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21 comment(s). Last comment by probability 2016-11-29 11:50

probability

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Posted by probability > 2016-11-24 14:02 | Report Abuse

Yistock...could there be another 'invisible - unreported' Segment which accounts the difference between Segment Profit & Reported PAT for Q2 & Q3?

This is probably like the middle man who takes the stakes between inter-segment sales or the unrealized transactions? Anyway...its just a 2 cents opinion from a non-accounting person..:(

paperplane2016

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Posted by paperplane2016 > 2016-11-24 14:02 | Report Abuse

Yistock, also cant tally........
PBT is apa+apa.

YiStock

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Posted by YiStock > 2016-11-24 14:09 | Report Abuse

Probablity, all segment item included. Thats why report figures and my figures is correct. Just don't know what is this special invisible item.

paperplane2016

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Posted by paperplane2016 > 2016-11-24 14:15 | Report Abuse

is there inter-subsidiary related party trades not

YiStock

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Posted by YiStock > 2016-11-24 14:16 | Report Abuse

If so, it will be reported in special item or include in segment reporting i believe.

Posted by Koay Yi Chuan > 2016-11-24 15:09 | Report Abuse

You are assuming segment profit is operating profit? Why can't segment profit reported be PAT for each segment?

YiStock

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Posted by YiStock > 2016-11-24 15:14 | Report Abuse

Mr koay, my headache now is whether there is any " invisible item" that justify the high PAT for Q3. (Assumming this is johotin routine practice where segment profit = PAT)

YiStock

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Posted by YiStock > 2016-11-24 15:17 | Report Abuse

A B & C scenario like all different

fangyew

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Posted by fangyew > 2016-11-24 15:38 | Report Abuse

what you want?

fangyew

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Posted by fangyew > 2016-11-24 15:55 | Report Abuse

magic!

moneySIFU

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Posted by moneySIFU > 2016-11-24 15:59 | Report Abuse

interesting, will read tonight

probability

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Posted by probability > 2016-11-24 16:01 | Report Abuse

$$-sifu....please do look into this...
your valuable inputs are highly appreciated! :)

Posted by Koay Yi Chuan > 2016-11-24 16:21 | Report Abuse

Ok. I'll join in to crack my head :p

paperplane2016

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Posted by paperplane2016 > 2016-11-24 21:29 | Report Abuse

let stock Manny solve it

fengtzekai

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Posted by fengtzekai > 2016-11-25 15:54 | Report Abuse

The problem with Johotin report is that the basis of reporting is different from quarter to quarter.

In quarter 1 and 3, the segment information were presented after tax. For quarter 2, it was presented before taxation. Obviously the tax element for Q2 has not been accounted for if you try to reconcile the numbers.

Substandard reporting, I would say.

Jay

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Posted by Jay > 2016-11-25 16:17 | Report Abuse

agree. q2 shows cumulative PBT when q1 shows PAT, then q3 switch back to cumulative PAT, so you can't accurately breakdown q2 by segment. no point cracking your head, nothing you could do about it

probability

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Posted by probability > 2016-11-25 16:38 | Report Abuse

so..its nothing to do with Forex or one-off events....so the profit steadily growing?

paperplane2016

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Posted by paperplane2016 > 2016-11-25 19:14 | Report Abuse

its non audited, why bother

YiStock

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Posted by YiStock > 2016-11-29 11:36 | Report Abuse

if don't bother, then better put 100 mil profit, agree? :-)

YiStock

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Posted by YiStock > 2016-11-29 11:39 | Report Abuse

Hi Bro Probability, it is more like "invisible" which should be reported. Any way, as long as banker like it..no issue :-)

Posted by probability > Nov 25, 2016 04:38 PM | Report Abuse

so..its nothing to do with Forex or one-off events....so the profit steadily growing?

probability

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Posted by probability > 2016-11-29 11:50 | Report Abuse

ok thanks Yistock.... great to have you in i3.

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