Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-03 22:07 | Report Abuse

still weird...

Posted by supersaiyan3 > 2018-12-03 22:23 | Report Abuse

You got the wrong understanding on justice. Justice is when you are not hurt. You are merely fighting for your own course while hoping others could be used by you.

When it has nothing to do with you but you fight for other people, that is commonly known as Justice.

Your action is not wrong though.

There are good or bad corporate governance however. Warren Buffet says you should check on management's previous promise. When the co. have money, what would they do?

Posted by cheoky > 2018-12-03 23:28 | Report Abuse

A more mature to handle. Treat these 2 subjects as dog? When they bark, so be it? Sometimes u got surplus energy beat them a bit. I song and they cont barking. Life goes on. But I would not go great length to write up an article for dogs. So all three subjects are indeed weird. In my opinion only.

Posted by i3lurker > 2018-12-03 23:33 | Report Abuse

when someone calls you weird and you write something that looks like a Phd thesis, thats definitely weird
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Posted by cheoky > Dec 3, 2018 11:28 PM | Report Abuse
A more mature to handle. Treat these 2 subjects as dog? When they bark, so be it? Sometimes u got surplus energy beat them a bit. I song and they cont barking. Life goes on. But I would not go great length to write up an article for dogs. So all three subjects are indeed weird. In my opinion only.

Posted by John_Lee > 2018-12-04 01:12 | Report Abuse

Sslee,

There is nothing wrong in asking questions. But one has to understand what is relevant and acceptable questioning taking into the context of the event/environment. Simply, different lines of questions for different time and place. The questions you listed for the Hengyuan AGM were not suitable for an AGM. They were more like questions a manager will ask his support personnel during department meetings.

You have to understand that posing such petty questions to Board of Directors during AGM is not only annoying, it may even be seen as disrespectful towards the BoD and also towards the event. Also, do know that it was within the rights of the BoD not to have answered you and they have been graceful to have provided you a written reply later.

Another point that I wish to highlight is that the powers of shareholders are much limited by the Companies Act 2016. Many seem to miss this point. It is hence crucial that you also seek to know the integrity and capabilities of the BoD of the company you invest in.

Posted by John_Lee > 2018-12-04 01:15 | Report Abuse

Cheoky,

I strongly suggest that you be man enough to write using your real name and not hide anonymously when you call other forumers derogatory terms.

Posted by i3lurker > 2018-12-04 01:16 | Report Abuse

////You have to understand that posing such petty questions to Board of Directors during AGM is not only annoying, it may even be seen as disrespectful towards the BoD and also towards the event. Also, do know that it was within the rights of the BoD not to have answered you and they have been graceful to have provided you a written reply later.////

I view it as disrespectful to all who are present including other shareholders too.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 01:20 | Report Abuse

even some IB analysts don't know how to get big picture and focus too much on petty stuffs......

but whether it is lousy IB analysts or SS....lousy is still lousy....how I wish the analyst community is better trained than what we get.......

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 01:31 | Report Abuse

useful and critical stuffs not easy to get in AGMs, after all, it is their day, their place, their agenda and under their direction.

if SS goes to wrong AGM even worse than before...gets hoodwinked, misled, and buy into their story.....once u have invested time in AGM, it can be a trap.


psychologically speaking, once invested time and efforts wants to get back some thing.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 01:35 | Report Abuse

and if SS go to AGM ready for war....what do u hope to achieve?

nothing, absolutely nothing, waste of time.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 01:39 | Report Abuse

I have heard of ambitious young chaps, go to AGM, impress the hell out of them , gets a job offer......ah....smart chap......

Posted by i3Value > 2018-12-04 02:00 | Report Abuse

qqq3 giving Jon Choivo idea? Write open letter look for business also can do, attend AGM no problem for him. He think he so mighty. He likely think he doing the management team a favour by attending, let them see what a real deal investor is all about. All shareholders should take leave and attend also. Opportunity of a lifetime to meet the truly great

Posted by Sslee > 2018-12-04 09:09 | Report Abuse

Dear all,
I thank CharlesT for calling me cute. qqq3, John_Lee, cheoky and i3lurker calling me weird.
I google Merriam-Webster for the meaning of cute and weird:
Definition of cute
(Entry 1 of 2)
1a : clever or shrewd often in an underhanded manner " … he's a true patriot and statesman … and a most particular cute lawyer."— Thomas Chandler Haliburton
b : impertinent, smart-alecky Don't get cute with me.

Definition of weird
(Entry 1 of 2)
1 : of strange or extraordinary character : odd, fantastic
Thank you I take this as compliment.

I subscribe to the view/believe/theory “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke. “To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men" - Abraham Lincoln

So I call out qqq3 as “a fake accountant, a fraudster, a backstabber, a bootlicker, an ass-kisser, a shameless manipulator and good for nothing low life parasite.” So what have you qqq3 to say? Didn’t your teachers or parents teach you any manner to say "Thank you” for someone telling you your faults?

Thank you

Posted by CharlesT > 2018-12-04 09:22 | Report Abuse

Cute is better than weird

Posted by Jon Choivo > 2018-12-04 09:25 | Report Abuse

I like how when someone finally treats their shares as actual stakes in the company, and act like minority owner.

People here start to deride them.

Do you know how rare it is? Do you know how much misbehaviour by management we will reduce, if everyone was like SSLEE?

Having said that, on a personal level, one can argue if that was a good use of time.

Well, we are all going to die anyway. If this gives sslee a certain additional purpose in life, and he finds meaning it. All the more power for him.

Posted by CharlesT > 2018-12-04 09:27 | Report Abuse

Frankly I will tend to support cute people like sslee

Meanwhile I admit i cant do the same like him

Posted by Jon Choivo > 2018-12-04 09:28 | Report Abuse

in the intelligent invester, ben graham used to have a chapter on shareholder activism.

But he removed out the chapter because he just didnt see how investors will ever be motivated to see their holdings as actual stakes in the company, and take on the required responsibility.

When just selling the shares, or not buying is so easy.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 09:32 | Report Abuse

ss...can an engineer have the same deep understanding of financial accounts and accounting matters and audits as I do? I don't think so.....

Posted by Fabien Extraordinaire > 2018-12-04 10:14 | Report Abuse

what sslee did is admirable. the investment community needs people like him, to raise awareness, to keep in check the management has their priority right and aligned to shareholders' interest, to create value situation for shareholders etc.

perhaps,what can be better, given sslee's limitations in certain areas, he can share his draft of questionnaires here...so that people can chip in with comments or share their views.... to improve the quality of questionnaires for it to remain effective. of which sslee actually did that last year prior to Insas AGM..

Posted by Jon Choivo > 2018-12-04 10:16 | Report Abuse

I met him. His name is cheoky.

There are 10 million john lee's. Put down your full name, along with linkedin and hp number lah?

Really is head grow in backside one.

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Posted by John_Lee > Dec 4, 2018 01:15 AM | Report Abuse

Cheoky,

I strongly suggest that you be man enough to write using your real name and not hide anonymously when you call other forumers derogatory terms.

Posted by Jon Choivo > 2018-12-04 10:20 | Report Abuse

Well the boss of IOI knows his oil palms in and out, what fertilizer is best, how best to grow and maintain, the maintainence schedule and the most efficient mix.

At the end of the day, if you think like an owner, you need to know the details.

The Agm is the only time a shareholder get to meet the ceo and board face to face and get their questions heard.

I don't see what is the problem here.

Unless of course one is an IB, with zero curiosity towards the business, but masturbates thinking about their wonderful 5 year projection that will be shown to be absolutely pointless when compared to the actual results.


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Posted by John_Lee > Dec 4, 2018 01:12 AM | Report Abuse

Sslee,

There is nothing wrong in asking questions. But one has to understand what is relevant and acceptable questioning taking into the context of the event/environment. Simply, different lines of questions for different time and place. The questions you listed for the Hengyuan AGM were not suitable for an AGM. They were more like questions a manager will ask his support personnel during department meetings.

You have to understand that posing such petty questions to Board of Directors during AGM is not only annoying, it may even be seen as disrespectful towards the BoD and also towards the event. Also, do know that it was within the rights of the BoD not to have answered you and they have been graceful to have provided you a written reply later.

Another point that I wish to highlight is that the powers of shareholders are much limited by the Companies Act 2016. Many seem to miss this point. It is hence crucial that you also seek to know the integrity and capabilities of the BoD of the company you invest in.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2018-12-04 10:23 | Report Abuse

what SSlee is doing is commendable. But like what many have pointed out, it is better to do it professionally. Asking naive questions like a Boy Scout in AGM is unproductive.

Posted by Jon Choivo > 2018-12-04 10:29 | Report Abuse

Jho Low and Najib

QQQ3 and KYY.

For a person whose only profit from the market, comes from front running KYY with maximum margin in JAKS and Sendai.

You sure talk alot.

Cost to KYY for listening to QQQ3, at least RM70mil if include sendai.

Posted by Jon Choivo > 2018-12-04 10:30 | Report Abuse

He lost more money that you can ever make in the market or fd, even if given 3 lifetimes.

You should consider a career as an investment banker.

Posted by i3Value > 2018-12-04 12:00 | Report Abuse

Jon Choivo insulting people again. Rude person.

No wonder he was so unpopular when he was at BDO Binder.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 12:03 | Report Abuse

sted by Jon Choivo > Dec 4, 2018 10:29 AM | Report Abuse

Jho Low and Najib
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really meh? I not so powerful one....

I just a trader, traders collect tips from big investors normal and smart.....

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 12:07 | Report Abuse

I just a trader, traders collect tips from big investors normal and smart.....one word of caution....tips got to be reprocessed. Big investors are also humans and to err is human,......

Posted by CharlesT > 2018-12-04 12:57 | Report Abuse

Qqq is more like a promoter...asked by master to promote jaks at high price encouraging to sialang with margin evetyday in i3

In return he got tips yo buy jaks earlier n mafe some peanuts

Posted by Sslee > 2018-12-04 13:56 | Report Abuse

Dear fake accountant qqq3,
qqq3 posted>ss...can an engineer have the same deep understanding of financial accounts and accounting matters and audits as I do? I don't think so.....
04/12/2018 09:32

LOL please read again your article below and tell me what are your understanding of financial accounts and accounting matters on Hai Duong IPP?
Jaks....emerging jewel
Author: stockmanmy | Publish date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017, 02:35 AM
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/stockman/113723.jsp

So stop your talk 3, talk 4 and cock on business sense, flexibility, good luck, random walk theory, skill, attitude, practices, habit, character, chicken trading and etc. Use your X factor, Dynamic investing, Game changer, Super investor, pivotal moment, “Sailing” and “Margin Finance” all into JAKS a one of the life time opportunity to become richer than Mr. Koon otherwise I repeat: qqq3 is the lowest of the low, the worst of the worse, horrible, distasteful, insane, disgusting, despicable, wicked and shameless person i3 have ever come across. Shame on you after you had promoted JAKS share with “Sailing” and “Margin Finance” and profited from it again and again from your “chong Ker” you still have the gut to show your face in i3, go and hide you face is some shithole.

Thank you
P/S: stockmanmy comments;
Hai Duong IPP - FCF NPV at 12% equity cost is RM 1.096 billion
value to Jaks @30% $ 329 million (or 75 sen share)
gains from EPC Contract US$ 91 million or $ 409.5 million
discounted value to Jaks $ 298 million (or 68 sen per share)
discounting a cash flow at 12% has factored in some risk elements.
The real gain is more than 75 sen and 68 sen respectively.
so, if you add current NTA $ 1.20 + .75 + .68 + X factor.,
the worth of the Company share is $ 2.63 plus X factor
correction
OF COURSE, NTA CAN ALSO BE REPLACED VALUE OF JAKS WITHOUT THE IPP + .75 + .68 + X factor.
14/01/2017 17:53
Super investors has 3 characteristics.....they receive new information, receptive to new ideas and confidence in own abilities.................................and also buy Jaks. lol
14/01/2017 19:30
IPP at matured stage is for retirement funds
Jaks at this stage is for dynamic investing.
A game changer
Like it changed Francis Yeoh's life.
14/01/2017 19:35
Indian IPP?
Indians all talk.....
But Vietnamese will go places, and this will be successful.
14/01/2017 19:59
the bankers think it is bankable...and indeed signed the financing already...
skepticism is good...but inability to take risks, you will never be super investor.
gains always come from taking good risks...and all in when you got good hands.
14/01/2017 20:20
13 chapters of Dynamic Investing....
Now, put all to good use in Jaks.
14/01/2017 20:23

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 15:27 | Report Abuse

but not bad....I promote at $1 and $ 1.40...all on the way up to $ 1.80.....I never promoted on the way down....See...I chun chun....

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 15:29 | Report Abuse

but not bad....I promote at $1 and $ 1.40...all on the way up to $ 1.80.....I never promoted on the way down....See...I chun chun....

traders can make a lot of money...I never promote buy and hold....Last 18 months, all buy and hold all mati mati.....not just Jaks....

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 15:31 | Report Abuse

but now 52.....52 can promote again........

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 17:29 | Report Abuse

ss

accountant or not...I must admit I am pretty good...if no good, long ago lost back every thing I earned on the way up.......

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 17:30 | Report Abuse

ss

but never mind...now 52 u can buy even cheaper than KYY......

Posted by Sslee > 2018-12-04 18:04 | Report Abuse

Dear fake accountant qqq3,
qqq3 posted>
CharlesT> Dec4, 2018 12:57 PM
Qqq is more like a promoter...asked by master to promote jaks at high price encouraging to sialang with margin evetyday in i3
In return he got tips yo buy jaks earlier n mafe some peanuts
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quid pro quo...Quid pro quo ("something for something" in Latin) is a Latin phrase used in English to mean an exchange of goods or services, in which one transfer is contingent upon the other; "a favour for a favour".
04/12/2018 15:25

My comment; “Coup de poing” is a French word for backstabber. “Et tu Brutus? Well, then fall Caesar…” Shakespeare’s classic line on Brutus betrayal of epic proportions who viciously stabbed Caesar to death, “Brutus will be forever remembered as the ultimate backstabber”
Mr. Koon had treated you well and yet on the other hand you had purposely setting up a trap for him to fall into and profited from it again and again. Mr. Koon fall for your PLP “quid pro quo” and not so good relationship with OTB because of your instigation and poisonous tongue attack on OTB.
Mr. Koon gets burnt in JAKS and like a true fighter; he shall rise again like a phoenix from the ashes. It is my hope that Mr. Koon can now see and realize who qqq3 is: “a fake friend, a fraudster, a backstabber, a bootlicker, an ass-kisser, a shameless manipulator and good for nothing low life parasite.” “

Thank you

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 18:09 | Report Abuse

ss.....kyy just whatsapp me the other day...."I believe I will be able to make back some money with my tested skill"

see...he is doing well....money only mah....money come and go....important is confidence is still there...fighting spirit still there.....

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 18:18 | Report Abuse

ss...lets be blunt about it...u got no case to complain......this is stock market.....and of course, it would be unrealistic to expect me to write negative stuffs on Jaks and Sendai in i3...

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 18:28 |

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Posted by kcchongnz > 2018-12-04 19:00 | Report Abuse

When SSLee sort of demanded the management of Insas in an AGM for payment of dividend, I was telling myself Thong would never give in to him.

Recently Insas declared an interim dividend of 2 sen, the highest I can remember so far.

As a shareholder of Insas, I must thank SSLee for his great effort.

Thank you.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 19:02 | Report Abuse

can I demand dividend from u then, kc.....

Posted by kcchongnz > 2018-12-04 19:19 | Report Abuse

Posted by qqq3 > Dec 4, 2018 06:32 PM | Report Abuse
one more thing....OTB is too greedy for performance.....a more responsible retail adviser would consider more portfolio theories........than his greedy for performance selections and focus.

SSLee has indeed done a good job for the minority shareholder of Insas as the management has finally listened, unlike before.

As opposed to the above character, what has he done except ridiculing everyone, except his master.

You can see his relentless personal attack on OTB, although OTB has ignored him for months already.

Every writer and contributor in i3investor is personally attacked by qqq, including me. Whereas the PLP thingy continues to go on wherever his master name is mentioned.

For me, I have no problem with his attack, as he has never able to rebuke any of my response to his attack. For his is just an empty tin kosong.

For his master, he has been drinking so much koolaid, as until today, he is still drunk. Wake up!

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 19:23 | Report Abuse

kc

what is there to wake up?

every thing that has happened in last 18 months in stock market has proven my attacks are correct and justified.....

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 19:25 | Report Abuse

kc..no one need to agree with me....what I write is my opinion....I don't attack people who disagrees with me.....no need.....people are entitled to their opinions as I am entitled to my opinion.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 19:38 |

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Posted by kcchongnz > 2018-12-04 19:45 | Report Abuse

Posted by qqq3 > Dec 4, 2018 07:23 PM | Report Abuse
kc
what is there to wake up?
every thing that has happened in last 18 months in stock market has proven my attacks are correct and justified.....

I am asking the "super investor" to wake up from your koolaid.

Look at the mirror.

1)What quali you have to attack me?
2)you said engineer can't beat you in finance and investment? Why not you open up a separate thread so that we can debate; an engineer in me, and an "accountant" in you?
3) I have all the records of investment published in i3investor, the latest ones are here,
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/183163.jsp
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/176865.jsp
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kcchongnz/177480.jsp

And many more.

What have you besides saying I bought this share at what price and sold at this price and made money? What values they give?

4)I have written and published 346 articles in value investor in i3investor so far. Yes you have also written a few. Well we can let others to judge how good you are in your writing.

5) Are you better in your investment outcome than me? Reading from what you have now, I highly doubt so.

As a matter of fact, you can even smell the fart of OTB. What are you keeping on attack him personally?

6) OTB did not recommend any stocks to sailang and margin in i3investor. Unlike you, you have been shouting sailang and margin Jaks and Sendai at RM150+ and RM1.20+ relentlessly in i3investors.

How many have lost a fortune with your behaviour? And the one who drank your koolaid have lost a bundle.

Still have the cheek to tell them that you have profit many times from Jaks?

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 19:53 | Report Abuse

kc

what? I cannot have my opinions?

too bad if it affects you....I am not responsible for u, u know?

Posted by kcchongnz > 2018-12-04 20:11 | Report Abuse

Posted by qqq3 > Dec 4, 2018 07:53 PM | Report Abuse
kc
what? I cannot have my opinions?
too bad if it affects you....I am not responsible for u, u know?


Of course you can have your opinions. Everybody should be respected of his opinion. But as a 60+ old matured person, be responsible of what you say.

It is highly irresponsible the way you personally attack OTB relentlessly. Read the articles you wrote about him.

Of course you lack the credibility and ability to put me down although you tried very hard, as I am far ahead of you in finance and investment, in humility and anything else.

As a senior citizen, it is highly irresponsible to propagate sailang, margin to the public. Look what you have done to them in Jaks and Sendai. And worse, you profit from it by doing so. That amounts to manipulating and cheating, and all the immoral thingy.

Posted by qqq3 > 2018-12-04 20:22 | Report Abuse

by kcchongnz > Dec 4, 2018 08:11 PM | Report Abuse

As a senior citizen, it is highly irresponsible to propagate sailang, margin to the public. Look what you have done to them in Jaks and Sendai. And worse, you profit from it by doing so. That amounts to manipulating and cheating, and all the immoral thingy.
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don't be silly...people make money or lose money,...nothing to do with me.....They don't even know me.....No one should seriously expect me to write negative stuffs about Jaks and Sendai knowing my friend KYY is so heavily invested in it......


All the way down from $ 1.80...I mostly just keep quiet.....

sailang margin,...whatever...not restricted to any particular counter....it can be applied to any counter.......

how much people buy...what risk they take is habit and character.....where got a few words from me can change people one?


I where got so powerful?