Posted by musangfoxking > 2017-08-05 00:16 | Report Abuse

smartrader, what happens to your call on Puc?

Posted by Explode > 2017-08-05 00:25 | Report Abuse

follow the trend lah, you can't earn big if you are stubborn in shares market. after ppl earned, you just create sour grapes articles... meaningless

Posted by coldinvestor > 2017-08-05 07:40 | Report Abuse

已经买进的人一定会说便宜， 还会升起的， 没买到的人， 可能会说贵了， 不值得。 这是很正常的， 祝大家周末愉快。

Posted by 3iii > 2017-08-05 08:54 | Report Abuse

<<<Alex Foo i dunno. my logic is simple. ROE > 40%, PE < 5. Or you want PUC?
04/08/2017 22:49>>>

Hope you also realise how illogical your statement is too.

Posted by lizi > 2017-08-05 09:16 | Report Abuse

rubbish

Posted by Alex Foo > 2017-08-05 10:58 | Report Abuse

@3iii

ok la, i buy puc~ huat ar~

Posted by undertaker > 2017-08-05 11:00 | Report Abuse

Be Fair to HENGYUAN, Based on Current EPS is 171 sens, If as you said average reasonable PE is 6, HENGYUAN should worth RM 10.26 ! Where got Overvalued ?... Please advise.

Posted by Hunger > 2017-08-05 11:07 | Report Abuse

Can look at hevea ,Currently hong leong bank and other research investor already start covering (due to stronger usd to myr currency and their diversification which should be up by now or 4th Q)

https://asia.nikkei.com/Markets/Nikkei-Markets/Malaysia-Heveaboard-Estimates-Fungi-Project-To-Add-Up-To-MYR10-Million-In-Revenue-Official?page=2

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/heveaboard-forecast-rake-rm3m-earnings-2018

Posted by stockraider > 2017-08-05 11:16 | Report Abuse

Alex Foo,

U DON HAVE TO LISTEN 3iii BCOS HE WILL MISLEAD U TO THE WRONG PATH LOH...!!

LOOK AT BELOW U WILL UNDERSTAND LOH...!!

LETS REFLECT LOH...IF U WANT TO CRITICIZE MAH...!!

Raider ask 3iii what napshot stock had u picked for the last 3 years here loh...!!

This 3iii jokers had nothing to show other than his historical rubbish which is bought more than 10 years ago like Public Bank, Pet Dag, LPI, Nestle lwhich he is promoting everyday loh...!!

As for oly shyte he has make hundreds & hundreds of call...surely thru law of below average some will perform well loh..!!
But have u all really examine whether OLLY can beat JOHN or even raider on successful napshot call or not ?

Yes this 3iii pick are good stock but only give normal return mah....!!
U cannot depend on 10 to 20 yrs success for your next generation mah...!!
There must be continous R&D and Mkt research in order be healthy mah...!!

Can 3iii and Oly pick great super gain stock like Eforce, KESM, Petron, Ajinomoto and Hengyuan or not ? This type of stock give breath taking return 100% to 600 % !!

To make matter worse, everytime people spread the good news especially recent HRC...this 3iii & Oly Shyte...bad mouthed it...like this companies owed their grandfather millions loh...!!

Let these people continue to talk like old gossip lady stories loh...!
They do it with ulterior motive hide their weakness loh...!!
This 3iii & oly shyte talk too much c.o.ck bcos no investment idea.

FURTHERMORE;
3iii has been a long term investors on pet dag, 4 yrs ago this share is around Rm 20 plus today it is the same mah...!!

When raider promoted Petron and HRC at low price this 3iii is the 1st to bad mouthed raider loh...!!

Why leh ?
Bcos this 3iii feel sore bcos raider says petdag is overvalue mah..!!

Raider just tell the truth mah, Petdag at PE 24x obviously it is overvalue mah....!!

There is no way about it mah...!!

Just imagine HRC pe 24x....it price will be Rm 44 to rm 72 loh...!!

Can u all see the obvious leh ?

Posted by stockraider > 2017-08-05 11:26 | Report Abuse

U NEED TO UNDERSTAND LOH....THEY ARE MAINLY WAY TO VALUE STOCK, AND LIKE LOW PE AND HIGH ROE ARE SOME OF THE WAY MAH...!!

JUST LIKE A GOOD BASKET BALL PLAYERS ARE USUALLY TALL (LIKE LOW PE) AND LONG HANDS (HIGH ROE), BUT IT DO NOT ALWAYS MEAN SHORT PLAYERS WITH NOT SO LONG HANDS, CANNOT BE GOOD BASKET BALL PLAYERS...BUT HAVING THE ADVANTAGE GIVEN....WILL GIVE THEM A HEADSTART LOH...!!

SAMETHING IN INVESTMENT, IF U HAVE LOW PE AND HIGH ROE LIKE HENGYUAN IT GIVE U A GREAT HEAD START LOH....!!

OF COURSE U STILL EXAMINE OTHER CRITERIA OF INVESTMENT B4 U MAKE THE COMFORTABLE DECISION TO BUY LOH...!!

HRC WE HAVE GONE THRU THE ADVANTAGE & DISADVANTAGE FOR SO MANY MTHS, THATS WHY RAIDER VERY COMFORTABLE LOH...!!

Posted by slts > 2017-08-05 11:42 | Report Abuse

i see alot of arguments regarding the value of tis stock

actually tis stock turned sexy cos KYY
bought big pushing the price up substantially creating
excitement & later promote it as an undervalued

have u ever wonder why no fund managers cover tis stock?
or only a few like KYY with hawk eyes can see vale in it

Posted by slts > 2017-08-05 11:54 | Report Abuse

mus, good than u buy as much as u can

Posted by Tom > 2017-08-05 11:59 | Report Abuse

像这种拿来投机的股你想买当然可以，你得快进快出....不过以这两只股目前的价钱，还有hengyuan和petronm的NOSH分别只有270millions和300millions，现在跳进去赚幅已经不多（除非你敢在8块钱或以上sailang）而且还有些风险的，也要考虑到大户计划几时会出场....万一有天业绩180度转变散户们就会死得很惨

Posted by slts > 2017-08-05 12:05 | Report Abuse

suddenly newspaper reporters
have good followers

Posted by stockraider > 2017-08-05 12:09 |

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Posted by slts > 2017-08-05 12:14 | Report Abuse

when IB start issuing CAs
the mother price have pick & will fall.
IB never loose to mkt punters

Posted by Alex Foo > 2017-08-05 12:27 | Report Abuse

@stockraider

haha, i kacau him only. He says illogical, means illogical lor~

ROE 40%, PE 5, wakaka.....sell~

Posted by WB2F > 2017-08-05 12:28 | Report Abuse

Bought HRC at RM7.25 on 1st August during panic selling time. Lowest on the day is RM7.15. Sold yesterday 4 August at RM7.97. Only kept less than 4 days.
HeHeHe...waiting for another panic sells to buy at much cheaper price. Might get if God willing

Anyway this stock for past week have been behaved like a speculative stock.

Posted by Alex Foo > 2017-08-05 12:30 | Report Abuse

RM72 HRC, i cannot sleep liao.....haha

Posted by LA777 > 2017-08-05 13:37 | Report Abuse

Thus is rubbish article, all nonsense!

Posted by bongjf > 2017-08-05 17:59 | Report Abuse

I would not sell and keep for two more Q result out. That time it will be RM 15. >100% profit.

Posted by TrippleZ > 2017-08-05 18:09 | Report Abuse

Historically, this is not the first time hengyuan reported outstanding result. It can report huge loses any time. So good luck for those who wish to hold on to it.

Posted by cheated > 2017-08-05 18:19 | Report Abuse

If coming QR poor like Lotte how?

Posted by bongjf > 2017-08-05 18:20 | Report Abuse

I will buy more when price > RM 8.32 next week.

Posted by cheated > 2017-08-05 18:41 | Report Abuse

Lotte drop 1.7 after QR. Petron, Hengyuan if EPS drop to single digit turn next?

Posted by bongjf > 2017-08-05 18:45 | Report Abuse

Newbies are smart now. No need to foo them...

Posted by stockraider > 2017-08-05 22:15 | Report Abuse

posted by Alex Foo > Aug 5, 2017 04:15 PM | Report Abuse

come sit down. angmo article teach u a lesson

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4058710-oil-oil-products-crack-spreads-signal-best-worlds

too long didn't read spoonfeed me pls~

Crack Spreads = Real time indicators of refinery profitability.
HRC = refinery

Therefore, HRC = profit

Posted by probability > Aug 5, 2017 04:32 PM | Report Abuse

"Singapore margins which are a benchmark for Asia have climbed up almost 8 dollar 30 cents yesterday, 30 cents up almost and compared with June they are nearly 2 dollars higher"

2 dollar higher woh! RM 6 rise for PE of 5? he he..

Posted by stockraider > 2017-08-05 22:15 | Report Abuse

posted by Alex Foo > Aug 5, 2017 04:15 PM | Report Abuse

come sit down. angmo article teach u a lesson

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4058710-oil-oil-products-crack-spreads-signal-best-worlds

too long didn't read spoonfeed me pls~

Crack Spreads = Real time indicators of refinery profitability.
HRC = refinery

Therefore, HRC = profit

Posted by probability > Aug 5, 2017 04:32 PM | Report Abuse

"Singapore margins which are a benchmark for Asia have climbed up almost 8 dollar 30 cents yesterday, 30 cents up almost and compared with June they are nearly 2 dollars higher"

2 dollar higher woh! RM 6 rise for PE of 5? he he..

Posted by stockraider > 2017-08-06 12:18 | Report Abuse

Yes think big loh...!!
Shoot high mah....if do not hit Rm 70.00 but hit Rm 22 to 42 per share also fair loh...!!

Thats why raider say don go for peanuts...it is for monkey mah...!!
No low low target or small small trading profit mah...!!

Dumb dumb hold thick & thin loh...!!

HRC can really fly loh...

if u want to sailang one stock....u just sailang on HRC loh.....!!

This is the best stock to sailang loh....!!

1. Lowest PE
2. strong earnings growth
3. very High ROE 60.8%
4. Fast Improving crack margin

u notice Q1 31-3-2017 Hengyuan profit beat Pet Dag ?

Hengyuan PAT Rm 279 million. Mkt cap Rm 2.39 billion
Pet Dag Pat Rm 254 million. Mkt cap Rm 23.644 billion.

That means HRC got chance to hit Rm 23 billion too...or Rm 76.00 per share if we matched with Pet Dag loh...!!
This is bcos HRC profit about same with Pet Dag mah...!!

Thats why raider very bullish mah...bcos mkt give PE 2-3x HRC but give Pet Dag PE 24x loh...!!

This absurd and stupid loh....!!

SO PLEASE STOP MAKING PEANUTS LIKE A MONKEY IN & OUT,U WILL BE GREAT & SUCCESSFUL MAH, JUST DUMB DUMB HOLD ON HRC LOH...!!

Posted by jackfruit > 2017-08-06 16:32 | Report Abuse

Stockraider the way you value HRC as if HRC is the only refinery Co. in this part world. In Malaysia petronas control about 60 to 70 percent of the market share and the rest between HRC n Petrol M.
As U said the crack spread got good margin so all the refinery in Asia is going full speed. The question now is competition. Can HRC n PM compete in the open market. What if supply more than demand later. U think your dream price achievable.

Posted by 3iii > 2017-08-06 21:05 | Report Abuse

Refining margin is volatile and uncertain. Speculate if you must. Don't base on raider's silly valuation. He is not honest. Too much bias to be objective.

Speculate with money that you can afford to lose. Never put more than you can afford to lose. And, very important, never add more into this.

Posted by stockraider > 2017-08-07 00:02 | Report Abuse

Yes think big loh...!!
Shoot high mah....if do not hit Rm 70.00 but hit Rm 22 to 42 per share also fair loh...!!

Thats why raider say don go for peanuts...it is for monkey mah...!!
No low low target or small small trading profit mah...!!

Dumb dumb hold thick & thin loh...!!

HRC can really fly loh...

if u want to sailang one stock....u just sailang on HRC loh.....!!

This is the best stock to sailang loh....!!

1. Lowest PE
2. strong earnings growth
3. very High ROE 60.8%
4. Fast Improving crack margin

u notice Q1 31-3-2017 Hengyuan profit beat Pet Dag ?

Hengyuan PAT Rm 279 million. Mkt cap Rm 2.39 billion
Pet Dag Pat Rm 254 million. Mkt cap Rm 23.644 billion.

That means HRC got chance to hit Rm 23 billion too...or Rm 76.00 per share if we matched with Pet Dag loh...!!
This is bcos HRC profit about same with Pet Dag mah...!!

Thats why raider very bullish mah...bcos mkt give PE 2-3x HRC but give Pet Dag PE 24x loh...!!

This absurd and stupid loh....!!

LETS STUDY COMMENT CAREFULLY LOH...!! HRC PE 2-3X V PET DAG PE 24X.
HRC LATEST Q1 PROFIT IS RM 279M V PET DAG Q1 254M
HRC MKT CAP 2.4B V PET DAG MKT 24 BILLION.

THATS MEANS HRC MAKE MORE THAN PET DAG BUT TRADE ONLY AT 10% OF PET DAG LOH...!!

SO U DON SEE HRC IS UNDERVALUE MEH ??

COMMON USE UR BRAIN AND THINK LOH ?

Posted by stockraider > 2017-08-07 00:03 | Report Abuse

RAIDER SENIOR ANALYST TAUGHT RAIDER USING PETER LYNCH PRINCIPLE...TO IDENTIFY SHARE THAT CAN FLY WITH POSSIBILITY OF MAKING 10 BAGGERS & HRC IS IDENTIFY CAN FULFIL THIS CRITERIA LOH.

JUST LOOK AT BELOW WHY LOH...!!

HRC can really fly loh...

if u want to sailang one stock....u just sailang on HRC loh.....!!

This is the best stock to sailang loh....!!

1. Lowest PE 2X TO 3X
2. strong earnings growth LATEST Q1 2017 Q1 2016 UP 200% LOH
3. very High ROE 60.8%
4. Fast Improving crack margin Q1 2017 USD 8.5BPD V Q1 2016 USD 4.5BPD.

LATEST FEEDBACK FROM PROBABILITY THE CRACKING MARGIN IS AT USD 11.5 BPD TO 20.0 BPD MAH...!!

DON U SEE HRC SHARE PRICE WILL FLY FROM RM 7.97 LEH ?

Posted by stockraider > 2017-08-07 00:04 |

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Posted by CKCS > 2017-08-07 12:37 | Report Abuse

Super investor KYY already tells u and showed u hints mah......he will sell for sure! Who would hold and push up FOREVER meh? Once done....it is way down mah..

Posted by CKCS > 2017-08-07 12:37 | Report Abuse

This time not so nicely done loh.....until alerted authorities to issue UMA>....

Posted by CKCS > 2017-08-07 12:44 | Report Abuse

WHEN ALL GIANTS KEEP PUSHING SHARE PRICE UP.....AND WHEN THEY ARE DONE....THEY ENDED UP WITH MASSIVE NUMBER OF SHARES ON HAND.....IF U ARE SMART ENOUGH....CAN U TELL ME WHAT THESE INVESTORS/TRADERS/REMISERS/PROXIES WILL DO NEXT WHEN SHARE PRICE IS AT SKY HIGH????????? AND WHEN THEY HAD ENOUGH AND DUMPING.....HOW FAST IS THE SHARE PRICE COLLAPSING? ANY REAL DEMAND TO BUY THE SHARES CATCHING FALLING KNIVES? OR THESE SO CALLED SHARKS WILL CREATE THE DEMAND CATCHING BACK SOME OF THEIR OWN SHARES SELLING????? iNTERESTING......!!!!

Posted by pitbull > 2017-08-07 12:46 | Report Abuse

Ckcs ...why u message me, tell me you want sailang in HRC ..??

Posted by pitbull > 2017-08-07 12:47 | Report Abuse

Ckcs ,brother..
Don't PM me la..if u want sailang , we'll support you.

Posted by pitbull > 2017-08-07 12:48 | Report Abuse

Ckcs be gentleman here la.
We all know you miss the boat..but u also can enter now..Don't Cry

Posted by stockraider > 2017-08-07 12:57 | Report Abuse

HRC has break thru Rm 8.00 resistance and achieve another new high loh!!

As HRC is raider sailang stock lets recap what TP loh..!!


Rm 8.50 for traders loh...!!
Rm 8.888 based on Petron mkt cap equilibrium with HRC
Rm 9.00 OTB short term TP
Rm 10.00 John Lu bet with CKC
Rm 12.00 based on PE 6x Eps Rm 2.00
Rm 12.80 OTB mid term TP
Rm 14.00 based on PE 7x EPS Rm 2.00
Rm 16.00 KYY target
Rm 18.00 Paperlane Target
Rm 19.50 based on Pe 6x Eps 6x
Rm 22.00 Raider target based on 50% replacement cost of refinery
Rm 33.00 based on HRC equal to Titan Mkt Cap
Rm 42.00 based on Raider target of 100% replacement cost of refinery
Rm 48.00 based on eps rm 2.00 PE 24x of Pet dag
Rm 72.00 based on Eps rm 3.00 PE 24x of Pet dag
Rm 78.88 based on Pet Dag mkt cap equal to HRC mkt cap

Have raider missed out listing anyone else TP on HRC ?
Please slot in yourself here loh...!!