Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-06 13:28 | Report Abuse

Manipulation


Sell pricey stocks to punters

This is the stock manipulation scheme that punters are familiar with. A syndicate gets a block of shares of say, two million from a major shareholder and churns a daily trading volume of say, five million shares. This is done by buying and selling the same shares over and over again by syndicate members and their nominees.

The churning is done in such a way that the share price goes up every day, irrespective of sentiment on the market.
The trading activity and rising price momentum gets the attention of punters. The more experienced punters usually recognise the share price is being ramped up. Nonetheless, they pile in to make a fast buck, and hopefully get out before the syndicate withdraws support for the share price.

There will be, however, punters who are newer to the game or have more greed and they stay too long in the stock. When the syndicate sells out within a day or two, usually causing the stock to trade limit-down, punters lose their shirt.

The profits of the syndicate are shared with the company's major shareholder. Usually, this involves companies that are loss-making in their business. Ramping becomes the only way the major shareholder can make a profit.

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-06 14:43 |

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Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-06 18:16 | Report Abuse

Basic facts of stock market operators are listed below for your reference.



They work individually or in a group.


They rely on the market trends to help them in their mission.


The general publics are their big customers.


They together work with the public listed company owners or insiders.


They have a main mission objective to accomplish.
The bulk of their operation revolved around the accumulation and the distribution of stocks from / to the general publics.


They are rich and powerful figures but they are also humans that have emotions like all of us.


They have extensive credit facilities and lower transaction costs than the retail investors.


They do make mistakes like any one of us. Their mistake costs millions in dollars.

Market news, stock market analyst, corporate announcements, word of mouth advertising, price bidding and order queues are some of their tricks and tools that they used to achieve their main objective.


They don?t try to pick the bottom or the top like most retail investors do. Again, some of them try to do this and it costs them much sorrow and dismay.


They do attempt to manipulate the chart to trick the chartist whether you like it or not.


They are both the buyer and seller in the queue order at any given time.


They are not doing charity work. They existed to make your money.

It is important to understand them well as they are big volume buyers and sellers. They can tilt the balance of demand and supply.



Understanding the above traits of stock market operators will help to clear some of the myths that we have of them. Remember, they are humans like us. Some of the above points deserved to be elaborated further to bring out the secrets of trading methodologies that we will employ in our technical analysis.

Posted by stockraider > 2019-03-06 18:24 | Report Abuse

Remember Margin of safety theory that cheap & poor quality stock can have big margin of safety and big profit making opportunity if u bought at Great undervalue prices loh...!!

Just Remember feather can fly with the slight blow of wind mah...thus penny stock with big margin of safety is great profit making opportunity loh....!!

Also remember wonderful quality co....bought at very expensive price could be a bad investment preposition- Quote Warren Buffet loh...!!

Posted by 3iii > Mar 3, 2019 04:59 PM | Report Abuse

There is no price low enough to make a poor quality company a good investment.

If you're in doubt about the quality of a company as an investment, abandon the study and look for another candidate.

When in doubt, throw it out.

Abandon your study and go on to another. There is no price low enough to make a poor quality company a good investment.

The worse a company performs, the better value its stock will appear to be.

Because declining fundamentals will prompt a company's shareholders to sell, the price will decline. This will cause all the value indicators to show that the price has become a bargain. It's not!
When the stock is selling at a price below that for which it has customarily sold, you will want to check to see why - what current investors know that you don't.

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Posted by stockraider > 2019-03-06 19:46 | Report Abuse

This 3iii until now, still do not understand margin of safety, it is totally different from quality stock loh...!!

Say a penny stock like sapnrg at Rm 0.32....but its intrinsic value at Rm 0.90, there is huge margin of safety in sapnrg loh...!!

A quality stock like Nestle Rm 147.50 PE 50x overvalue....no margin of safety mah.....!!
Thus u cannot profit from overvalue stock loh...!! U need to wait wait n wait for the fundamental to catch price....that means long wait mah..!!

Always buy with big margin of safety loh...!!

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-10 05:28 | Report Abuse

Growth versus Value: Why invest unless you see value?



Growth companies are those that are growing sales and earnings every year.

Value companies are trading at low prices. These low prices are usually the result of tough times at the company but occasionally just because the market's a weird place.

Often, the best growth investments are smaller companies.

The best value plays are usually large companies. Not always, but most of the time.




Growth companies:

The PEs of growth companies tend to fluctuate hugely. When the growth slowed or the companies hit a rough patch, the shares of growth companies can fall by a large amount.

Can you spot these companies in the early stages of their growth paths?



Value companies:

Large good companies were selling at bargain prices during the recent global financial crisis in 2008/2009. These companies are "safe" to buy during these periods when they are undervalued. They usually will rebound during recovery of the market. Some companies met some headwind or rough patch during their financial year and their share prices were sold down hugely, offering bargain prices for the savvy investors.

Did you spot the values in these times in these stocks?
Did you seize these opportunities or were you seized by fear of loss and the unknown?



The division between growth and value companies is not always clear-cut.
Many can also be classified as stocks that have business growth selling at reasonable prices (GARP).
Another phenomenon to note is that investors tend to invest into value companies when they also starting to show some growth in their business.
Similarly, investors buy into growth companies at the point when they are starting to show some value. :-)



Therefore, growth and value investing are basically two sides of the same coin. They are joined at the hip, according to Buffett.

Above all else, why invest unless you see value in either?

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-10 05:39 | Report Abuse

The three fundamental truths of a bear market.

1.) A bear market is only bad if you plan on selling your stock or need your money immediately.
2.) Falling stock prices and depressed markets are the friends of the long-term investor.
3.) You must learn to separate the stock price from the underlying business. They have very little to do with each other over the short-term.



So what do I do with my money in a bear market?

The first thing you need to do is to look for companies and funds that are going to be fine ten or twenty years down the road. If the market crashed tomorrow and caused Gillette's stock price to fall 30%, people are still going to buy razors. The basics of the business haven't changed.

When you understand this, you will see falling stock markets like a clearance sale at your favorite furniture store... load up on it while you can, because before long, the prices will go back up to normal levels.

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-10 08:21 | Report Abuse

Market manipulation


Market manipulation describes a deliberate attempt to interfere with the free and fair operation of the market and create artificial, false or misleading appearances with respect to the price of, or market for, a security, commodity or currency.

Market manipulation are transactions which create an artificial price or maintain an artificial price for a tradeable security.

Examples

Pools: "Agreements, often written, among a group of traders to delegate authority to a single manager to trade in a specific stock for a specific period of time and then to share in the resulting profits or losses."

Churning: "When a trader places both buy and sell orders at about the same price. The increase in activity is intended to attract additional investors, and increase the price."

Runs: "When a group of traders create activity or rumors in order to drive the price of a security up." An example is the Guinness share-trading fraud of the 1980s. In the US, this activity is usually referred to as painting the tape.

Ramping (the market): "Actions designed to artificially raise the market price of listed securities and to give the impression of voluminous trading, in order to make a quick profit."

Wash trade: "Selling and repurchasing the same or substantially the same security for the purpose of generating activity and increasing the price"

Bear raid: "Attempting to push the price of a stock down by heavy selling or short selling."

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-11 07:36 | Report Abuse

You desire high returns. You want to avoid big losses.

All investors must balance risk versus return.

Hot tips are offered by media, friends, promoters, bloggers, manipulators, and others.

Did you notice that they never tell you how much risk you are taking by acting on them.

Yet, and yes, risk matters - as much as the return.

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-11 23:02 | Report Abuse

https://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/forum/905107154.jsp

Deep Value Investing has its Inherent Problems. Just ask Calvin and Raider.

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-13 08:13 | Report Abuse

Don't worry about missing the Next New Thing. Avoiding mistakes and danger zones is more important for long term investment performance.

Posted by Icon8888 > 2019-03-14 21:49 | Report Abuse

hi, how is Mr. Buffalo ?

Posted by stockraider > 2019-03-14 21:52 | Report Abuse

THE BEST INVESTMENT STRATEGY IS THAT U BET WITH LOW RISK AND WITH VERY HIGH POTENTIAL RETURN LOH.....!!

SAPNRG IS THE BEST PICK BCOS IT MAKE ITS OWN FUTURE MAH....!!

WHY LEH ??

1. SAPNRG HAS OIL EQUIPMENT N MACHINE WHICH CAN DO VERY COMPLICATED JOBS, IT IS THIS REASONS IT HAS RM 19 BILLION CONTRACT IN HAND TODATE AND THIS IS BASING ON ONLY 50% OF ITS CAPACITY UTILIZATION LOH...!!
SAPNRG STILL HAS BALANCE CAPACITY TO TAKE UP ANOTHER RM 20 BILLION MORE JOBS LOH.......!!

2. UNLIKE OTHER OIL & GAS COMPANY SAPNRG IS ACTUALLY A MINI PETRONAS...BESIDE IT CAN DO SERVICES AND CONTRACT, IT HAS ITS OWN MANY OIL FIELDS THAT IS VERY RICH IN DEPOSITS AND CAN CONTRIBUTE STRAIGHT TO SAPNRG BOTTOM LINE AND GROWTH VERY QUICKLY....THRU ANYTIME INCREASING ITS OIL EXTRACTION... VERY QUICKLY IS NOT A PROBLEM

3. IT IS EXPECTED SAPNRG OWN INTERNAL OIL FIELD WORKS CAN CONTRIBUTE AT LEAST RM 4 BILLION OF CONTRACTS TO SAPNRG PA....THATS THE REASONS WHY RAIDER SAYS SAPNRG...ORDER BOOKS IS INCREASING AND GROWING EVERYDAY AND MINUTES, BCOS OF THIS OWN INTERNAL WORKS THAT CAN FLOW IN ANYTIME LOH....!!

THE BOOMING OIL CONDITIONS WILL KICK START SAPNRG RECOVERY FROM BEING A PENNY STOCKS OF RM 0.34 TO ITS RIGHTFUL ORIGINAL POSITION OF A PRECIOUS BLUECHIPS AT RM 3.00 GIVING IT MKT CAP OF RM 70 BILLION LOH...!!

SAPNRG HAVE THE FOLLOWING MOST IMPORTANT ALLIES LOH...!!

1. PETRONAS ...THEY HAS AWARDED THE MOST CONTRACT TO SAPNRG COMPARE TO ANY OTHER OIL & GAS LISTED CO IN MSIA.

2. OMV ITS REPUTABLE JOINT VENTURE PARTNER..THAT INVOLVE WITH HUGE OIL EXTRACTION AND OILFIELD RESERVES ENHANCEMENT ASSETS...THAT WILL INCREASE ITS REVENUE AND REDUCE THE COST OF PER BARREL OF OIL LOH...!!

3.PNB WHICH PROVIDE CORPORATE ADVISORY, FUNDING REQUIREMENT AND GOOD CORPORATE GOVERNANCE, THUS SAFEGUARDING THE MINORITY SHAREHOLDERS.

WITH THIS IN PLACE WE ARE PRETTY SURE & SAFE THAT SAPNRG WILL GROW EXPONENTIALLY AND SUSTAINABLY...THATS WHY RAIDER SAYS ALL OUT SAILANG ON SAPNRG, WHEN IT IS VERY CHEAP MAH....!!

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Posted by stockraider > 2019-03-14 22:01 | Report Abuse

WHY RAIDER SO BULLISH ON SAPNRG?
BECAUSE IT OWNS THE NEWEST & MOST EXPENSIVE VALUABLE OIL & GAS ASSETS IN THE FORM OF OIL RIGS AND DRILLING MACHINSE.

IN ADDITION SAPNRG OIL FIELD IS HIGHLY RICH, WITH OIL & GAS DEPOSITS AND EXTRACTION COST ARE REASONABLY LOW...!!

THE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH OF SAPNRG WILL COME FROM OIL & GAS CONTRACTS AWARDS TO SAPNRG EXPECTED TO REACH RM 30 BILLION FROM CURRENT RM 19.3 BILLION.

MOST IMPORTANTLY THE MARGIN OF THE CONTRACT IS PRETTY DECENT LOH...!!

SAPNRG ARE EXPECTED TO ACHIEVE PROFIT OF RM 3.0 TO RM 5.0 BILLION WITHIN NEXT 3 YRS WHICH IS BEYOND THE IMAGINATIONS OF MOST INVESTORS LOH...!!

THUS THE MKT CAPITALIZATION OF AROUND RM 70 BILLION OR RM 3.00 PER SHARE IS WITHIN SAPNRG REACH LOH....!!

Posted by stockraider > 2019-03-14 22:13 | Report Abuse

U need to stick to champion mkt leader stock in the O&G industry to ensure longterm sustainability loh...!!

What are the champion mkt leader stock in the Oil & Gas Industry leh ??

There are 2 chun chun abang adik stock loh ??

1 It is Velesto with TP Rm 2.00 over 3 yrs 3 mths now only 30.5 sen.

2. Sapnrg with Tp Rm 3.00 over 3 yrs 3 mths now only 34 sen mah...!!

Both of these leaders are owned by PNB and had undergone massive restructuring to strengthen its financial & viability loh...!!

Yes u can jump to other oil & gas stock....but most have gone up alot ,furthermore their sprint up are short term and not sustainable loh...!!

Just stick to quality and undervalue the twin very important point for strong sustain gain loh.....!!

Posted by stockraider > 2019-03-14 23:21 | Report Abuse

Do not over concentrate your investment loh....!!

Good overvalue co like Nestle can run into trouble mah....!!

Posted by witchjaz > Mar 14, 2019 10:15 PM | Report Abuse

KUALA LUMPUR (March 14): A wholly-owned unit of Nestle (Malaysia) Bhd has been sued for RM139.34 million by Mad Labs Sdn Bhd over the allegedly unauthorised and/or unlawful use of the latter's QR code on Nestle’s products and packaging.

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-15 09:40 | Report Abuse

Is this a fundamental problem that Nestle cannot resolve?

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Posted by stockraider > 2019-03-16 11:36 | Report Abuse

CORRECTLOH JUST LOOK AT GENERAL RAIDER CALL ON SAPNRG VERY TRUE MAH...!!
U NEED TO BE SMART AND HAVE SPECIAL HARDWORKING TRAINING IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL LOH....!!

Lessons from – “The Five Rules for Successful Stock Investing” by Pat Dorsey. Pat Dorsey is the Director of Stock Analysis at Morningstar.

· Picking individual stocks requires hard work,discipline and an investment of time (and money). SAPNRG IS NOT CHINCHAI MAH..IT IS MONTHS AND MONTHS OF INTENSIVE RESEARCH DONE VERY CAREFULLY TO GUARANTEE GREAT SUCCESSFUL BUY LOH...!!

· You need patience, an understanding of accounting and competitive strategy and a healthy dose of skepticism . THIS TRUE LOH...RAIDER CAN ASK U TO BUY RM O.30 AND THEN ASK YOU TO SELL RM 0.365 WITHIN 1 MTH AND MAKE 20%, BUT RAIDER DON DO THAT BCOS RAIDER KNOW SUCCESSFUL MAJOR KILLING IN STOCK MARKET, NEED TIME TO DEVELOP, THATS WHY RAIDER ASK U TO KEEP LONG TERM AT LEAST 3 YRS AND 3 MTHS.

· Buying stock means part ownership in a business .YES SAPNRG U ARE OWNING AN OIL N GAS BUSINESS, ALOT OF PRODUCTS NEED THIS RAW MATERIAL INPUT LOH....THUS DEMAND IS CONFIRMED LOH...!!

· Courage of conviction. U JUST LOOK AT RAIDER BOLD CONVICTION AND SAILANG CONVICTION WITH TP POTENTIAL 3.00, AND HOLD LONGTERM WITHOUT WAVERING EVEN MKT SELLDOWN...U WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT IS COURAGE & CONVICTION ABOUT LOH.

· Companies with most conflict of opinion are often best investments ( think contrarian). CORFRECTLOH ALOT OF PEOPLE ARGUE AND BELITTLE RAIDER SAPNRG PICK, BUT RAIDER JUST STANDBY WITH THE GREAT CONVICTION OF SAPNRG SUREWIN, WITHOUT ANY FEAR....BCOS RAIDER KNOW....THIS IS THE BEST PICK U CAN EVER FIND MAH..!!

EXACTLY SIMILIAR TO RAIDER MARGIN OF SAFETY APPROACH
Core principles of investing
o Doing your homework
o Finding companies with strong competitive advantages
o Having a margin of safety
o Holding for the long term
o Knowing when to sell

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-17 18:14 | Report Abuse

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kianweiaritcles/197862.jsp
Deep Value Investing has its Inherent Problems

Posted by (70B-SAPNRG-3Yrs) Philip > 2019-03-17 18:20 | Report Abuse

Stoneraider really likes to argue for the sake of arguing, if in 3 years 3 months his sapura doesn't reach rm3, will stoneraider shut up forever?

>>>>>

Do not over concentrate your investment loh....!!

Good overvalue co like Nestle can run into trouble mah....!!

Posted by witchjaz > Mar 14, 2019 10:15 PM | Report Abuse

KUALA LUMPUR (March 14): A wholly-owned unit of Nestle (Malaysia) Bhd has been sued for RM139.34 million by Mad Labs Sdn Bhd over the allegedly unauthorised and/or unlawful use of the latter's QR code on Nestle’s products and packaging.

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-17 18:41 | Report Abuse

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kianweiaritcles/197992.jsp
Checklist for Buying Good Companies at Reasonable Prices

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Posted by Heavenly PUNTER > 2019-03-18 22:32 | Report Abuse

raider unker stop with your sapura, it's a heavily debt laden company, sailang will kill people de

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-20 18:47 | Report Abuse

Worldly wisdom

To be wise, one must also have experience, common sense and good judgement. How one actually applies these things in life is what makes a person wise.

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-20 18:56 | Report Abuse

Why not to invest into company gruesome?

It was a lousy business that was not worth putting any new capital into, because it would never generate more return on capital investment than alternative investments available to you.

When you paid too much for a gruesome company or bought a gruesome company, it was a mistake.

Buying another gruesome company was also a big dollar mistake, especially when not making sure the business had a moat and being too focused on what you thought was an attractive purchase price. What you assessed as durable competitive advantage vanished within a few years.

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-20 21:24 | Report Abuse

It is hard to think on a long-term basis when you are just getting started or are starting over.

Accumulating "the first $100,000 is a bitch." (Charlie Munger)

Not only is it not fun, it is a handicap to live on the edge of financial ruin. That is reason enough to work hard to assemble a basic financial cushion.


In the long term, the power of compounding becomes ever more evident.

Posted by stockraider > 2019-03-20 22:02 | Report Abuse

ENOUGH LAH...THIS 3iii REPEATING SAME OLD RUBBISH NONSENSE LOH...!!

LET RAIDER REFUTE EVERY OF HIS ONE SIDED STUPID COMMENT LOH..!!

Posted by 3iii > Mar 20, 2019 06:47 PM | Report Abuse

Worldly wisdom
To be wise, one must also have experience, common sense and good judgement. How one actually applies these things in life is what makes a person wise.
CORRECT LOH MARGIN OF SAFETY INVESTMENT IS ALSO A COMMON SENSE WISE AND GOOD JUDGEMENT APPROACH LOH...!!
JUST IMAGINE U BOUGHT SOMETHING WITH INTRINSIC VALUE AT 30% AND SELL IT AT 90% OF ITS INTRINSIC VALUE,IS A STRONG FAILED SAFE INVESTMENT APPROACH INTRODUCE BY BEN GRAHAM MAH....!!

Posted by 3iii > Mar 20, 2019 06:56 PM | Report Abuse

Why not to invest into company gruesome?
ASK YOURSELF WHAT GRUESOME IS GRUESOME, IS IT BEYOND REPAIR OR IT IS GONE TO THE DRAINS OR IS IT REALLY MR MARKET FAIL TO VALUE THE BUSINESS PROPERLY AND UNFAIRLY ??
IN REAL LIFE, IT IS USUALLY THE LATTER, THAT MEANS OPPORTUNITY LOH..!!

It was a lousy business that was not worth putting any new capital into, because it would never generate more return on capital investment than alternative investments available to you.
JUST IMAGINE INSAS WITH EARNINGS YIELD OF 4.5% PA, BUT BCOS U PAY ONLY A THIRD OF ITS INTRINSIC VALUE, U GET AN EFFECTIVE EARNINGS YIELD OF 13% PA ON YOUR INVESTMENT MAH.
ON THE OTHERHAND QL IT HAS ROE OF 11.5% PA BUT U PAYS 50X FOR ITS EARNINGS U ONLY GET 2.2% EFFECTIVE RETURN ON QL LOH..!!
THE SAME STUPID SCENARIO WILL BE REPEATED IN NESTLE TOO LOH..!!

When you paid too much for a gruesome company or bought a gruesome company, it was a mistake.
TRUE BEN GRAHAM SAYS NEVER OVERPAY...IT APPLIES FOR ALL YOUR INVESTMENT & NOT ONLY GRUESOME COMPANY LOH...!!

Buying another gruesome company was also a big dollar mistake, especially when not making sure the business had a moat and being too focused on what you thought was an attractive purchase price. What you assessed as durable competitive advantage vanished within a few years.
RAIDER HAS GIVEN THE EXAMPLE OF INSAS, WHEN U BOUGHT AT EXCEPTIONAL LOW PRICE, IT HAS HUGE MARGIN OF SAFETY AND EARNINGS YIELD AND MAKING YOUR INVESTMENT HIGHLY SUPERIOR AND ATTRACTIVE LOH...!!

Posted by 3iii > Mar 20, 2019 09:24 PM | Report Abuse

It is hard to think on a long-term basis when you are just getting started or are starting over. MARGIN OF SAFETY INVESTMENT ARE LONG TERM INVESTMENT DESIGN TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FOLLY OF MR MARKET MAH..!!

Accumulating "the first $100,000 is a bitch." (Charlie Munger)
Not only is it not fun, it is a handicap to live on the edge of financial ruin. That is reason enough to work hard to assemble a basic financial cushion.
SINCE U BUY STOCK WITH HUGE MARGIN OF SAFETY, LIKE THE CASE OF INSAS WITH HUGE NET CASH..THERE IS NO LIVING IN THE EDGE OF THE FINANCIAL RUIN LOH...!! INSAS IS A GOOD TRUE FINEST COMPLETE VALUE INVESTMENT

In the long term, the power of compounding becomes ever more evident.
COMPOUNDING IS A SUPERB APPROACH....BUT INVEST BASED ON MARGIN OF SAFETY AT HUGE DISCOUNTED PRICE IS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE SUPERIOR INVESTMENT APPROACH LOH...!!

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-20 22:23 | Report Abuse

"Unsuccessful investors are dominated by emotion. Rather than responding coolly and rationally to market fluctuations, they respond emotionally with greed and fear."


Seth Klarman

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-20 23:24 | Report Abuse

Soros couldn't bear to see others make money in the technology sector without him , and he got killed.

- Charlie Munger, Berkshire Hathaway Annual Meeting, 2000.

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-21 09:12 | Report Abuse

raider has a very very big troll-ey indeed.

Capture his silly and emotional replies here for posterity.


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Posted by stockraider > Mar 20, 2019 10:02 PM | Report Abuse

ENOUGH LAH...THIS 3iii REPEATING SAME OLD RUBBISH NONSENSE LOH...!!

LET RAIDER REFUTE EVERY OF HIS ONE SIDED STUPID COMMENT LOH..!!

Posted by 3iii > Mar 20, 2019 06:47 PM | Report Abuse

Worldly wisdom
To be wise, one must also have experience, common sense and good judgement. How one actually applies these things in life is what makes a person wise.
CORRECT LOH MARGIN OF SAFETY INVESTMENT IS ALSO A COMMON SENSE WISE AND GOOD JUDGEMENT APPROACH LOH...!!
JUST IMAGINE U BOUGHT SOMETHING WITH INTRINSIC VALUE AT 30% AND SELL IT AT 90% OF ITS INTRINSIC VALUE,IS A STRONG FAILED SAFE INVESTMENT APPROACH INTRODUCE BY BEN GRAHAM MAH....!!

Posted by 3iii > Mar 20, 2019 06:56 PM | Report Abuse

Why not to invest into company gruesome?
ASK YOURSELF WHAT GRUESOME IS GRUESOME, IS IT BEYOND REPAIR OR IT IS GONE TO THE DRAINS OR IS IT REALLY MR MARKET FAIL TO VALUE THE BUSINESS PROPERLY AND UNFAIRLY ??
IN REAL LIFE, IT IS USUALLY THE LATTER, THAT MEANS OPPORTUNITY LOH..!!

It was a lousy business that was not worth putting any new capital into, because it would never generate more return on capital investment than alternative investments available to you.
JUST IMAGINE INSAS WITH EARNINGS YIELD OF 4.5% PA, BUT BCOS U PAY ONLY A THIRD OF ITS INTRINSIC VALUE, U GET AN EFFECTIVE EARNINGS YIELD OF 13% PA ON YOUR INVESTMENT MAH.
ON THE OTHERHAND QL IT HAS ROE OF 11.5% PA BUT U PAYS 50X FOR ITS EARNINGS U ONLY GET 2.2% EFFECTIVE RETURN ON QL LOH..!!
THE SAME STUPID SCENARIO WILL BE REPEATED IN NESTLE TOO LOH..!!

When you paid too much for a gruesome company or bought a gruesome company, it was a mistake.
TRUE BEN GRAHAM SAYS NEVER OVERPAY...IT APPLIES FOR ALL YOUR INVESTMENT & NOT ONLY GRUESOME COMPANY LOH...!!

Buying another gruesome company was also a big dollar mistake, especially when not making sure the business had a moat and being too focused on what you thought was an attractive purchase price. What you assessed as durable competitive advantage vanished within a few years.
RAIDER HAS GIVEN THE EXAMPLE OF INSAS, WHEN U BOUGHT AT EXCEPTIONAL LOW PRICE, IT HAS HUGE MARGIN OF SAFETY AND EARNINGS YIELD AND MAKING YOUR INVESTMENT HIGHLY SUPERIOR AND ATTRACTIVE LOH...!!

Posted by 3iii > Mar 20, 2019 09:24 PM | Report Abuse

It is hard to think on a long-term basis when you are just getting started or are starting over. MARGIN OF SAFETY INVESTMENT ARE LONG TERM INVESTMENT DESIGN TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FOLLY OF MR MARKET MAH..!!

Accumulating "the first $100,000 is a bitch." (Charlie Munger)
Not only is it not fun, it is a handicap to live on the edge of financial ruin. That is reason enough to work hard to assemble a basic financial cushion.
SINCE U BUY STOCK WITH HUGE MARGIN OF SAFETY, LIKE THE CASE OF INSAS WITH HUGE NET CASH..THERE IS NO LIVING IN THE EDGE OF THE FINANCIAL RUIN LOH...!! INSAS IS A GOOD TRUE FINEST COMPLETE VALUE INVESTMENT

In the long term, the power of compounding becomes ever more evident.
COMPOUNDING IS A SUPERB APPROACH....BUT INVEST BASED ON MARGIN OF SAFETY AT HUGE DISCOUNTED PRICE IS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE SUPERIOR INVESTMENT APPROACH LOH...!!
>>>>

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Posted by Icon8888 > 2019-03-21 10:06 | Report Abuse

self righteous and condescending rascal

Posted by qqq3 > 2019-03-21 10:07 | Report Abuse

rascal


Icon8888
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Posted by Icon8888 > Mar 21, 2019 10:06 AM | Report Abuse

self righteous and condescend
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I hope u refer to raider not 3iii

Posted by Icon8888 > 2019-03-21 10:08 | Report Abuse

it is 3iii

loud and clear

Posted by qqq3 > 2019-03-21 10:08 | Report Abuse

raider is every thing 3iii says he is.

Posted by qqq3 > 2019-03-21 10:14 | Report Abuse

3iii is low portfolio turnover guy......ok one.

not like raider polluting every where he goes hoping to talk his stocks up....and long winded to boot.

Posted by stockraider > 2019-03-21 10:15 |

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Posted by qqq3 > 2019-03-21 10:27 | Report Abuse

see who is the intruder?

see who is the one sharing his low turnover approach to the stock market.

see who is the one interested in pushing stocks so he can make fast money using the forum.?

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-21 10:28 |

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Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-21 10:31 | Report Abuse

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ASK YOUR SELF FROM 31-12-2018 UNTIL NOW WHAT TYPE OF BLUECHIP STOCK GAIN AT THE LIST BELOW CAN DELIVER TO U LEH ??

1. DLADY
2. NESTLE
3. PETDAG
4. TOPGLOVE
5. QL
6. HARTA

>>>>




raider is an "idiotic" genius. It is obvious.


Think long term.

How much have these stocks returned over the last 10 years?


Yes, I have all but 1 of these stocks.

Posted by qqq3 > 2019-03-21 10:36 | Report Abuse

making money by investments ( as opposed to speculations/ trading) is a very slow process.

Wan Azmi puts in $ 100 million into E & O with a 5 years perspective.


Investments are slow, too slow for forums but is correct. Nothing wrong is self righteous about it.

the other type are the fakes....the fake types like stock raider......these are bad also because they are fake, and it doesn't work.

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Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-21 11:24 | Report Abuse

raider has a huge problem.

Posted by 3iii > 2019-03-21 11:28 | Report Abuse

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpzAAXa2cvyEnfc7rurcCcQ

Subscribe to this website.

It is fun to watch his videos.

Thanks YAPSS for his hard work and diligence..

Posted by stockraider > 2019-03-21 11:40 |

Post removed.Why?

Posted by qqq3 > 2019-03-21 11:41 | Report Abuse

y stockraider > Mar 21, 2019 11:40 AM | Report Abuse

WHO IS THE PROBLEM LEH ??
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obviously it is raider who is the intruder and polluter.