Posted by DickyMe > 2024-04-09 15:52 | Report Abuse

"The moral of the story is obvious. It is important for business owners not to take the easy way out by apologising for a mistake that never was. "
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Unfortunately, Chinaman's in born instinct to wiggle out of controversy and issues is to succumb to pressure or greasing the palm although it is not their fault. That instinct is based on greed for money and not based on moral values to fight for justice.

Posted by chinaman > 2024-04-09 19:17 | Report Abuse

quick apology means Putus Harapan with useless gomen who fail to protect innocent citizens. poor non muslim citizens have no one except themselves to depend on

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-09 19:25 | Report Abuse

Toxic fanaticism poses significant challenges to the cohesiveness, inclusivity, and democratic values of pluralistic societies, leading to intolerance, conflict, discrimination, and psychological harm. Efforts to promote dialogue, tolerance, education, and respect for diversity are essential in countering the detrimental consequences of toxic fanaticism in pluralistic societies.

In a pluralistic society that values diversity and mutual respect, toxic fanaticism undermines the principles of pluralism by promoting exclusivity, homogeneity, and the imposition of a single worldview. This erodes the richness and complexity of pluralistic societies, hindering social progress and harmony.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-09 19:27 | Report Abuse

And counterattack is the best defense. Go after the gang who slanders. Sue them for compensation

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 09:05 | Report Abuse

This has led to the state’s mufti Datuk Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin cautioning the public against creating unnecessary issues given that some quarters alleged that the name of the hotel resembled the word “Allah” in Arabic script.

“The (non-Muslim) owner has started to worry because many items have been printed using that name,” penned Mohd Asri in a recent Facebook post.

“I asked the objector ‘what was written by the hotel owner?’ They answered: ‘All in’. I then asked: ‘So, what’s the problem?’. They answered: “It looks like an inscription of Allah”. I said: ‘He didn’t write Allah, only you guys see it as Allah. The letters are clear - All in - not Allah.”

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 09:10 | Report Abuse

We can see taugeh forming Arabian words. Because Arabian words are curvy in comparison to Roman words. Even when I make marble cakes, I can read a few arabica words. How? Banning marble cake from being sold???

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 09:12 | Report Abuse

I caution cake houses. They better check all their cakes, whether there are a few arabica words from naturally before selling. Or else you are facing the risk of boycotting. How???

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 09:13 | Report Abuse

I caution cake houses. They better check all their cakes, whether there are a few arabica words *form naturally before selling. Or else you are facing the risk of boycotting. How???

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 09:26 | Report Abuse

It sounds like you stumbled upon an intriguing situation! To lodge a report about the words in your coffee and the taugeh forming Arabian words, you might want to contact the appropriate authorities, such as food safety agencies or local health departments. They can investigate the matter further and determine if any action needs to be taken regarding coffee drinking or marble cake sales. It's essential to provide them with as much information as possible to ensure a thorough investigation.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 09:33 | Report Abuse

I saw those words in my freshly brew coffee. Need to ban coffee drinking. How can I lodge a report?

Posted by Income > 10 minutes ago | Report Abuse

We can see taugeh forming Arabian words. Because Arabian words are curvy in comparison to Roman words. Even when I make marble cakes, I can read a few arabica words. How? Banning marble cake from being sold???

Posted by Sslee > 2024-04-10 09:36 | Report Abuse

Look at maxis logo. Can you see the A word?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 09:42 | Report Abuse

To investigate all the logos of all companies and products, jakim needs more than rm10bil funding per year- need more manpower

Look at maxis logo. Can you see the A word?

Posted by Sslee > 2024-04-10 09:45 | Report Abuse

No need manpower you just need an AI to look into all the logos of all companies and come out with the allowed and disallowed list or a boycott list.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 11:26 | Report Abuse

AI can't go around and confiscate goods to distribute to kampung folks as raya gift. Afterall 99% of the over a billion annual fund goes to salary .

Posted by Sslee > 7 minutes ago | Report Abuse

No need manpower you just need an AI to look into all the logos of all companies and come out with the allowed and disallowed list or a boycott list.

Posted by StartOfTheBull > 2024-04-10 12:20 | Report Abuse

What happen next to the 1,145 Vern shoes siezed? No news after that? Nobody questioned who can keep the shoes or return them to the shop owner as at today?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 13:34 | Report Abuse

Next they are owning up their mistake and making up for it - to pay compensation for damage to the goodwill and incovenience caused

Posted by StartOfTheBull > 40 minutes ago | Report Abuse

What happen next to the 1,145 Vern shoes siezed? No news after that? Nobody questioned who can keep the shoes or return them to the shop owner as at today?

Posted by Sslee > 2024-04-10 14:14 | Report Abuse

Since Vern' already apologise and acknowledge that there are shortcomings in the logo’s design that could lead to misinterpretation, thereby offending the feelings of many parties.
Hence what do you expect to happen next?

The question to be asked is why business owners take the easy way out by apologising for a mistake that never was. Shouldn't the busniess owners take legal action against perpetrators till their pants drop if necessary to start a precedent?


Vern’s Holding said the logo design, imprinted on the sole, “was inspired by the image of interconnected lines resembling a high-heeled shoe”.

"We acknowledge that there are shortcomings in the logo’s design that could lead to misinterpretation, thereby offending the feelings of many parties,” the statement said.

“We have absolutely no intention of designing a logo aimed at belittling or insulting any religion or belief. The management would like to humbly apologise and seek forgiveness. We hope for compassion so we can rectify this mistake,” the statement said.

Posted by icecool > 2024-04-10 14:40 | Report Abuse

if they wish to find fault, they will find one, nothing you can do about it, apologise or not.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 17:37 | Report Abuse

Absolutely. Just because neighbour complains, these officers are coming to investigate the garden in my backyard. Say pattern like khat wording with A......... can be found on the grass that I step on every morning. Fuyoh

Posted by icecool > 2 hours ago | Report Abuse

if they wish to find fault, they will find one, nothing you can do about it, apologise or not

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 21:16 | Report Abuse

StartOfTheBull
What happen next to the 1,145 Vern shoes siezed? No news after that? Nobody questioned who can keep the shoes or return them to the shop owner as at today?
10/04/2024 12:20 PM

The real problem is how to confiscate all the high heels Vern shoes already being sold to the Non? Have to check whole land one by one??? Anyone has any idea?

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 21:23 | Report Abuse

Sslee
Since Vern' already apologise and acknowledge that there are shortcomings in the logo’s design that could lead to misinterpretation, thereby offending the feelings of many parties.
Hence what do you expect to happen next?

The question to be asked is why business owners take the easy way out by apologising for a mistake that never was. Shouldn't the busniess owners take legal action against perpetrators till their pants drop if necessary to start a precedent?

Sslee Sir,
They biz owners don’t dare to not apologising (what more to say Vern wants to sue people) because They are the majority buyers… will boycott till biz owners crying non stop???

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 21:25 | Report Abuse

Sslee Sir, over there indon got these sightings issues. Or indon are too lower IQ to voice out these sightings??? Please share.

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 21:30 | Report Abuse

Ya lo, Sslee. Masis logo is Arabian word. How come 30 years already no one complain?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 21:31 | Report Abuse

Come on. Prince Charming had done that to search for Cinderella - yes, everyone in the land

Posted by Income > 11 minutes ago | Report Abuse

......Have to check whole land one by one?

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 21:38 | Report Abuse

It’s impossible to find the word in Mandarin characters. It’s easy to find Arabian words in Starbark coffee, marble cake, taugeh sellers or abstract paintings. Because Arabian words are cursive naturally. Oh no. Do I need to ask my friend to use magnifying glass to check his abstract paintings for Arabian words before exhibition to selling them?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 21:39 | Report Abuse

Absolutely. Just because neighbour complains, these officers are coming to investigate the garden in my backyard. Say pattern like khat wording with A......... can be found on the mattresses that I step on every morning. Fuyoh

Posted by Income > 20 seconds ago | Report Abuse

It’s impossible to find the word in Mandarin characters. It’s easy to find Arabian words in Starbark coffee, marble cake, taugeh sellers or abstract paintings. Because Arabian words are cursive naturally. Oh no. Do I need to ask my friend to use magnifying glass to check his abstract paintings for Arabian words before exhibition to selling them?

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 21:42 | Report Abuse

EngineeringProfit, i just realise that your thumbnail sports car pic has two green Arabian words. Please take them down. Faster lo.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 21:43 | Report Abuse

Below or above waist? If above, no problem

Posted by Income > 24 seconds ago | Report Abuse

EngineeringProfit, i just realise that your thumbnail sports car pic has two green Arabian words. Please take them down. Faster lo.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 21:45 | Report Abuse

Stop fanning this issue - gonna give them opportunity to push ahead their hidden agenda. After all, ignorance is not an excuse. Now they have found a way to force vernacular schools to hire their tens of thousands of arabic graduates from middle east to teach khatoon.

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 21:51 | Report Abuse

If everything coming to an peaceful end, that’s good. But anyway, Vern name has already becoming a famous household name. Company no need to advertise anymore.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 21:52 | Report Abuse

Of course, not. Don't insult the ultimate creator of everything - surely is in everything, everywhere after all. BIG DEAL!!

Posted by Income > 20 seconds ago | Report Abuse

.......Do I need to ask my friend to use magnifying glass to check his abstract paintings for Arabian words before exhibition to selling them?

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 22:07 | Report Abuse

Ya lo, khatoon will be compulsory for all after this because to educate all people of Arabian words. So that Non will have no more excuses not knowing about Arabian words. Betul?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 22:09 | Report Abuse

Yes, and jakim will need triple of current funding because all the logos, brands and designs will need to apply for its approval

Posted by Income > 1 minute ago | Report Abuse

Ya lo, khatoon will be compulsory for all after this because to educate all people of Arabian words. So that Non will have no more excuses not knowing about Arabian words. Betul?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 22:10 | Report Abuse

And zero unemployment rate for the mm then....only NM got unemployment....hehe

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 22:11 | Report Abuse

Stop fanning this issue - gonna give them opportunity to push ahead their hidden agenda.

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 22:12 | Report Abuse

Above waist also provocative because of kena the twin meatballs. Please take them down. Faster lo


EngineeringProfit
Below or above waist? If above, no problem

Posted by Income > 24 seconds ago | Report Abuse

EngineeringProfit, i just realise that your thumbnail sports car pic has two green Arabian words. Please take them down. Faster lo.
10/04/2024 9:43 PM

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 22:13 | Report Abuse

Stop fanning this issue - gonna give them opportunity to push ahead their hidden agenda.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 22:14 | Report Abuse

In the realm of cheap poliTIKUSing, where human errors are magnified, and flames fan the fires of an intolerant, unforgiving, and insane community, the lines between truth and manipulation blur into a dangerous dance of rhetoric and deceit.

Posted by Income > 2024-04-10 22:19 | Report Abuse

Barang mahal wei, bila nak settle. Mana isu kos hidup Tak boleh rakyat tanggung lagi. Tenggelam ?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 22:27 | Report Abuse

That's too complicated, dear. 21st century challenges, huh? We are still struggling to ensure everyone believe, respect and conform to a medieval ideology, system and education - DON'T YOU GET IT!? And you expect contemporary problems of new millennium to be addressed and solved by using caveman's formulae???

Posted by Income > 1 minute ago | Report Abuse

Barang mahal wei, bila nak settle. Mana isu kos hidup Tak boleh rakyat tanggung lagi. Tenggelam ?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 22:29 | Report Abuse

Please have the patience to let us take it one step at a time.

Firstly, we are focussing on implementing the old system effectively

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-10 22:42 | Report Abuse

And so on so forth.....

And you expect us to just jump to face and solve the postmodern days' problems? And plan ahead into the future of AI and IR5.0????

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-11 04:32 | Report Abuse

Please learn to be patient. Not until we are totally burnt out by stirring up, reviving and reliving all the suffering, delusions, problems and challenges of the medieval past, we will not chart a course towards a brighter future.

Posted by Income > 1 minute ago | Report Abuse

Barang mahal wei, bila nak settle. Mana isu kos hidup Tak boleh rakyat tanggung lagi. Tenggelam ?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-11 07:38 | Report Abuse

Please have the patience to let us take it one step at a time.

Firstly, we are focussing on implementing the obsolete medieval past system effectively

Secondly, we have not indulged enough in arguing over issues, delusions and ideology faced by the medieval past

Thirdly, we are currently too overwhelmed, obsessed and occupied with these many local successful businessmen who challenge our creator in their many creative ways that you could ever imagine

Posted by Sslee > 2024-04-11 08:24 | Report Abuse

Indonesia’s largest Islamic group says non-Muslims shouldn’t be called ‘kafir’
Bloomberg
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03 Mar 2019, 08:01 PM
140 million-strong Nahdlatul Ulama says non-Muslim citizens have equal standing in state affairs.

Posted by Sslee > 2024-04-11 08:28 | Report Abuse

JAKARTA: Indonesia’s largest Islamic organisation, Nahdlatul Ulama, has issued a call to end the usage of the term “kafir”, or infidel, to refer to non-Muslims in state or citizenship matters, a move that may be aimed at calming religious tensions ahead of the presidential election.

Nahdlatul Ulama, with around 140 million members, said at its recent National Conference that non-Muslims shouldn’t be referred to as “kafir” as they have equal standing in state affairs.

The conference concluded non-Muslims should be referred to as “muwathin,” or citizens with the same rights and obligations as Muslim Indonesians, according to Ahmad Muntaha, secretary of Nahdlatul Ulama’s East Java Ulama Assembly.

Muntaha said in a statement published on the group’s website on Friday that a Muslim shouldn’t address non-Muslims as “kafir” in any social context.

The conference also emphasised that as a state, Indonesia wasn’t established by Muslims only, the statement said.

Posted by Sslee > 2024-04-11 08:39 | Report Abuse

Religious harmony in Indonesia
While Muslims make up 87 percent of the Indonesian population, Islam is not the country’s official religion. Instead, Indonesia highly values religious harmony, encapsulated in a state philosophy known as Pancasila, and its Constitution guarantees freedom of religion.

For both Muslim and Christian Indonesians, Allah has been used as the word for God for centuries. The Arabic word first spread to Southeast Asia in the 1100s as Muslim sultanates were established, and then was incorporated into the Malay language family, which includes Malaysian and Indonesian.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-11 08:44 | Report Abuse

Toxic fanaticism poses significant challenges to the cohesiveness, inclusivity, and democratic values of pluralistic societies, leading to intolerance, conflict, discrimination, and psychological harm. Efforts to promote dialogue, tolerance, education, and respect for diversity are essential in countering the detrimental consequences of toxic fanaticism in pluralistic societies.

In a pluralistic society that values diversity and mutual respect, toxic fanaticism undermines the principles of pluralism by promoting exclusivity, homogeneity, and the imposition of a single worldview. This erodes the richness and complexity of pluralistic societies, hindering social progress and harmony.

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-11 09:22 | Report Abuse

Certain ruthlessly uncivilised terms and concepts will radicalise and poison children's mind for life?

Posted by EngineeringProfit > 2024-04-11 09:28 | Report Abuse

As we fail to leave behind the darkness of antiquity and embracing the brilliance of a future unbound by the constraints of the medieval past, we'll neither be navigating the caverns of reform effectively; not illuminating the path forward with the torch of progress,