Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 00:23 | Report Abuse

this is the world we live in

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/grant-williams-crazy-presentation-debt-000000190.html

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 01:03 | Report Abuse

where crazy is normal

normal is crazy

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 01:04 | Report Abuse

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/grant-williams-crazy-presentation-debt-000000190.html

Posted by cheoky > 2016-07-11 01:18 | Report Abuse

stock market is stock market, share is a ownership of the biz. Two different things. In my humble opinion, if you are in the capability of perhaps George Soros or equivalent, your view is applicable. But sometimes he lost too. How to extract the key & real information in these flood of information to arrive at your mentioned parameters? Otherwise, value investing seems plain and easier for a layman like me. Wonder if I am George Soros, I still want to ply around i3.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 01:28 | Report Abuse

cheoky

in a world which you see earnings coming down for 3 quarters and shares are holding at PE 24.....that is not value investing.....

that is some thing you have no experience and you are never taught.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 01:46 | Report Abuse

cheoky

whatever it is....it is not value investing.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 02:03 | Report Abuse

every thing is turned upside down
nothing makes sense.

at least not in the classical sense nor even logical anymore.

for details, watch the video.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/grant-williams-crazy-presentation-debt-000000190.html

Posted by Icon8888 > 2016-07-11 04:42 | Report Abuse

hmmm ... How about buying AAX at 25 sen after it's strong December 2015 quarterly result ? Isn't that value investing ?

Posted by Amit Khindriya > 2016-07-11 07:36 | Report Abuse

@stockmanmy - you so silly !

Posted by miemie > 2016-07-11 08:02 | Report Abuse

who doesn't know about the macro-economics which affect money movement? and, your article is completely rubbish and pointless.

Posted by Ricky Yeo > 2016-07-11 08:57 | Report Abuse

"how do you reconcile the above two facts?" - I dont have to answer for what others paid.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 10:26 | Report Abuse

but who would want to own a business with falling profits and pay a higher and higher price?

the model they teach you is totally wrong.



cheoky > Jul 11, 2016 01:18 AM | Report Abuse

stock market is stock market, share is a ownership of the biz

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 10:28 | Report Abuse

I got plenty more to say about value investing or " what is wrong with value investing"


Ricky Yeo > Jul 11, 2016 08:57 AM | Report Abuse

"how do you reconcile the above two facts?" - I dont have to answer for what others paid.

Posted by fung9815 > 2016-07-11 10:51 | Report Abuse

Ricky Yeo - "how do you reconcile the above two facts?" - I dont have to answer for what others paid.

Nice Ricky, you sum everything up :D

Posted by stockraider > 2016-07-11 11:01 |

Post removed.Why?

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 12:30 | Report Abuse

Democracy is the worse form of government except for all the rest

Stock market is the worse form of investment except for all the rest.

Well....stock market is indeed the worse form of investment many people have faced in their life.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 12:35 | Report Abuse

The biggest lie is to tell people buying a share you are buying a part of a business.

Value investing as a force in the stock market is negligible.


All the volume done, all the trades , are because people are looking for a place to park their money and or to speculate.

Posted by Ricky Yeo > 2016-07-11 19:29 | Report Abuse

didnt know you need a force to be reckon with to make money in market

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 22:28 | Report Abuse

ricky
nothing moves without a force.

now...who go flagging my posts?
show yourself.

the biggest lie of the stockmarket is you become part owner.

and actually nobody buys shares to be a part owner...or very very few.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 22:34 | Report Abuse

does anybody care about being part owner?
do fund managers care?

they just wanted a place to park their money.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 22:39 | Report Abuse

one chart to rule them all.

the above video is the one video that rules them all

the most complete, most accurate commentary I have ever come across.

Posted by Up_down > 2016-07-11 23:00 | Report Abuse

" 人是活的 书是死的。活人读死书 可以把书读活。死书读活人 可以把人读死。" what important is to maintain a flexibility in application of your knowledge in value investing or trading to suit the market conditions.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 23:12 | Report Abuse

value investing is dead.
Died a long time ago.

they only think they are doing value investing.

Posted by Up_down > 2016-07-11 23:32 | Report Abuse

what is ‘value‘? your shit is a waste to you but it could be valuable to others ie plants or business in operating water treatment plant. ‘ Value‘ is impermanance and very personal. a thing may be useless now but it could be valuable when conditions has changed.

Posted by Up_down > 2016-07-11 23:43 | Report Abuse

‘value‘ of a stock is very personal too. The shark valued Genetec at 30 cents when its top and bottom lines was growing. share price would certainly drop to low level when the value of "top and bottom lines growing " vanished...nobody wanted to offer higher value of the company.

Posted by Up_down > 2016-07-11 23:53 | Report Abuse

There are a lot of opportunity available in the share market if we undertand ‘value‘ of a company is impermanance....looking at the both sides of a matter...good bad, high low,.... value of a share is merely determined by fear and greed of human.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-11 23:57 | Report Abuse

not 1% of the trades is value investing yet 13 pays 100% to the 1% and ignores the other 99%.




OptimusPrime_ > Jul 11, 2016 11:21 PM | Report Abuse

Find value nowadays is like finding a virgin in maternity ward.

Posted by Up_down > 2016-07-12 00:00 | Report Abuse

End my talk coc...need to update the ‘value‘ of my watchlist. wakaka

Posted by stockraider > 2016-07-12 00:44 | Report Abuse

Quote from: Oly Shyte on Yesterday at 11:38:44 AM

This argument lagi easy loh! What drive a stock price up? Operator inside loh! :D

Raider comment,
AGAIN OPERATOR IS SHORT TERM MAH...!!
How many of u all know any of the operator really well leh ?

Even u know them...do u think they will favour u in stock play ?

Raider can daring say ...most of u all...do not know any ?
Even if some of u know....they would not favour u loh....!!
This practical life mah.....!!

If that is the case...what the heck, u are interested of the market ?
IF U FOLLOW THE RUMOR, THE STOCKS RIGGED BY THE OPERATORS...MOST OF THE TIME.. LOSE MONIES loh...IT IS SOMETHING LIKE GAMBLING LOH...!!
AND IT IS A LOSER GAME mah.....!!

THATS WHY RAIDER SAY U NEED TO BE AN INTELLIGENT INVESTOR MAH....!!
BUY WITH MARGIN OF SAFETY....FORGET WHAT THE OPERATOR WILL DO LOH....!!
GO FOR FUNDAMENTAL, PROSPECT AND UNDERVALUATION, THE LONG TERM SURVIVAL KIT MAH...!!

RAIDER HAD SAY MANY TIME MARGIN OF SAFETY....HOPE U GET THE MESSAGE THRU...!!
DO NOT PLAY THE LOSER GAME....RIG BY THE OPERATOR LOH...!!

Posted by Ricky Yeo > 2016-07-12 06:03 | Report Abuse

you are right, if everyone practice value investing i would be the first to declare it is dead. The fact that value investing is a minority group as you mentioned, that's how it will continue to work. And need to thank you too for creating the volume. So keep doing at what you are doing.

Posted by Up_down > 2016-07-12 09:43 | Report Abuse

Some have earned a lot of money through practicing value investing whereas many were suffering losses. If you are a value investor, don't go beyond boundaries of having a thought making fast money. Value investing gives one the edge over others in longer term. If you want to make quick bucks then go for growth stocks but nothing comes with free lunch lor. You got to work hard and work smart to discover it early. If you want to make a quick profit and yet not willing to work hard and work smart, you can probably find a better chance of winning in Genting.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-12 12:04 | Report Abuse

value investing my foot.

S&P PE at 24, three Quarters of declining earnings.

value investing my foot.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-12 12:07 | Report Abuse

value is not what they company has
but value is what the company do with what it has

and for the rest of us....value is finding a place to park money at the correct risk - reward ratio.

Posted by Up_down > 2016-07-12 12:21 | Report Abuse

Go ahead to claim what you want to dumb down value investing. it doesn‘t affect me making money anyway. In fact, i am more happy to learn that.....our feeding ground is expabding the more you preach to newbies.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-12 12:37 | Report Abuse

value investing my foot.

if you want to make a difference.

go all-in at the appropriate time....and pray..and do some charity to increase your luck

if you have 10 different stocks and one of them up 10%...........................you have just made a grand total of 1%.....value investing, my foot. Wasting everybody's time.

Posted by Ricky Yeo > 2016-07-12 12:42 | Report Abuse

oh yes i love wasting time. I love to sit there and do nothing while i watch lemmings in and out

Posted by Up_down > 2016-07-12 12:54 | Report Abuse

Go to open new thread to spread the pitfall of value investing. Please back with your research with more facts this and that to convince newbies ..i support you. lol

Posted by r°Moi > 2016-07-12 12:56 | Report Abuse

Ratios and formulas in value investing are still relevant... just that their validity period.. expiry date... shelf life... are getting shorter... that is why you seen the price coming down while the ratios formulas still ok


With the advance of the Internet.. and the easy availability of information nowadays... the validity period of value investings ratios.. formulas.. is now in quaterly... weekly.. even daily basis... as such appears not relevant..

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-12 13:05 | Report Abuse

Ratios and formulas in value investing are still relevant..
relevant my foot.

there is this thing called selective memory.

people think it works because there is thing called selective memory.... . its selective memory.

in reality, cheap can get cheaper and expensive can get expensive just as often.

what appears value and beautiful is just appearance until it starts dropping and you get to see the ugliness in the former beauty.

Posted by r°Moi > 2016-07-12 13:13 | Report Abuse

Chinwel... would be your real life bitter experience with the failure if the ratios and formulas??

Posted by r°Moi > 2016-07-12 13:16 | Report Abuse

Ratios.. formulas... still relevant.. just that nowadays people are updating them with industry data.. financial models... seats statistics.. long before the release of the actual results

You wait till the actual results.. already way too late...

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-12 15:05 | Report Abuse

in America

S&P PE at 24, five Quarters of declining earnings. ...but index at record high.

if there is such a thing as value investing, surely index cannot be at record after 5 quarters of declining earnings.

Posted by stockraider > 2016-07-12 15:17 | Report Abuse

This is wrong interpretation loh....!!
PE 24 means about 4% pa earnings yield mah...!!
The 30 years bond interest rate about 2.3% pa loh...!!
Bond 1 yr interest less than 0.5% pa....mah.....!!

Therefore PE 24x for USA looks not overvalue mah....!!

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-12 15:19 | Report Abuse

value investing my foot.

in Spain, sovereign bond yields at 1%...that is 500 years low. Just a few years ago, they call it a PIGS country with double digit bond yields.

Posted by stockraider > 2016-07-12 15:23 | Report Abuse

That's why stock interest rate are relative mah....!!
Low interest rate ....European equity doing reasonably well despite brexit loh....!!

Btw...spain no longer double digit bond yield it is about 6% pa for a 10 yr bond loh....!!

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-12 15:37 | Report Abuse

value investing my foot.

it is fund managers finding a place to park all the excess moneys printed by central banks.

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-12 15:43 | Report Abuse

but some thing odd happened in Japan this year.......

Abe announced negative interest rates.... yen surged and equity drop sharply

currency market and stock market both decided to give two fingers to the central bankers.


I think we are on to something and years later , books will be written about the world's experiments by these central bankers.

value investing my foot.

Posted by stockraider > 2016-07-12 15:53 | Report Abuse

Again Japan....is short term movement....the voting machine story loh....!!
3 yrs down the road...people will be sorry....by defying economics chasing yen mah....!!

Raider still remember few yrs back yen is super strong at 85 yen to US 1 mah.......!!

Posted by stockmanmy > 2016-07-12 15:59 | Report Abuse

there is no value investing.

there is only funds looking for a place to park their money.

Posted by Ricky Yeo > 2016-07-12 17:22 | Report Abuse

he lost it