cat Tim Buddy > 2015-06-07 11:46 |

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Posted by rchi > 2015-06-07 11:58 | Report Abuse

fat cat u r funny :)
anyway i think both ta n fa works,ta is for 'sprinters' n fa for 'marathoners'.
i combine both ta n fa n this yr till now i hv 2 counters achieving over 100% return in less than a month ie teoseng wa n ewein wa recently (can go check my previous posts).
if not for ta i would not hv spotted the 2 if not for fa i would not hv held them long enuf.
i m talking abt real life application of ta n fa.

Posted by Probability > 2015-06-07 12:04 | Report Abuse

just want to say that...its perfectly natural that in any part of discussion to have an 'uneasy' feeling...as its about differing opinions.
No one can smile when another has a differing view point which they cant seem to convince as per their opinion. But..its a necessary to approach it ...so that everyone can get at least a 'glimpse' of the truth... and its possible the 'truth' outcome may be something different than both of the original argument points...

so be cool and happy as long as we are rational human beings expressing what we think is right sincerely...with the expectations 'outcome' /results is not in our hands. Just give up on that part.

We have 'nothing2fear'...may be 'a little bugis blood' is good!..
he he he.. and i would encourage debate in a healthy 'easy' manner..

Look at Dr. M..who debates in a smiling friendly manner..with a physical strength of 6 year old

Posted by rchi > 2015-06-07 12:06 | Report Abuse

in my eyes both OTB n KC are very good,i did learn something frm them both.

Posted by Sunkist118 > 2015-06-07 12:12 | Report Abuse

Ks55, LKY was arrogant, Tesla was arrogant, So is Edison, Mahahtir also arrogant, Donald Trump very arrogant and the list goes on and on. But wht has arrogance got to do with FA vs TA

Posted by CFTrader > 2015-06-07 12:36 | Report Abuse

Pro TA and pro FA side is juat like religion extremist.

Onoy their practice is correct . Others ? Unacceptable. Wrong.

Posted by optimuss1 > 2015-06-07 13:16 | Report Abuse

Agree. why top 2 keep quiet? The rest of competitors(Ooi TB, fortunebullz, Icon8888, tj hldg, etc) keep making noise like they are the one leading.

Posted by Sunkist118 > Jun 7, 2015 11:01 AM | Report Abuse
Sir OTB is no 3 in the competition lor. Must ask the no 1 and no 2 in the competition. If 1 and 2 also use mostly TA we know answer d.

Posted by AhSeng > 2015-06-07 13:30 | Report Abuse

optimuss1 , where and when my bro tj making noise ? show me the link or you mean in his house itchy itchy ?

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-06-07 13:44 | Report Abuse

I don't know about top 1,2,3,4,5,6....

The only thing I know is that Optimus does not even have the guts to participate.

Smart also. because if he participates, he will in top 2...... From the bottom.

Wakakakaka

Posted by F22Raptor > 2015-06-07 13:54 | Report Abuse

Optimus why have time to tokok dun dare challenge Icon?
Got balls or not opti wakakakaka.

Posted by optimuss1 > 2015-06-07 14:00 | Report Abuse

AhSeng yes in his house itchy-itchy. Sorry I miss out KC Chong keep saying he is good but never take part. Anyone know why?

Posted by optimuss1 > 2015-06-07 14:02 | Report Abuse

Perhaps we should go and interview top 2 rather than talk cock here.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-06-07 14:04 | Report Abuse

Because KC don't want to give moron like u a chance to attack him

Posted by AhSeng > 2015-06-07 14:10 | Report Abuse

i see optimuss , tj is good in fifo and i think is the best in fifo in i3 , but as so far i m follow him , i never see him boost himself like many ,in his itchy hse or else where and is quite an honest person , share what he feel without hiding and seldom care about other feeling as long as he thought he is right . that the reason i salute him . thanks and that just my feeling , and pls dont visit itchy itchy if you dont like his style .

Posted by Probability > 2015-06-07 14:14 | Report Abuse

usually the issues with debates on any topic is that...

1.) People dont even define the exact point they are arguing in the first place...people assume and simply hantam...

2.) The quality opinions can get drowned by rains of poor quality statements/invalid/candies...to an extent that the outcome of the debates gets nowhere..:(...
(after all thats how voting system works...and majority get easily convinced by some 'candies' before voting...and they dont realize they will be suffering from diabetes later..actually some will never realize).

my conclusion is sometimes we have to give up the fact we are arguing...as the way the world works - including neurons in our brain is based on 'voting strength'...quite less dependent on the validity of the argument/logic...but simply by:

- the frequency of assertion ,
- simplicity of the opinion,
- and feelings of assurance they provide by their confidence
- plus the prior 'conditioning' of ones own mind....

the latter inputs can easily be provide by con artist..politicians...and religious ulama. Thats why u can see in country like syria fighting to kill another of their own blood lines...simply due to difference in belief...though this may sound completely illogical for some.

Some religion had even suppressed the basic questioning by logic on their beliefs...so the neurons have no chance of thinking out of the box.

atleast i3 is preventing the suppression scenario above - how reliefed i am! :)

from: 'just a neuron trying to assert'

Posted by F22Raptor > 2015-06-07 14:14 |

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Posted by fortunebullz > 2015-06-07 14:16 | Report Abuse

Posted by optimuss1 > Jun 7, 2015 01:16 PM | Report Abuse

Agree. why top 2 keep quiet? The rest of competitors(Ooi TB, fortunebullz, Icon8888, tj hldg, etc) keep making noise like they are the one leading.

Answer : My bro! I think you are making the most noise without ever competing! Hiding behind different id to attack me is so un brotherly!

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-06-07 14:22 | Report Abuse

Fortunebullz, He is not your bro lah. Stop pretending that he will one day be nice to you. He is a vicious person that don't know how to handle interpersonal relationship

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-06-07 14:24 | Report Abuse

Grow some backbones, don't always try to accommodate him.

Posted by fortunebullz > 2015-06-07 14:25 | Report Abuse

Posted by Icon8888 > Jun 7, 2015 02:22 PM | Report Abuse

Fortunebullz, He is not your bro lah. Stop pretending that he will one day be nice to you. He is a vicious person that don't know how to handle interpersonal relationship

Answer : Icon! Optimus used to praise me but I fook him for making personal attack on you! I am in non quarrel mode for the whole 2015!

Posted by fortunebullz > 2015-06-07 14:27 | Report Abuse

Posted by Icon8888 > Jun 7, 2015 02:24 PM | Report Abuse

Grow some backbones, don't always try to accommodate him

Answer : I prefer to let the toothless doggies attack! I learn from Najib!

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-06-07 14:33 | Report Abuse

Not trying to attack u

you are a nice guy. I am sad to see you get intimidated by him and always try to pacify him

In my opinion, no need so nice to him. Just whack him when he is rude.

Ha ha

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2015-06-07 14:34 | Report Abuse

Dear all handsome powerful Icon8888, fortunebullz, F22Raptor, Ah Seng, opstimuss1 and ks55

sorry! out topic a bit.....

Can I ask whether we should settle the Majlis Perbandaran Petaling Jaya saman within 14 days? I received the surat macam wanna catch me to court..............

I ask many peoples, now is 50%-50% some say must pay because they already link to JPJ....some say 2 terms MPPJ will change contractor...

Any idea from all handsome men here???

Thanks......
newbie in saman sector(new to KL/Selangor)

Posted by fortunebullz > 2015-06-07 14:37 | Report Abuse

Duit! Basically I just ignore them! How many haul to court! How many blacklisted through JPJ! But I do pay once discounts are offered! Wink wink!

Posted by Icon8888 > 2015-06-07 14:37 | Report Abuse

Duit for Christ sake, go and settle the summon lah. It only cost 0.0000000001% of what u make from the market every week

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2015-06-07 14:40 | Report Abuse

fortunebullz and Icon8888...

I got two saman for now.... Usually I jarang kena saman and ponteng SAMAN.... but now seem like will link to JPJ.....

really must pay ar????? cannot BET luck ar?

Posted by fortunebullz > 2015-06-07 14:42 | Report Abuse

Duit! Better check with JPJ! Heard this tactic for years!

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2015-06-07 14:44 | Report Abuse

ohhhhhh OK... fortune and Icon....

think will settle it.... I scared they come n tow my Proton Wira Warna Dark Blue Tahun 12.

Later I will cry no tears..................

thanks for all valuable advise..... appreciate it.

you two reply at the same time 02:37pm... As a professional, I advise both of you buy RM150 BIG and RM150 SMAll kuda or damacai or magnum 0237............. see tonight can kena BIG bo?????

Posted by fortunebullz > 2015-06-07 14:46 | Report Abuse

Duit! Thanks for the tip! Heading to Dursa(4D bursa) now!

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2015-06-07 14:48 | Report Abuse

wakakakaka......U use ur own fortune and I support U with "duit"...

tonight I wanna count ur money....... hope U make BIG

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2015-06-07 14:48 | Report Abuse

fortune and Icon....

if U guys make BIG from DURSA please treat me 1 claypot curry fish... + sugar cane drink

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2015-06-07 14:56 | Report Abuse

Fortunebullz and Icon8888,

Please received my 0237 analysis. Done qualitative analysis for U all...

Happy BETTING!

http://huataah.com/magnum/4d/analysis/IBet/details/0237
http://www.4dmanager.com/statistics?no=0237

Posted by Ooi Teik Bee > 2015-06-07 15:48 | Report Abuse

Posted by optimuss1 > Jun 7, 2015 01:16 PM | Report Abuse

Agree. why top 2 keep quiet? The rest of competitors(Ooi TB, fortunebullz, Icon8888, tj hldg, etc) keep making noise like they are the one leading.

Ans : For the week ended 5/6/2015, I am the champion. Please check yourself. Get your fact right before you talk.

Posted by talkcock > 2015-06-07 16:19 | Report Abuse

When is the day this game end ?05-06-2015 ?what if u drop out from top 10 end of the year ?don't say won't happen now , let time prove it , only half way now .
BTW optimuss please check the date and price talk cock bull pick his counter.

Posted by CCCL > 2015-06-07 16:27 | Report Abuse

OTB stocks ride on the strength of USD. Last week gains on Hevea-wb, Pohuat and Prlexus. Most likely can be top 3.

Posted by F22Raptor > 2015-06-07 16:36 | Report Abuse

OTB knows how to capitalize on previaling circumstances to select his stocks n in this case the strengthening USD vs MYR for yr 2015 given the high probability of US raising interest rate.
This is market wisdom.OTB is not pure TA,he is better than that.

Posted by tjhldg > 2015-06-07 18:17 | Report Abuse

Wawawawawaaaaaa .... Pening

Posted by tjhldg > 2015-06-07 18:24 | Report Abuse

Ya .. OTB is not purely base on TA , he is good and know the market theme since start of 2015 , just me won't think this export oriented esp.in sunset furniture industry can last more than 2 quarter .. Seem he is right till now :)
Bb55 ..too heavy punt on 1 counter in the game .. Just can say is wish him good luck if in actual trading /investing do like that .

Posted by rchi > 2015-06-07 18:28 | Report Abuse

hi bro hahaha lang kong na lang pun kong la,i3 a bit boring now ramai disappear liao either sideline or burnt,kesian la.

Posted by rchi > 2015-06-07 18:30 | Report Abuse

f22 you sound good if free drop by itchy2 kaki n hv fun wth us.

Posted by tjhldg > 2015-06-07 18:34 | Report Abuse

Hahahahahhaha ... Bro ... Ya ... Bo sui la market now ... So many ma chiat pa bo su cho lo ...Hahahaha
Many points here good aeh ... Happy to read it .. Nothing wrong for u to use fa or ta or mix ...as long as u can beat Mr market and lead a good life ma OK Liao lo ... Don't need to condemn ka look down ka ,compare ka on those pakai different method from u aeh ... Paiseh talk here la .. Nanti orang cakap I boost pula .. Hahahahah .. Have a nice day to u and all

Posted by rchi > 2015-06-07 18:35 | Report Abuse

ya bro i more happy at itchy2 hahaha.

Posted by Sunkist118 > 2015-06-07 18:42 | Report Abuse

Mia chai market Kong will start moving becoz Dr M winning on last Friday. He brave and even got10minutes. If winning mean 1Mdb problem can be contain lor in perception losing, 1Mdb problem may continue to play tong tin game where one creditor debt will pass on to next. They say soon HOR 1Mdb can issue more bond to bet on whether it can reduce the debt ratio ...

Posted by fortunebullz > 2015-06-07 18:47 | Report Abuse

Posted by duitKWSPkita > Jun 7, 2015 02:56 PM | Report Abuse

Fortunebullz and Icon8888,

Please received my 0237 analysis. Done qualitative analysis for U all...

Happy BETTING!

http://huataah.com/magnum/4d/analysis/IBet/details/0237
http://www.4dmanager.com/statistics?no=0237

Answer : Duit! Wow! Not only you are good in bursa but also in Dursa!

Posted by rchi > 2015-06-07 18:50 | Report Abuse

ya ka?1MDB wanna issue junk bonds ka?who is gonna subscribe?
mkt is not only abt 1MDB,wait for Q2 GDP in early August then u will know the destuctive power of gst..n go check 10 yr US tresury bond yield..n ringgit vs USD rate to name only a few.

Posted by F22Raptor > 2015-06-07 20:05 | Report Abuse

Hi rchi,tks for the invitation will do.