Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 00:36 | Report Abuse

不是每个人都有开窍的慧根。。。。

很多时候都是环境逼人。。。我从小就经历很煎熬的生活，所以生活技能和适应能力都强一些。。

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 00:36 | Report Abuse

Short sell can be through Borrow tickets from major shareholders. (The lender)
Usually, after selling for cashing out , the share will bounce back to the level it deserved.

A dump for pump is totally different scenario, after jiaow cho will disappear and the share price will sleep straight straight like salted fish ; eg. Sgb & etc.

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 00:38 | Report Abuse

News.

By regulation yes. Only those with indicator in profile.

However, we have many creative way to perform short covering .... Still will make gain

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 00:39 | Report Abuse

Duit bro 是不是 连俄相 都会看。 佩服

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 00:39 | Report Abuse

Hahaha...

Don't listen me. Nonsense only

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 00:41 | Report Abuse

钱兄 可是 智慧 者 啊。

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 00:42 | Report Abuse

He he , nice to get to know u .

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 00:42 | Report Abuse

Hahaha....

哎呀。。。。此话严重。。。不好说

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 00:43 | Report Abuse

Me too. Nice to discuss with you. I learn a lot from u too bro....

Lets grow together

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 00:44 | Report Abuse

钱 大哥, 帮帮我 看看 我 这幅 猴相, 哈哈哈。

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 00:45 | Report Abuse

讲笑而已啦。。。我不会的。。。

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 00:46 | Report Abuse

是不是 有 OBAMA 的 风范 ?

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 00:47 | Report Abuse

好啦 明天 再聊。
晚安 了 钱大哥。

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 00:49 | Report Abuse

Good night. I busy my things first...

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 00:51 | Report Abuse

:)

Posted by LGMGL > 2016-07-29 07:30 | Report Abuse

Thanks 钱大哥.

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 07:33 | Report Abuse

我只是小小小人物而已。。
不要用大哥啦。。。。。。

Posted by LGMGL > 2016-07-29 07:39 | Report Abuse

钱大哥..
Can teach me smtg..?
If the price up & short seller not enough money to buy back the shares, then lender hv to "makan sendiri"..?
:)

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 07:57 | Report Abuse

No.

They will buy then they will lose money.

That's why 江湖上有弱和强的庄家，一定要跟有力的庄家

Posted by LGMGL > 2016-07-29 07:59 | Report Abuse

TQ duit... always can learn things from ur comment. :)

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 08:01 | Report Abuse

Hahahha.

Are u serious?

Posted by news > 2016-07-29 08:08 | Report Abuse

Thanks Duit, so there is no way we can avoid them.

Posted by MuttonCurry > 2016-07-29 08:08 | Report Abuse

duit idea of financial utopia ? This is the kind of logic that lead to 1MDB mess

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 08:11 | Report Abuse

MuttonCurry

U treat me Apam coconut milk and ButuMayam I Baru answer u... Heheheh

Posted by YiStock > 2016-07-29 08:41 | Report Abuse

Hi Duit, based on your explanation above,

He has 368,500 shares which when share price at RM 3.85, the total value of the shares is RM 1,418,725

After whole short sell process, the same 368,500 shares now at RM 3.58, the total total value is RM 1,319,230

RM 1,319,230 - RM 1,418,725 = - RM 99,495 + RM 15,000 (profit sharing) = loss RM 84,495

Looks like the lender become "elder son".

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 08:47 | Report Abuse

YiStock, surprise to see u dont see the final expectation plan result from this kind of activities.

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 08:52 | Report Abuse

Short down, they earn, share back to fairly traded level another gaun.
Usually, lender rely on a surely happening catalyst to help re- stimulate the share price.Unless some time there are string challenger show up, who manage to share the cake then lender loss.

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 08:54 | Report Abuse

YiStock...

Thank for reply. You are very right.

I mentioned in the article Point No.2

"Short selling often occur in stock market due to the benefit below:

1)Short seller and lender make money in certain ratio (negotiable)
2)Lender believes the counter he holds will enevtually show good figure and enjoy share price appreciation
3)Stimulate the trading volume to garner market attention"

That is why Lender will only sign the agreement "if" and "only" if the counter is has potential to uptrend AND his initial buying cost is way below post short selling activity.

It's is common and involve risk. For those without share appreciation ability we could only see pump and dump......

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 08:55 | Report Abuse

They plan for the results with some strong wild card on hand.
Sometime, its like Art or movie. Enjoy.... :)

Posted by YiStock > 2016-07-29 08:57 | Report Abuse

Duit, if point 2 is the key, if lender believe the counter will eventually show good figures, the share price will likely surplus RM 4 right? the paper value will be greater if not forcing (by short sell) the share price to dive. It is burn own pocket.

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 08:59 | Report Abuse

Yistock...

This counter will deliver upbeat expectation result. PBIT will see windfall rise in next 2 quarters.....so they rilek lo..

Still remember how FGV short from high to very low. Why activity keep going on because next 2 consecutive QR is amazing result........

For value investment point of view it's not logic to realize it. I agree also.... that is why market has several streams of players.....

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 09:00 | Report Abuse

YiStock..

Plain English pls.. I also cant "kait" itu elder son.....

Posted by YiStock > 2016-07-29 09:02 | Report Abuse

hmm... duit, understand. they are people like that. OK. Cheers

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 09:02 | Report Abuse

By theory YES.

However, when there is very obvious SELL ON NEWS themed play and LENDER knew if he did not sell other will sell. Might as well don't sit idle but do something. This is my thinking.


Posted by YiStock > Jul 29, 2016 08:57 AM | Report Abuse

Duit, if point 2 is the key, if lender believe the counter will eventually show good figures, the share price will likely surplus RM 4 right? the paper value will be greater if not forcing (by short sell) the share price to dive. It is burn own pocket.

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 09:08 | Report Abuse

YiStock...

Cannot mention 2 counters I meet up their Major shareholder (owner) frequently......... both also billion Revenue company with perfect CAGR for last 10 years.

Let give U clear historical example.
One stock use 1.5 year to climb from RM3.5 to RM4.5
on news they sell on news and owner press down to RM3.98 with small money but retailers panicking dispose and make it landslide to RM3.60.

Owner bought back big sum and the share price rise back to RM4.50 after 5 months.

Key points here: Last time use 1.5 yr to earn RM1... Now use 5 months gain bigger money (because shares unit become BIGGER). This is not the example of short selling but to share why "owner" wan to burn his own pocket money. In fact, what we see is because we never factor in timeline concept.

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 09:15 | Report Abuse

YiStock...

yup.. I still believe in value investment. short term and mid term is for fun only..... I am very FA based........ but discuss more short term in i3 (to suit major appetite)..........

I never see short term or mid term investors enter Forbes Top 100 Richest Billionaire.... Forever will not believe it.

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 09:17 | Report Abuse

YiStock bro..

Thanks for valuable discussion.. I benefit a lot from ur article..... Like ssoojinhau , your, kc chong and RicheHo type article......

appreciate it.... hope I can learn more from U...

cheers

Posted by bichrome84 > 2016-07-29 09:34 | Report Abuse

thought short seliing is illegal in malaysia

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 09:39 | Report Abuse

we small bilis cannot do ma

Posted by connie > 2016-07-29 09:57 | Report Abuse

duit, nice pics of holland and good explanation on short selling !

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 09:59 | Report Abuse

alamakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

only eyeing my tulips only ar???? never aim my small canal meh???

scare die me

Posted by Undi_PAS > 2016-07-29 10:04 | Report Abuse

That's why PAS so against gambling whether in casino or Bursa. For someone to gain(short sellers) someone else must lose. If you are losing party will you be happy? Hence under BN a lot of shooting cases or commit suicides recently. It could be gambling related although unspecified.

Posted by YiStock > 2016-07-29 10:06 | Report Abuse

Duit, thinking back, your above article maybe more relevant to your below scenario.

"taking advantage of retailer fearful mindset..人丢我丢。。自己吓死自己"

Initially i thought short sell = buy "short"


duitKWSPkita: YiStock...

Cannot mention 2 counters I meet up their Major shareholder (owner) frequently......... both also billion Revenue company with perfect CAGR for last 10 years.

Let give U clear historical example.
One stock use 1.5 year to climb from RM3.5 to RM4.5
on news they sell on news and owner press down to RM3.98 with small money but retailers panicking dispose and make it landslide to RM3.60.

Owner bought back big sum and the share price rise back to RM4.50 after 5 months.

Key points here: Last time use 1.5 yr to earn RM1... Now use 5 months gain bigger money (because shares unit become BIGGER). This is not the example of short selling but to share why "owner" wan to burn his own pocket money. In fact, what we see is because we never factor in timeline concept.

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 10:08 | Report Abuse

demi kesejahteraan hidup

I sokong dan undi PAS

Posted by Undi_PAS > Jul 29, 2016 10:04 AM | Report Abuse

That's why PAS so against gambling whether in casino or Bursa. For someone to gain(short sellers) someone else must lose. If you are losing party will you be happy? Hence under BN a lot of shooting cases or commit suicides recently. It could be gambling related although unspecified.

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 10:11 | Report Abuse

YiStock..

通常小股民还没输死时都是被吓死或玩死

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 10:15 | Report Abuse

后者 比较多。

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 10:17 | Report Abuse

盲目 买的, 肯定玩蛋。
人家 可是 有计划 做足 准备 来 jiao ikan bilis 的。
Kontra kakis 更不用说了。

Posted by VenFx > 2016-07-29 10:20 | Report Abuse

也算 是 一种 Art of ' jiao完松' 吧。

Posted by duitKWSPkita > 2016-07-29 12:03 | Report Abuse

Hahahahah

Posted by dreamer74 > 2016-07-30 08:33 | Report Abuse

Thanks duit very informative. I think if going for long haul that wouldn't affect much ; only kena contra kakis that glued on the screen. BTW I dun vote PAS regressive party which shed no light on advancement or development.