Posted by Marihome > 2021-11-10 14:34 | Report Abuse

omg, 0.18 is coming

Posted by Legend > 2021-11-10 14:36 | Report Abuse

Relax....masanya akan tiba...minum kopi dulu

Posted by Legend > 2021-11-10 14:42 | Report Abuse

Dont trust cerita Borsig...tapi siapa yg sudah percaya dan sangkut apa boleh buat.

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-10 15:11 | Report Abuse

Okla. I take back the part you are not st#pid. You are indeed st*pid. U do business to see Revenue, to see EBITDA but not profit is it?

Here's how u gonna beat around the bush. "Aiyaaaaa, report less profit to pay less tax. Better put the EBITDA elsewhere. After ITDA, nothing left". Isn't that exactly what conmen do? Take ur money and put it in someone else pocket except yours.

I find it amusing you deliberately leave my below statement out.

When you hear people that uses EBITDA to make case "either they try to con you or they con themselves to a great degree".

This is very true. Bcos, whoever scamming you don't want to pay tax. Don't want to pay you. But to convince you business is doing well, they use EBITDA. And they tell you PAT is not important. Why? Because they don't hv to pay tax, they don't have to pay you or any investor.

That's on top of nobody knows if the EBITDA that nedgeon has been bragging aren't dressed up in the first place. The only way to know if the EBITDA is real at all is when it's converted to PAT. Why this nedgeon refuse to acknowledge. Back to this question "either they try to con you or they con themselves to a great degree".

At first u try to con people and stuck high. Now you got lost in ur own con. =D
Ur argument hinges on EBITDA (which legends called it's a scam tactic) where a bunch of ITDA that nobody knows where the money goes.

My argument is simple WHERE IS THE MONEYYYYY? =D
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That was exactly what I said in the past, including to you, that P&L is not important, You want profit, you can get profit, you want loss you can get loss. I already said many times, most important thing is Sales... from the sales you can decide what your EBITDA will become.

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-10 15:22 | Report Abuse

U know a typical conmen do. Ask investor to invest in the business. Makes alot of sales. Comeback tell investor EBITDA is high. But sorry, there is no money to pay investor. When ppl ask where the money go. Conmen give answer like "like that better keep all your money with you and stay in a cave dont invest in anything."

Now in your words, RM1Billion in sales. No profit. Nothing to pay investor. Tell me where is the difference? Lai...u pandai. You tell me.

The way u answer things now like conmen being exposed.

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-10 15:36 | Report Abuse

nedgeon...u and me better talk about how KNM can move forward.

Picking on the past. There are 999 things that I can pick on and why price can tank from RM8 to 20sen. Better sometime talk about how Tunku can turn things around.

I look forward to see RM50mil or RM75 mil PAT. Things will immediately look very bright.

if there is no plan to report such profit, then ur EBITDA here, Sales there are nothing else but scam la bro.

Posted by airbus380 > 2021-11-10 15:40 | Report Abuse

Bankruptcy soon

Posted by DeathStar > 2021-11-10 15:42 | Report Abuse

Time to collect ma apa hawau semua

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-10 16:08 | Report Abuse

This counter heavily operated. Won't go down lot. Won't go up alot also.

What u can do here is...pick up when they selldown, and don't forget to sell when they push.

Posted by Wealth > 2021-11-10 16:16 | Report Abuse

tried to buy at 19c more...but cant.

so i have settled for 19.5c

those who bragged about buying at 20c n selling at 21.5c...i have no comment for you lot.

good luck

i trust my money with tunku

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-10 16:33 | Report Abuse

I trust tunku will do something also. It's just buy selling and buying back again. I make extra 4K for 200K shares in 2 days only ma. =P

https://imgur.com/gallery/uJWWJFx

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Wealth tried to buy at 19c more...but cant.

so i have settled for 19.5c

those who bragged about buying at 20c n selling at 21.5c...i have no comment for you lot.

good luck

i trust my money with tunku

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-10 17:47 | Report Abuse

I ok one. My investing principle is very simple. Make RM50K or RM5 also nvm. I shiok sendiri nvm.
It's whole better then having a -RM50K in the portfolio. How's the eye sore?

If my 19sen can lose money, then ur eye sore gonna be worse...but if you make money, then in % i'm gonna make whole lot more than you.

So what is it gonna be? Me everything I steady one...As long as I say I enter and exit at what price, I can give screenshot. I won't call people kid and beat around the bush.

Can you? Don't be THE kid that beat around the bush telling ppl how big ur d*ck without showing anything.

So what about you? Nothing to show or too small to show? =D

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coolinvestor yoyo make few k like damn shiok sendiri ka....hehe

gosh ok. bye bye small kids.
10/11/2021 11:46 AM

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-10 20:01 | Report Abuse

I call you a conmen is because of this statement.

"You can say both approach are con man job, like that better keep all your money with you and stay in a cave dont invest in anything."

Anyone that kena con before would hv heard this before. This is exactly what conmen say to stir the FOMO in victim. Because 2nd part of that statement is

"All investment got risk one mar. This time bad luck. Lai, I sell another low risk high return tahi lembu".

U tell me, which conmen don't use this two line? =D

People come do investment, they will ask very simple question. How do I make money or benefit from my investment.

I really don't know how a company making billions in revenue doesn't translate into PAT. So what even if it's goes up to RM10B if the PAT doesn't grow proportionally?

And if it's not reported as PAT, how will any investors ever benefit from such practice? Do share genius. If you have been holding for past 10 years, how did you benefited from this kinda business practice? Big revenue, no PAT, no dividend. How? A bunch of RI, PP and ESOS got la. Dunno run what business one.

Those that benefit you, I havent see one yet. With PAT, at least balance sheet is stronger. Every ticket worth more. With sales, revenue and EBITDA, what can it do for you?

If you have been holding KNM for past 10 years, all that KNM has given you is a hope that you can recover your losses. All that KNM has offered is MAYBE they can unlock Borsig potential after 13 years. So, don't expect anyone share similar interest. =P

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-10 20:03 | Report Abuse

Maybe nedgeon, u can share how you have hv benefit investing in KNM lilke all the big kaki here. Who knows if u share your screenshot, I will be tempted to take bigger position.

Where? I hv shared many stuff. Ur turn.

Posted by Legend > 2021-11-11 06:39 | Report Abuse

Morning 0.16...

Posted by superb > 2021-11-11 10:32 | Report Abuse

lai lai 15 cent, I'm waiting .....

Posted by CHLEONG888 > 2021-11-11 10:39 | Report Abuse

Start moving up soon.

Posted by icon2021 > 2021-11-11 10:55 | Report Abuse

looks like ned a hardcore supporter n defender of KNM... Good job... enlighten us...

Posted by TheEqualizer > 2021-11-11 11:55 | Report Abuse

when you are confident about knm, its projects and prospects...you will have nothing to fear.

besides the main thing is old lee n his wife has resigned...meaning a new era has come. those 2 really dunno how to do business...lol

besides why are u fellas so easily influence by these jackasses? no wonder 99% of traders lose money.....

are you all newbies? millennials? short term traders? lol

Posted by TheEqualizer > 2021-11-11 11:57 | Report Abuse

and besides why bother to reply to all these jackasses and traders?

I am sure they could not even be bothered about PE ratios or whatnots or what borsig is...only want any inside information..true or otherwise.

am i right? lol

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 12:32 | Report Abuse

U see how people switch things around. Profit, gross profit and EBITDA are all different thing and they are not interchangeable. U bother to clarify ur statement or what? Or you just a hypocrite/conman to that won't walk this talk "I am just correcting the wrong information that is being propagated non-stop."

When I say EBITDA is a bad indicator normally used as scam tactic, u conveniently switch to profit.

What's ur real intention here nedgeon?

When there is Big Revenue, BIG EBITDA, but no profit. For that many years, it starts to smell rat.
if KNM can fix this, the price will rocket. But you are not interested to find out why.

When challenged on how u benefitted from holding KNM for past how many years, you pretend you never heard that question.

You are very selective in replying. AND EACH REPLY YOU AVOID important question and replace it with a bunch of drivel. You only want to share the good stuff but hide the bad stuff.

Sometimes, I can't tell if you really trying to con or got lost in you own con.

Why list down 3 bad things you don't like about KNM and u wish to see the Tunku change in KNM just to find out if you are blind or st*pid. (try limit to 2 lines per point. To prevent you from getting off tangent and comeback with a bunch of drivel again)

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"This segment recorded a higher gross profit of approximately RM254.82 million and an EBITDA of approximately RM183.13 million in FY2019 as compared with RM238.07 million
and RM115.53 million respectively in FY2018, mainly attributed to lower operating costs.

is RM155.04 million in FY 2020 more than RM100 million ?
is RM183.12 million in FY 2019 more than RM100 million ?
is RM115.53 million in FY 2018 more than RM100 million ?
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No has become this...

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Go and read KNM annual report for 2018, 2019 and 2020 ( page 7 or page 8 )

BORSIG contributes RM155.04 million profit to KNM in FY 2020
BORSIG contributes RM183.12 million profit to KNM in FY 2019
BORSIG contributes RM115.53 million profit to KNM in FY 2018
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Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 12:43 | Report Abuse

Give you simple analogy la.

Abc holding has 3 subsidiary...

Subsidiary A every quarter report EBITDA RM150mil
Subsidiary B every quarter report losses RM50mil
Subsidiary C every quarter report losses RM100mil.

During AGM, ABC Holding management will say how awesome is subsidiary A. But then comes profit. Nothing to share. Everything used to cover losses from subsidiary B and C. Investor ask why not wind up B and C? ***A bunch of excuse***. If I can siphon RM50m a quarter via B & C for next 10 years, it's whole lot more than waiting market cap of ABC holding to appreciate.

This is how big revenue, big EBITDA but no profit looks like. And some jack@ss here think that's is not a severe problem.

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TheEqualizer and besides why bother to reply to all these jackasses and traders?

I am sure they could not even be bothered about PE ratios or whatnots or what borsig is...only want any inside information..true or otherwise.

am i right? lol

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 12:56 | Report Abuse

Part 2 to ABC Holding story...

Whenever need money, to do RI, PP and loan, they tell how stable is Subsidiary A and its performing asset and orderbook as collateral. But when comes to sharing profit, they say it's being used to cover Subsidiary B and Subsidiary C losses

U know what's the ultimate move? When they finally tired siphoning money from B and C, they try to sell A for a lousy deal to a buyer which they probably hv a share in and spin it off as Holding A.

Holding A with profit 100mil a quarter, 400mil per annum with PE 10 (Just incase some donkey think I don't bother or know how to count PE) will put Holding A at RM4B. That's like 6-7X of ABC's holding market cap.

Now, ABC will be left with money losing subsidiary B and C. Imagine those invested in ABC holding...supported each RI and PP for past 10 years...just to be tied to a rock and ditched to the bottom of the sea.

What i'm trying to say here is...Don't be too blinded by your own biases...
You are your own success and downfall.

Time exposes all lies. Not need to argue. All we need to do is just wait and see.

Posted by CITADEL > 2021-11-11 12:59 |

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Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 14:31 | Report Abuse

This where I know you are a st*pid. My analogy is simple and clear. Gone is gone. Nothing about B and C left.

For you is VERY complicated. Disposed is not completely gone. Your disposed already can still eat up 120M from ur 150M EBITDA. Nobody knows this will go on for how long.

It's like you sh*t in toilet. Not all the sh*t is been flushed. There is still residue 80-90 residue.
Need to keep flushing. When asked if it's flushed. You say it's flushed. When I say why I still see sh*t. You answer "it's flushed! You But 80-90% of sh*t is still there.

Still dare to make statement that I don't understand my own analogy. You putar belit got la.
I give you one more chance, "Sh*t is still there or not?" (I think u gonna pretend not read this.)

This sh*t flushing has been going on for past 13 years not done yet. Don't know want to say pandai or bodoh. 13 years also can't flush properly. But for nedgeon, this is not a big problem. Can you imagine ur kid flushing the toilet for 13 years? Wouldn't u go in the toilet with a cane to whack the sh*t out of him?

That's why PAT is more important that whatever crap you have biasedly brought forward. In the end of the PAT would hv included loses from D until Z and so on and we know if still make money. There is no point keep mentioning EBITDA from A but there are losses from B-Z that you pretend not see.

What conmen do? pretend losses from B-Z is not there lo. At least this time, he admits it's not complete gone. There are residue that wipes 100-150mil off KNM's profit. So as investor, u know la. U wait until sh*t is completely cleaned with no residue first only comeback. Else, u come back, everytime also have to talk about the same sh*t and nedgeon will explain that still go residue, that's why u can collect cheap 10 years later. =D

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This is exactly what KNM have been doing over the years... B and C has already been disposed. Do you still see loss making North America subsidiaries anymore ? Did you see loss making South America subsidiaries anymore ? and many more... There are no more B and C to cover, that is why KNM is getting profits now but why not full profit of A ?

By disposing B and C does not mean everything is cleared immediately. There are still residue from B and C needs be cleaned up.

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 14:34 | Report Abuse

Now I know why folks here say don't talk about borsig.

I think they mean don't talk about the same sh*t. It's getting rotten already. And hence u can get cheaper later.

Posted by Superb99 > 2021-11-11 15:38 | Report Abuse

price like a salted fish now...can tabao d

Posted by basicallysimple > 2021-11-11 16:11 | Report Abuse

Sardin81 what is a nedgeon?

Posted by basicallysimple > 2021-11-11 16:13 | Report Abuse

Really nedgeon/sardin81 speak like promoter. Mb paid promoter. Sc should investigate

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 16:15 | Report Abuse

Mar don't be that st*pid to say problem from B and C is gone lo. What so difficult? Why so difficult?

Now u know why I say you are st*pid? Or you don't?

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What do you mean gone is gone ? are you saying all those borrowings that KNM took to finance B and C automatic no need to pay anymore after B and C is closed down ?

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 16:17 | Report Abuse

Lelong lelong ada 19sen...
Siapa mau collect cepat collect...

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Wealth tried to buy at 19c more...but cant.

so i have settled for 19.5c

those who bragged about buying at 20c n selling at 21.5c...i have no comment for you lot.

good luck

i trust my money with tunku

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 16:24 | Report Abuse

Give you one last chance la....

My questions is very simple...
1) Problem from B and C....still there or not? don't putar belit liao.

2) Just like your toilet bowl...still got sh*t or not? don't putar belit liao.
Don't say things like, it's flushed. But still residue. My question is simple! Still got sh*t or not?
(This is how I talk to st*pid people. Talk properly won't udnerstand one.)

Just say yes....still full of sh*t! need another 13 years to flush.

Although the below statement already admit. Just too ego to admit after kena marah st*pid so many times. The more u putar belit. The more st*pid u look like.

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What do you mean gone is gone ? are you saying all those borrowings that KNM took to finance B and C automatic no need to pay anymore after B and C is closed down ?

Posted by Legend > 2021-11-11 16:24 | Report Abuse

Sardin RM0.16

Posted by CITADEL > 2021-11-11 16:25 |

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Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 16:31 | Report Abuse

That's the lie u tell yourself since RM9 lo. Big players waiting chicken sh*t like me to cut loss.

While the "big" player holding RM8.80 sen losses. If take screenshot and share how bloody it is...I think I will cry on his behalf.

Not because I pity him. I don't pity st*pid people. I cry for the gross disrespect for money.

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nedgeon Superb99 price like a salted fish now...can tabao d
11/11/2021 3:38 PM

how to go up ? you have so many RJ87 holding this shares... all the big players are just waiting for them to cut loss. I think some of you are right.. the more I talk, the more I D I O T S will expose themselves to the big players.
11/11/2021 3:52 PM

Posted by icon2021 > 2021-11-11 16:32 | Report Abuse

to make this one rally up n LU is to have a much bigger shark than the existing small sharks who are having big enough fund to just take profit for every 1 cent raise while to cause greedy retailers cutloss in frustration because when they enter the prices were seemingly controlled from rising further ....
When massive cutloss event occurs these school of small sharks collecting silently again..

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 16:42 | Report Abuse

Share the same observation....

Everytime support grow thin, u can see sudden 15M/20M shares selldown...later followed by small small chunk of collection with net transaction upto 100M -200M...

the small shark that do this also quite kaya. Nvm, we ride along.

KNM to die won't die la. Got 1-2sen profit. It's better than bleeding 10-20 losses.

Even if u hv 10sen loses....u just need to make 10 times 1sen gain. Then, u recovered ur losses while it's going sideways. This is the ultimate lesson I learn.

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icon2021 to make this one rally up n LU is to have a much bigger shark than the existing small sharks who are having big enough fund to just take profit for every 1 cent raise while to cause greedy retailers cutloss in frustration because when they enter the prices were seemingly controlled from rising further ....
When massive cutloss event occurs these school of small sharks collecting silently again..
11/11/2021 4:32 PM

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 17:02 | Report Abuse

Kena corner liao...Like I say, pretend never read it lo...

"I am just correcting the lies that is being propagated here."

And I the lies that I have exposed is KNM toilet bowl still got sh*t. Sh*t so big that need to use up whole of Borsig RM150M EBITDA to flush. For 13 years.

Puzzling part if u don't seemed to be bothered by it. Which leads me to think if you are either st*pid or conmen.

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RJ87 Give you one last chance la....

My questions is very simple...
1) Problem from B and C....still there or not? don't putar belit liao.

2) Just like your toilet bowl...still got sh*t or not? don't putar belit liao.
Don't say things like, it's flushed. But still residue. My question is simple! Still got sh*t or not?
(This is how I talk to st*pid people. Talk properly won't understand one.)

Just say yes....still full of sh*t! need another 13 years to flush.

Although the below statement already admit. Just too ego to admit after kena marah st*pid so many times. The more u putar belit. The more st*pid u look like.

Posted by Pattankhaw > 2021-11-11 18:44 | Report Abuse

Wonder when this counter will do justice to investors like us

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 19:17 | Report Abuse

I’m looking for a yes n no answer.
Simple answer also can’t give. Dare call ppl id*ot.

Only st*pid write and essay for a yes n no question. Bodoh to the max.

Conmen very smart. It’s not about KNM still full of taik…it’s about ppl making 1-2sen.

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 19:49 | Report Abuse

Typical dishonest management play book.

Buy expensive asset with loan. All profit eaten up by expensive operational expenses and finance charges. A bunch of ESOS than only benefit management. When no money, PP and RI.

If u see such similarities anywhere. Run far far…

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Pattankhaw Wonder when this counter will do justice to investors like us
11/11/2021 6:44 PM

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 20:01 | Report Abuse

They dont need to believe me.

Like you say, use RM100M EBITDA from A and use RM80M to flush residue from B and C.
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They find it st*pid. Mar sell lo. Weird thing is u die die say it’s smart.
I’m trying to point out it’s st*pid. U die die defend it’s not. Sigh…dunno what to say liao…

Can explain how flushing RM80M down toilet bowl is smart ar? How is that smart? How?


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Only bigger i d i o t s than you, will believe in you. Surprisingly there are

Posted by icon2021 > 2021-11-11 22:39 | Report Abuse

Perhaps enlightenment could help newbies from any traps... like the 1 sen traps frequently setup....

Posted by icon2021 > 2021-11-11 22:41 | Report Abuse

learnt newbies will understand the game play and become more resilient and wont fall to cutloss trap... and in turn let the sharks gang to eating just each other..

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-11 23:04 | Report Abuse

Nedgeon is right when he ask why im here… knm is not a lost cause like serba…

Given its billion dollar revenue, they just need to reduce the loss from their loss making subsidiary…

if they can increase the PAT to RM50m a quarter and RM200m per annum. Easily put KNM above RM1B market cap given it’s revenue resilience.

Posted by Legend > 2021-11-12 07:40 |

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Posted by Nch21396 > 2021-11-12 08:16 | Report Abuse

Ya, they try to earn penny, 1 or 2 cents make them tell d whole “kampong”???

Posted by Hotstuff > 2021-11-12 09:04 | Report Abuse

KNM - another version of SERBADK in the making

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-12 09:59 | Report Abuse

This sorzai right, kena corner that KNM flush Borsig EBITDA into loss-making subsidiary is st*pid not very happy.

Now, all he can do is personal attack. Now, u tell me where which part of
"knm IS NOT a lost cause like serba…" you don't understand.

Did I say KNM is the same as Serba? Or you don't understand the word "is not"
I say KNM IS NOT Serba is a good thing. This how st*pid you are.

Until you learn to apologize for ur mistake/st*pidity, i'm just gonna point out where u bodoh.

I have not read you example about Frontken. I hv no comment.
As of now, I DON'T SEE any similarity especially the part KNM price drop from RM9 to 20sen in part years while Frontken up from 30+sen to RM4.5. Big difference. Or you too st*pid to notice?

The two technology frontken invested 2017 and 2018 is not something KNM has. Or maybe not. Do enlighten.

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nedgeon Now RJ87 compare Serba with KNM... he knows nothing. KNM and Serba are totally unrelated. The reason I give FRONTKN as example because there is a common thing in both of them in their road to recovery, Do you know what it is ? I am sure RJ87 does not know.

Posted by RJ87 > 2021-11-12 10:09 | Report Abuse

However, there are similarities between KNM and Frontken. They hv recurring revenue after securing each project. Maybe Aramco, got...I don't know. I don't see in the report yet.

That was my mistake selling Frontken too soon.

But Frontken don't hv many toilet bowl with "residue" to flush. Flush 13 years also tak habis.
This argument is very strong and valid. You also don't know how to worm your way out. =P